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id Software: Always-on internet is "better for everybody"
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witchedwiz
Member
lolonothanks..
want me to skip rage as well?
be my guest!
want me to skip rage as well?
be my guest!
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Of course the attitudes will change. It is, after all, the future.
CozMick said:
This. This is the main reason why I HATE always on... If they can guarantee that my game will function in 10 years, I am all for it... but since they can't...
Also one of the main reason I don't buy movies or shows online. Who can say that in 10 years the provider I buy my license from is still in business
Para bailar La Bomba
Banned
EatChildren said:
DD will effectively kill DRM ... or will it?
Danne-Danger
Member
The thing about this though is that 90% of games aren't getting valuable content added post-release. I don't see any reason as to why that would change just because you force the players to always be online.
I'm sure that id, Valve and Blizzard can make it worth it for the player, I know that Ubisoft won't.
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
Just like $60 retail prices, and porting from consoles, I'm sure.
BruiserBear
Banned
He's right, if they create really cool things that you need to always be online to use.
Interfectum
Member
Zombie James
Banned
Unless your connection dies and you want to play a single-player game.
rollingstart
Banned
he's right in praising the concept
too bad isps, server maintenance, and other issues create too many problems. in a perfect world, internet would be solid as a rock and this wouldn't be a concern. but today, it is.
too bad isps, server maintenance, and other issues create too many problems. in a perfect world, internet would be solid as a rock and this wouldn't be a concern. but today, it is.
SneakyStephan
Banned
No thanks, if I can't bring my laptop around to places where I don't have wifi, can't play when my inet is down or when moving house or for any other INANE reason that should have no bearing on my pc functioning or not, I'll buy from someone who doesn't give me this problem.
My dvd player doesn't stop working when I don't have cable, same shit.
They are creating a problem and a bunch of what if's where there simply shouldn't be a problem, so FUCK OFF ID/ubi/EA.
We don't need extra strings attached to our purchases.
My dvd player doesn't stop working when I don't have cable, same shit.
They are creating a problem and a bunch of what if's where there simply shouldn't be a problem, so FUCK OFF ID/ubi/EA.
We don't need extra strings attached to our purchases.
Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
Crunched said:
but...but......but they would have to spend money to develop an offline upgrade to the engine that stores character data locally!!!
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
ISP's and users internet goes down for several reasons. This last week my ISP has been sporadic and I've been disconnected from online games. If the this DRM requires me to be on all the time then I can't support that.
MikeE21286
Member
I literally don't care at all about "always-on" one way or another.
I'm always on. The games that I've played that required always on (Assassins Creed II) have never had an issue for me that tied back to the requirement to be "always-on".
I'm always on. The games that I've played that required always on (Assassins Creed II) have never had an issue for me that tied back to the requirement to be "always-on".
It's a shame there's no service out there that provides the same functionality, while still allowing users to play offline if they wish.
legbone said:
Don't put too much faith into that. Ubisoft released a patch for the european version of Anno 1404 last December, and has refused to release it to other parts of the world, or on Steam.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Para bailar La Bomba said:
Possibly, but thats not really the point. The future is affordable, reliable, high speed, always connected and possibly wireless internet (the latter may come later). Networking technology and internet connections are only going to get more advanced and deep seated in human society, pending a apocalyptic technology crash.
Its a bit sucky now, but in the future near every game will have an always on network connection and you wont even notice.
SneakyStephan
Banned
legbone said:
Kids don't play with the soccer ball inside.
That's okay mom I'll clean it up if I knock something over.
Or just don't play with the fucking ball inside you know.
spandexmonkey
Banned
I wouldn't be so opposed to this if the games were free to play.
BlazingDarkness
Member
What a crock of shit.
Having an always connected mode is an excellent idea. As Willits points out, it makes for easier patching and if developers are looking for ways to improve their games after release, data about the player's experience (where they struggled, which areas were too easy, etc.) can be uploaded as well. I know a lot of players bristle at the thought of their player stats being uploaded to a developer, but many of the big gaming companies like Bungie and Valve already do that, and I feel the impact is generally positive.
But forcing a player to always be connected is a great way to limit your customer base and screw your fans in the process. There are many places that have poor or even non existent internet connections. Having an optional mode is great; having it mandatory is asinine.
But forcing a player to always be connected is a great way to limit your customer base and screw your fans in the process. There are many places that have poor or even non existent internet connections. Having an optional mode is great; having it mandatory is asinine.
Duxxy3
Member
EatChildren said:
Sure, but right now net connections suck (availability, pricing, network drops) and they are shoving always on single player down our throats. In 15 or 20 years when the entire country is blanked with cheap, wireless, internet nobody will care about always on. But right now it's a bad time.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I don't think iD is arguing for always-on DRM, they're arguing that if they could begin assuming that 100% of their users were connected, it would enhance their ability to develop their games. I agree.
Look at Minecraft; by being able to assume that 100% of his users are able to patch to the latest version and are active about checking for new versions, and by frequently iterating new versions (please back off early alpha complainers who want to remind me that Minecraft sold out and there are never patches anymore) Notch has been able to do the kind of development model that he wanted to do.
Look at Minecraft; by being able to assume that 100% of his users are able to patch to the latest version and are active about checking for new versions, and by frequently iterating new versions (please back off early alpha complainers who want to remind me that Minecraft sold out and there are never patches anymore) Notch has been able to do the kind of development model that he wanted to do.
While it would be ideal for everyone to have constant smooth access to the internet it's just not feasible at this stage. Until we can get perfect internet there will always be some problems. And that doesn't take care of all of the problems that can occur server-side like crashes and bugs. It's way too early for this kind of thing.
Randomizer
Member
I'm not a supporter of this by any means but if they take down servers it's no big deal you could just download a crack. Also make sure that when you go back online you have backed up your original files and removed the cracks so you don't get banned.
CrankyKong
Member
I'm travelling to visit relatives tomorrow through Saturday.
Usually I take games to preserve my sanity but an always on internet DRM would fuck me over big time.
...can't wait until this is standard.
Usually I take games to preserve my sanity but an always on internet DRM would fuck me over big time.
...can't wait until this is standard.
snoopeasystreet
Member
I don't really have a problem with it as long as the designers know that game is always online and can include things that wouldn't have been able to otherwise. When a mandatory internet connection is added in last minute, that's when it's bullshit.
That's what I thought too.Anilusion said:
Whoever honestly thinks that it's a good idea to take away the possibility to play offline, needs a kick in his head. Can they really not understand that some people can't be online at all times? What's with people who moved recently? There are a billion instances where people don't have access to the internet for one reason or another -- and normally exactly those instances are when you want to play a game the most, because you can't do anything else with your time.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Duxxy3 said:
I agree, but iD isn't doing it with RAGE, and may not do it with Doom 3 for all we know. They're simply stating that an always online system is in theory beneficial to the consumer and the developer. And they're right, and eventually this is how every game will work.