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Personal Finance Age - Rewards Credit Cards

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Wellington

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With discipline and patience, there is some serious value to be had with rewards CCs and I'm interested in which cards fellow GAFfers abuse use, lessons learned, and if you're happy with the rewards.

I signed up in early 2008 for the Citi Premier Pass Elite card because I was doing a lot of traveling and I wanted to nab the point per mile flown bonus to get free flights. I've been racking up pretty good point totals since then because I do travel 2-3 times per year and I also book travel for my family. Example, I booked a vacation for myself, my gf, and two other friends on my card and they reimbursed me for it, with the miles flown it became a boon of 12k points plus the cost of the tickets.

I was never really a big point accruer until a friend of mine started pointing out how he uses his discover card everywhere and racks up gift cards for damn near everything. The ThankYou Network wasn't as robust as it is now, so I just stocked up my points for flights and took a cheap vacation every year. The network also allows for converting points into giftcards at well known vendors such as Walmart, Foot Locker, and Loews as well as just flat out buying items with the points. I'm trying to build up points to be able to get a cheap iPad 3 for christmas with Best Buy gift cards. The GC values are set at $1 per 100 points, you can convert 10K points into $100 in increments of 2500 points. So I made a cool $100 just by booking the vacation I mentioned above and am well on the way to $125.

Lessons Learned/Rules to Follow:

1) If you are going to pay an annual fee make sure that the benefit you are getting from it is enough to cover the fee. For example I pay $75 a year for my card but I easily meet and exceed 7500 air miles per year all told.

2) DO NOT carry a balance and incur finance charges. What's the point of trying to earn the bonuses if you're paying $15 a month in interest? My system is that at the end of every week I pay what I charged. Make sure you're card is clean by the time your statement is due. Similarly *make sure your rewards card has a low interest rate* in case you do carry a balance.

3) Know the ins and outs of your cards bonus structure. There are so many different types of cards that offer so many different bonuses. Some cards offer year round multipliers of point totals for certain purchases, rotating multipliers on a seasonal basis, categorical bonuses, etc. It's your job to know what gives you maximum points to best take advantage.

4) Get the right card for you. Goes with the above, but if you don't travel often, don't get a card that gives you bonuses for traveling, as an example.

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What cards do you guys use and how do you take advantage? I've seen a lot of dudes on here with the Amazon rewards Visa, how has it been working out?

Attached are some good sites for those trying to jump into rewards cards:

NerdWallet - Automatically compares cards based on a short questionnaire and recommends the best fit for you.

CreditCards.com/Rewards Lists em all out along with benefits

Bankaholic - Breaks them up by category.
 
I mostly use my Hilton Honors AmEx which we save up points to get free nights at different hotels. We love to travel and it is sweet when you can get a free trip out of it. Sometimes I wish I could pay for everything on my CC (mortgage, car payments and life insurance are pretty much the only things we don't pay with the CC).

Even though we live in America there are still some places that don't take AmEx and in those rare circumstances we use a Chase Freedom card which gives us money back. I use the Chase a lot in the summer because they give 5% back on gas which is pretty decent considering gas prices these days.

To me the only downside to CCs is you don't feel the pain in spending a lot of money as you do when you hand over a huge wad of cash. I am naturally cheap though and good at math so I always have an idea of what our expenses are month to month.
 
I used to use and really like the Chase Freedom card I had. However when I got married my wife and I decided to just use one card and we went with hers. The rewards are fine and everything, but if you aren't paying off your balance they aren't helping you.

Amazon is now letting you pay with credit card rewards points, I'm super interested to see the fallout from this, if any. I generally just look at my rewards when I go on vacation for a flight or a rental car or whatever. Since we use the same credit card for absolutely everything we always have a f-ton of points.

bionic, we use Mint to track that stuff. As long as you take the time to set up budgets and alerts (and appropriately categorize your purchases) it is wonderful for tracking stuff.
 
eznark said:
Amazon is now letting you pay with credit card rewards points, I'm super interested to see the fallout from this, if any. I generally just look at my rewards when I go on vacation for a flight or a rental car or whatever. Since we use the same credit card for absolutely everything we always have a f-ton of points.

It's awesome. You don't have to wait for 2500 points to accumulate anymore.
 
I just got rid of my crappy US Bank visa card and am in the market for one of these as well. I've been looking at getting a Southwest Airlines Rapid Rewards visa since my fiance and I love to travel, and usually take at least 2 flights to various places every year on Southwest (cheapest flights out of St. Louis by far).

It has a relatively high interest rate: 14.24%
but if I pay it off every month that won't be an issue.

It also has a $69 annual fee which won't be an issue to me either if I get at least 1 round trip flight every year which I can do easily.
 
Citi Cash returns Card: No fees/expenses, 2% cash back for the first six months and 1% cash back, you get a check mailed to you whenever you accumulate about $50 worth of cash back.

Easy card to deal with, imo.
 
eznark said:
Amazon is now letting you pay with credit card rewards points, I'm super interested to see the fallout from this, if any.
Bah, this is what I hate about the ThankYou network, I can't redeem it in Amazon gift cards. I was going to get CVS giftcards and just use them to by corresponding Amazon value, but i was told I can't buy a GC with a GC at CVS.

If you have an iPhone (and I think Droids also have this functionality) you can scan items at Best Buy with the ThankYou network app and use your accumulated points to buy stuff in store. Pretty damned sweet if you ask me.

Dahellisdat: Check my first link in the OP. There are various SouthWest cards that would be worth your while.
 
CrankyJay said:
Amazon.com VISA rewards card.

That is all.

Yup. $1 = 1 point on everything and $1 = 3 points on Amazon and 2500 points = $25. Best reward rate I've seen.


CrankyJay said:
It's awesome. You don't have to wait for 2500 points to accumulate anymore.

I don't use it. You actually lose some reward points because of how they charge you.

Eg.

100 dollar order
-2500 points
--------
$75 charged to card = 225 points

other wise you would have gotten 300 points if you waited to do the statement credit.


ThankYou network has shitty ratios. Lucky to find anything near 1:1
 
I've always used cash back cards because I don't travel or shop at one specific place enough to justify focusing on a specific retailer.

I never keep a balance so I have no idea what my rates are, nor do I care because I only use them because they decrease the cost of everything I buy.

Schwab: 2% back on everything
Chase Freedom: 1% on everything, 5% on specific categories (currently gas, hotel, airline)
 
I have rewards on my Chase check card and recently just cashed them in on a Fender Stratocaster for my daughter. So awesome.
 
mike23 said:
Yup. $1 = 1 point on everything and $1 = 3 points on Amazon and 2500 points = $25. Best reward rate I've seen.




I don't use it. You actually lose some reward points because of how they charge you.

Eg.

100 dollar order
-2500 points
--------
$75 charged to card = 225 points

other wise you would have gotten 300 points if you waited to do the statement credit.


ThankYou network has shitty ratios. Lucky to find anything near 1:1

Interesting I didn't realize that.
 
mike23 said:
ThankYou network has shitty ratios. Lucky to find anything near 1:1
It's very shitty on just straight up cash back. It's 4000 points for $25 cash, highway robbery. That's why usually I just save up for either GCs that are $1 to 100 points (almost all of them are) or just get the flight - but I guess the flight isn't worth it. For the price of the tickets I get a ton of additional points to spend due to the mileage accrued, just like your amazon example above.

I'm a frugal bastard so I love gaming all of these rewards programs. I typically only fly with Delta or Jet Blue, so I stack either the true blue points or sky miles along with my thank you points. Or for example I have a Regal Crown Club membership which gives points per movies or concessions at Regal theatres and gives more movies and concessions. Use my thank you points on a $50 Regal gift card and build up my crown club points. It's like stealing.

Between slickdeals/fatwallet, groupon/living social, and rewards on a CC, if I'm paying full price for an item or not getting something back, I'm definitely going about it the wrong way.
 
Bumping for the night crowd and I don't give a crap!

I just signed up for the Citi Forward card that also gives Thank You points. Only difference is this gives 5x points for restaurants and entertainment such as movie tix and it gives 5x points on Amazon purchases. They all get dumped into the same account I had.
 
Does anyone think Discover is good?

I've got the Amazon Visa, Amex Zinc, and a Discover. I'm thinkin gof getting rid of the discover as that's too much spending spread out on 3 rewards cards. I'll never really rack up points like that.
 
Good thread. I need to get a credit card, so thanks for that NerdWallet link. I'll definitely have to consider all my options there, although the Amazon one certainly sounds the most appealing to me so far (without doing much research).
 
used to love cash rewards cards, but most of those have been terrible for years. I like the Starwood AmEx (best hotels and a decent redemption rate).

I really should look into getting an Amazon Visa. I shop there for pretty much everything.
 
I went the Discover Escape when I was looking for a rewards card after having Amex Blue Cash back for who knows how long. 2% back in form of flights, $60 annual fee. Reward system is flexible, the big thing is Discover isn't accepted everywhere, especially small businesses.

If I were to get another one, I would get the Capitol One Venture Rewards, since it is accepted everywhere and has no foreign transaction fee.
 
I also have the Amazon.com rewards card. It's basically 1% cash back on all purchases, 2% for groceries and gas and 3% for Amazon.com purchases. You get points but you can convert them to cash or use them at Amazon.com or buy other stuff with them. And no annual fee too. It's great.
 
Just got approved for a Capitol One Venture card the other day. 2 miles per dollar spent seems like a good deal, and you get 25,000 bonus miles for hitting an extremely modest charge rate in your first 3 months ($1000, I believe).

My wife and I plan on traveling much more in the coming years, so we're gonna put virtually every regular purchase on the card. I figure we can easily rack up 40,000 miles per year, and that's being extremely conservative. Apparently the miles are useable on every airline and there are no blackout dates, so we'll be using it to book trips to see family in Maine as well.

I'll post back here once I get the card and let everyone know how it is.
 
I've been using the Chase Freedom for a few years. The rewards used to be really good but now it's at 1% everything, 5% rotating quarterly categories. It's not bad but I'm looking for something better...
 
The Abominable Snowman said:
Is there a Shitty Credit and Credit Rebuilding-Age? I'd love to one day work myself up to getting one of those cards one day.

It depends WHY your credit is bad. Lack of credit? accounts in collections?

A lot of banks offer Secured cards where you deposit money, and they give you a credit card with that credit limit. No rewards or nothing, but with time and good payment history, you might qualify for a normal rewards card.

For credit repair, there are certain ways you can deal with past delinquencies. It all depends.
 
I am about to be booking a lot of flights so I signed up for the new United Explorer card. Gets me a checked bag for free on every United/Continental flight and also 25,000 miles for signing up. Plus 2 miles for every $1 spent on flights with United/Continental and 1 mile for every $1 spent on anything else. I am already sitting on about 43,000 miles so this should be fun.
 
I have one of those Citi MTV cards that gives 3X points with Amazon as well as other stuff, via ThankYou Network. However, I have to say that is mostly a pain in the ass. The gift cards are always for stores that I rarely shop at, and you often have to cash in $100 worth of points to get the 100pts = $1 rate.

It sounds like I should look into this Amazon card instead. How convenient is Chase? Can I set up a monthly auto-pay?
 
CrankyJay said:
Amazon.com VISA rewards card.

That is all.

Thanks to the Rewards Card and Prime...Amazon gets most of my business. I always feel like I am shopping in a foreign wonderland where the exchange rate of US Dollars to Amazon Dollars is always in my favor.
 
For Amazon, are you able to redeem points at any balance or do you have to hit a threshold? Can you use points to credit purchases from anywhere or just Amazon?

Chase Freedom you can redeem at any time for any purchase.
 
Wellington said:
Personal Finance Age
Good shit! Glad to see this actually happening. Let me know if you want any input; I'd be happy to help out if you're doing more of these threads. :)
 
Amtrak from Chase Bank; get 1 point for every purchase & double points w/ certain vendor purchases. Got this bc we travel to NYC alot from DC & driving is just damn expensive especially now that nyc raised alot of their tolls. Cost us close to $200 & 10 hrs of drive roundtrip to get to ny. Rail is faster, cheaper & so much less stressful especially w/ a child.

Still have Discover card that has a weak cash back program. May cancel soon for something better.
 
I have a fidelity investment rewards amex that gives a flat 2% cash back on every purchase everywhere. You can take it as straight cash, or world points and there is no rewards limit.

Basically the best rewards card there is unless you have one just for gas or groceries or flights or something where you can get higher cash back rates. I prefer not to have single purpose cards though, just the amex i use everywhere it is accepted and a backup visa for place where it isn't accepted.
 
Yamaha98 said:
Amtrak from Chase Bank; get 1 point for every purchase & double points w/ certain vendor purchases. Got this bc we travel to NYC alot from DC & driving is just damn expensive especially now that nyc raised alot of their tolls. Cost us close to $200 & 10 hrs of drive roundtrip to get to ny. Rail is faster, cheaper & so much less stressful especially w/ a child.

Still have Discover card that has a weak cash back program. May cancel soon for something better.
Yea this is why i'm really questioning if I need my Discover. As well as 2 other rewards cards.
 
I have the same card as you OP and I have a good amount of points. I have had it for 4 years I think. My dad actually got it when it first came out and raved about it to everyone. He said its the best card for flyers he has ever seen and still has ever seen.

Unfortunately I can't use it as much since I moved over seas and don't want to have to send money home for a c/c bill of groceries.

I still use it on my flights (travel every 1-2 months) and hotels though.

Great card and one of the best cards for racking up points if you are a frequent flyer.
 
The Abominable Snowman said:
Is there a Shitty Credit and Credit Rebuilding-Age? I'd love to one day work myself up to getting one of those cards one day.

Refer to Cyan's bible on credit scores: How Credit Scores Work

Yes, I do still refer to a topic from 7 years ago.

Synth_floyd said:
I also have the Amazon.com rewards card. It's basically 1% cash back on all purchases, 2% for groceries and gas and 3% for Amazon.com purchases. You get points but you can convert them to cash or use them at Amazon.com or buy other stuff with them. And no annual fee too. It's great.
I'm curious as to how much you guys spend on Amazon. I can't justify this card as viable because the bonuses wouldn't allow me to rack up big point totals. My goal is to have them pay me for using their service without changing any of my purchasing habits.

The 2x points for gas and groceries is pretty sweet, but whereas that would total 400 points for me per month in gas alone, I'm sure i can hit 1000 points per month with the Citi Forward card which gives 5x points for purchases at bars, restaurants, and fast food (Mint says I'm averaging around $250 a month there, but I'll be conservative). To each his own tho, I really hate that I can't get Amazon gift cards from the Thank You Network.

Just to echo what eznark said earlier, using Mint (or any similar service) in combination with your card site to track expenses is a good idea. Our goal as consumers is to make money off of these rewards programs living our normal lives. Take care to not incur interest charges and don't buy random unnecessary crap just for the points.

Cyan said:
Good shit! Glad to see this actually happening. Let me know if you want any input; I'd be happy to help out if you're doing more of these threads. :)

I wanted to do one mega-topic but it was too daunting. I was already working on maximizing my point totals so I figured why not share. You are the finance guru here, any input from you would be greatly appreciated.
 
I have 3 cards right now. My oldest is standard BoA rewards card that gives you 1 point per $1 spent. Crummy card but I've had it since 2006 and figured it'd be best to save it for emergencies.

My 2nd card is the Amazon Rewards Visa, as everyone has mentioned, it has drastically changed my buying habits. The majority of my purchases in a given month go to Amazon because of the 3 points per $1 spent and Prime shipping. Getting $25 back on my statement for 2500 points is the best reward points deal I've seen around.

Recently, because I became a Costco member I picked up an AMex Blue Cash Preferred card. It costs $75 annually, but I get 6% cash back on groceries, 3% cash back on department stores and gas and 1% on everything else. With the way my spending habits are right now, I easily make back the $75 in cash back before the year is out. That and having the extra protection of an AMex card on big ticket items and rentals is always a plus
 
For the Amazon Visa card, it would be more worthwhile to redeem the points for credit to use towards your balance. If you're using the points to reduce the price of something at checkout, you lose the 3% on that portion of the price.
 
iamblades said:
I have a fidelity investment rewards amex that gives a flat 2% cash back on every purchase everywhere. You can take it as straight cash, or world points and there is no rewards limit.

Yep, unless you're juggling cards for categories, this is the absolute best reward card available.
 
<3 Amazon card. It was my second credit card and I use it for 99% of my purchases. If there was an easier way to pay for my rent using that card, I'd be all over it.
 
to kinda crossover threads here: being nearly 7 years out of bankruptcy (no late payments, zero balance as of a month or two from now across the board), do i have any chance at any of these? amazon rejected me earlier this year, but i had way too high revolving debt at the time.
 
I have two Chase Rewards cards. One is for the general rewards program, one is the for the Amazon rewards program. After getting the latter, I don't really use the former (which I signed up for basically just because of the immediate $100 cash back).

These sorts of rewards programs are nearly worthless because of how much you have to spend in order to build up rewards points. Then again, considering that there are options for double and triple points (particularly, triple points for Amazon purchases) it's not always bad and you can never complain about free money.

Basically, I just do a ton of spending on my Amazon Rewards card and then pay it off immediately like I usually do with credit when I have my checking account loaded. Only when I'm broke do I just put as much as possible on the card and do minimum payments.

Since I always have the money to pay off the card, I use the card basically like debit. This way I'm confident that I'm not going beyond my means and I know that I'm getting rewards points for my purchases. There's really no reason to not have a credit card with some sort of rewards program attached to it. As of right now I'm pre-ordering Zelda: Skyward Sword on Amazon and anything I buy with the card is going directly to purchasing that game so it'll be 10-15 dollars less than full price by the time the game ships. Again, can't complain even though the points-per-dollar-spent ratio is tiny.
 
Reposting this from the other thread:

I just signed up for an American Express Delta Skymiles Gold credit card. 25,000 bonus miles with first spend. $95 annual fee, waived for the first year. Received the 25,000 bonus miles, putting my mileage balance at about 60,000. What do I do next? Redeem those 60,000 miles for $500 in Amex gift cards. The sign up bonus contributed to $200 out of the $500 -- so I come out ahead for two years' worth of annual fees, assuming I can't eliminate the annual fee or earn even more rewards down the line for year 4. The catch? You NEED the credit card to be able to redeem your Delta miles for Amex gift cards at the preferred rate (11,000 to $100). I fly all the time for work and leisure, so keeping the credit card, even if I never use it, puts me ahead, regardless of the annual fee. This is what I mean when I say "gives me the advantage." The insurance and warranty perks are just another bonus.
 
Do you need any credit history to successfully get an Amazon rewards card? I only ask because I know cards and their applications can be categorized by how much credit history you have and I have absolutely no history. Also are there any negatives in applying and then getting rejected?
 
I use Discover and the points have been great so far.
You should add to the FAQ that point accrual can be instant, monthly, biannual , or annually depending on the bank that issued the card.

The only thing I don't pay with my credit card is the rent.
 
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