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AllThingsD: 7 Questions for Sonys Jack Tretton, Following the PlayStation 4 Event

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AllThingsD sat down with Jack Tretton, the president and CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment of America, to discuss the future of the gaming console — as well as why Sony didn’t show theirs last night — and Sony’s strategy of “doubling down” on its hardcore gaming audience.


I think it was Sony’s Andrew House who said right off the bat that the living room is no longer the focal point of gaming. Can you further explain this idea and how it relates to the future of the console?

My interpretation is that the living room used to be the only place that gaming lived. Now it’s the primary place, but it’s not the exclusive place. So I still think that sitting on the couch in front of the TV with a powerful console like PlayStation is the nerve center of the experience, but it doesn’t end there — it extends out into the world, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, on smartphones and tablets and dedicated devices like Vita. It’s a little bit scary if you’re a core gamer, because you feel like if you go to sleep, you might miss something.

A good portion of tonight’s event was on game titles, not as much on cloud streaming, mobile or entertainment. Is Sony PlayStation doubling down on its position with hard-core gamers?

Well, I think the console has evolved beyond strictly gaming devices. People expect multimedia capabilities, and that’s certainly a given. But what we’re all about, in our DNA, is the gaming and the gamers. You buy [PlayStation] because you’re a gamer and you enjoy playing games, and you use it for other purposes, but we’re first and foremost about that core gamer that eats sleeps and drinks the gaming.
I think there are more gamers today than there have been ever before, and the core is really strong, and loyal.

But at the same time, at least in the U.S. market, Microsoft has had the best-selling console for many months in a row now, and they’ve taken a media-heavy approach. What’s your thought on their strategy?

We look at the market in worldwide terms, and every market is extremely important to us. The facts are, we debuted the PlayStation 3 at $599, which was an extremely steep price barrier for a lot of consumers. And we debuted a year after Microsoft, but on a worldwide basis, we’ve sold the same, if not more, devices. I think we’re at 77 million sold right now — it’s basically splitting hairs. Despite all that, our message has been extremely well-received around the world.
Plus, if you look at multimedia services, we’re the No. 1 streaming device when it comes to Netflix, not Xbox. They’re trying to — I don’t really know what they’re trying to do. I’d rather not comment on their strategy. But we’re trying to say we’re all about the gamers and, by the way, there’s multimedia out there. I think the people who tuned in to see this live streaming event, from all around the world, were watching to see the gaming.

Will the new console cost $599 to start?

I certainly hope not. I think we’re very proud of what we delivered with the PlayStation 3 in terms of technology, and that we were able to enhance the features while still reducing the price to $249. But I think our goal with this is to debut at a more consumer-friendly price. But we havent made any final decisions about what the price will be at launch.

Why didn’t we see the new console today?

I guess when I think about the console, you open it up, you look at it, you certainly look at it when you insert a disc, but for most people, it’s behind a cabinet or on a shelf somewhere and you spend all your time looking at the screen. And we wanted to show people the screen. There will be multiple opportunities to share the look of the console between now and the launch. We just didn’t choose this first event as the time to show it.

But is it ready?

I mean, we’re certainly capable of showing playable game content, but we don’t have a mass-production box that we can bring out and pull out. That’s still in development in terms of final specs and design.


It wasn’t a big surprise today that there were some cloud-gaming announcements, given Sony’s acquisition of Gaikai. But cloud gaming, especially when it comes to graphics-heavy stuff, can suffer some technical difficulties. How does Sony plan to manage that?

I think that all credit goes to Gaikai, and all credit goes to Sony for recognizing the strength of Gaikai and acquiring them. We’ve cerainly had cloud storage, but Gaikai seemed to be well ahead of anybody else that we saw, and were doing things we didn’t think were possible. So I think the acquisition allows us to do things that are more in line with consumer expectations; allow them to play the games they expect.

And PS4 can play those games. I’ve certainly seen it done that every game we’ve ever published, up through PS3, is playable with no latency. I don’t know if we’re saying we’re at that stage yet, but we think we can get there in the near term.
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He completely dodges the matter of the PS4 having no physical presence at the event. No doubt he was required to be as cagey as possible, but I don't see the harm in simply admitting that the enclosure is yet to be finalised.

Edit: Never mind!
 
And where are the services? All the supercharged this, and gigabytes that, is nice. But this just looks like a higher rez PS3. I.e. what the wiiu is to the wii, but even to a lesser extent.

PS 3.5 confirmed.
 
Why didn’t we see the new console today?

I guess when I think about the console, you open it up, you look at it, you certainly look at it when you insert a disc, but for most people, it’s behind a cabinet or on a shelf somewhere and you spend all your time looking at the screen. And we wanted to show people the screen. There will be multiple opportunities to share the look of the console between now and the launch. We just didn’t choose this first event as the time to show it.

This is the same reasoning Nintendo used for the Wii U, and (along with other reasons) caused a stir/confusion. I'm seeing the exact same reaction to the PS4 in more mainstream articles: "Hurrrr where's the actual console guys!?"

I can't believe Sony made the same mistake and I hope Microsoft learns from this. People want to see the console when you announce a new console. Even if the hardware isn't finalized yet, just show off a prototype, anything. Have a box there, release screenshots of it, acknowledge its existence, and change it later if you have to.
 
He completely dodges the matter of the PS4 having no physical presence at the event. No doubt he was required to be as cagey as possible, but I don't see the harm in simply admitting that the enclosure is yet to be finalised.

he literaly says: it is not ready
I mean, we’re certainly capable of showing playable game content, but we don’t have a mass-production box that we can bring out and pull out. That’s still in development in terms of final specs and design.
 
He completely dodges the matter of the PS4 having no physical presence at the event. No doubt he was required to be as cagey as possible, but I don't see the harm in simply admitting that the enclosure is yet to be finalised.
He kinda did.

but we don’t have a mass-production box that we can bring out and pull out. That’s still in development in terms of final specs and design.
 
Only the most impatient care that PS4 had no physical presence. Do they think Sony is covering up that it does not exist or something? Of course we are going to eventually see it.

And they need to save some reveals to keep the hype up for the rest of the year. There is nothing wrong with staging a little drama and hype
 
Will the new console cost $599 to start?

I certainly hope not. I think we’re very proud of what we delivered with the PlayStation 3 in terms of technology, and that we were able to enhance the features while still reducing the price to $249. But I think our goal with this is to debut at a more consumer-friendly price. But we havent made any final decisions about what the price will be at launch.

Perfect. I expect $400-$500.
 
Only the most impatient care that PS4 had no physical presence. Do they think Sony is covering up that it does not exist or something? Of course we are going to eventually see it.

It's mainly the tech sites that thrive off of pretty looking physical hardware devices they can play with, crack open and show screenshots of. Without that the PS4 is nothing to them.
 
This is the same reasoning Nintendo used for the Wii U, and (along with other reasons) caused a stir/confusion. I'm seeing the exact same reaction to the PS4 in more mainstream articles: "Hurrrr where's the actual console guys!?"

I can't believe Sony made the same mistake and I hope Microsoft learns from this. People want to see the console when you announce a new console. Even if the hardware isn't finalized yet, just show off a prototype, anything. Have a box there, release screenshots of it, acknowledge its existence.
Honestly, I think it's more of a carrot on a stick for their E3 show than the box not being relevant

Sony loves their hardware designs, they will be proudly showing it off in a few months.
 
Will the new console cost $599 to start?

I certainly hope not. I think we’re very proud of what we delivered with the PlayStation 3 in terms of technology, and that we were able to enhance the features while still reducing the price to $249. But I think our goal with this is to debut at a more consumer-friendly price. But we havent made any final decisions about what the price will be at launch.

Good answer.
 
This is the same reasoning Nintendo used for the Wii U, and (along with other reasons) caused a stir/confusion. I'm seeing the exact same reaction to the PS4 in more mainstream articles: "Hurrrr where's the actual console guys!?"

I can't believe Sony made the same mistake and I hope Microsoft learns from this. People want to see the console when you announce a new console. Even if the hardware isn't finalized yet, just show off a prototype, anything. Have a box there, release screenshots of it, acknowledge its existence, and change it later if you have to.

Is there anyone that thinks that the PS4 is a controller? I sure haven't seen them. Yes, people are disappointed that the console wasn't shown. But i'm not seeing people that think that the new PS4 is just a controller that they can attach to the PS3. That was and still is Nintendo's problem.
 
The title is definitely appropriate. It's a good thing the article wasn't entitled '7 Answers', because he sure as shit did his best to not answer anything.
 
He completely dodges the matter of the PS4 having no physical presence at the event. No doubt he was required to be as cagey as possible, but I don't see the harm in simply admitting that the enclosure is yet to be finalised.

How did he dodge it? He very clearly said that the final design of the system is not done yet.
 
And where are the services? All the supercharged this, and gigabytes that, is nice. But this just looks like a higher rez PS3. I.e. what the wiiu is to the wii, but even to a lesser extent.

PS 3.5 confirmed.

I'm quoting this so you can re-read it and feel ashamed at the ignorance on display here.
 
Is there anyone that thinks that the PS4 is a controller? I sure haven't seen them. Yes, people are disappointed that the console wasn't shown. But i'm not seeing people that think that the new PS4 is just a controller that they can attach to the PS3. That was and still is Nintendo's problem.

The reason the WiiU caused confusion was because thanks to the name, it wasn't clear if it was a new console or just a Wii add-on. Nobody is confused about the PS4 being the successor to the PS3.

That's not the point, that's too specific to Nintendo's case. People in the media are asking: "where's the console?" during a new console announcement, the same question asked during the Wii U launch. Sony and Nintendo both wanted to focus on the UE instead of the hardware. While the UE for the PS4 and the Wii U are very different like you say, it's the same mistake being made.
 
This is the same reasoning Nintendo used for the Wii U, and (along with other reasons) caused a stir/confusion. I'm seeing the exact same reaction to the PS4 in more mainstream articles: "Hurrrr where's the actual console guys!?"

I can't believe Sony made the same mistake and I hope Microsoft learns from this. People want to see the console when you announce a new console. Even if the hardware isn't finalized yet, just show off a prototype, anything. Have a box there, release screenshots of it, acknowledge its existence, and change it later if you have to.

The reason the WiiU caused confusion was because thanks to the name, it wasn't clear if it was a new console or just a Wii add-on. Nobody is confused about the PS4 being the successor to the PS3.
 
He completely dodges the matter of the PS4 having no physical presence at the event. No doubt he was required to be as cagey as possible, but I don't see the harm in simply admitting that the enclosure is yet to be finalised.

Um.

Jack Tretton said:
we don’t have a mass-production box that we can bring out and pull out. That’s still in development in terms of final specs and design.

It's obvious that the design is still in development considering they freakin' doubled their RAM at, apparently, the 11th hour.
 
People in the media are saying "where's the console?" during a new console launch, the same question asked during the Wii U launch.

But it isn't the same. The issue with the Wii U is that people literally thought that it was just a controller that you connected to your Wii. It's something that Nintendo still hasn't been able to shake. What you're describing is just disappointment about not seeing the hardware. That's a big difference from believing that they're releasing an add on for their existing console.
 
People want to have an idea what it will look like, so you can imagine what it looks like under your tv, and hopefully not on top of a sub woofer
 
Tretton about Microsoft:
They’re trying to — I don’t really know what they’re trying to do. I’d rather not comment on their strategy. But we’re trying to say we’re all about the gamers and, by the way, there’s multimedia out there. I think the people who tuned in to see this live streaming event, from all around the world, were watching to see the gaming.

This is golden, I don't even think MS knows what they are going for with its next console, I hope MS announces something more concrete soon.
 
But it isn't the same. The issue with the Wii U is that people literally thought that it was just a controller that you connected to your Wii. It's something that Nintendo still hasn't been able to shake. What you're describing is just disappointment about not seeing the hardware. That's a big difference from believing that they're releasing an add on for their existing console.

The result was different (in both cases negative), but the mistake made came from the same philosophy Jack laid out: show the UE, not the hardware. We've now seen twice that doing that is not a good idea.
 
Yes, yes, I know:

Sorry lol, was a bit late with that response. I am glad he just came out and said it though. Surprised that the media seems so concerned but I guess they don't understand yet that there are going to be a billion other public events at which Sony can debut the hardware once it's finalized.

And yeah I do love his comment about Microsoft's strategy. From the rumours it sounds like they're not taking much of a risk...but I wouldn't count them out at all just yet. Eager to see what they're going to debut. If the New Xbox is just an extension of the Xbox 360's media center philosophy, then it's not for me.
 
Uh huh supercharged this and gigabytes that

This PS4 ain't gonna sell like this in the mass market. The avarage man on the street won't appreciate a bump in resolution, heck ask any non hardcore gamer to spot the difference between crysis3 on console vs high end pc and you may get a reluctant "yeah, maybe, i guess"

The rest of the features are a simple baseline people are accustomed to with their iPhone's. nothing earth shattering.

A cheap Ps3, a bargain bin full of used games, Vs a relatively high priced Ps4 with a handful of titles and inability to play older games. Gakai? Come now. What's in it to the non hardcore mass market type?
 
I thought the bigger issue with Wii U was the name. I don't see how the consumer will confuse PS4 for a PS3 add-on when Sony has a long history of using this naming scheme. If the final system was called PS Orbis, I would understand.
 
Those were acceptable answers. Sony has put themselves in a position to garner tremendous attention at E3 this year. The fact that they didn't reveal the look of PS4 coupled with the games that are guaranteed to be announced will steal thunder away from MS E3 conference. The price will also be the star as well. I very interested in that and Mr. Trentton's response was very reassuring. They don't want to price themselves out of the game and I think they'll launch at or around $400.00 and have a single sku.

The Gaikai acquisition was a smart buy and very perceptive of Sony and hopefully their strategy pans out. Hopefully there is a way that all of a person's purchases on PS3/PSN will carried over or recognized this way they don't have to double dip and the games can just be streamed/downloaded free of charge. The same would be true of physical PS3 games. Initially I felt this was a mistake of not having native BC but now that I think on it, I only played FFXII on my PS3 and nothing else and with so many games releasing and my growing PS3 backlog, I didn't have time or was no longer interested in playing games from PS2's gen. I think the same will apply here for most gamers.
 
The result was different (in both cases negative), but the mistake made came from the same philosophy Jack laid out: show the UE, not the hardware. We've now seen twice that doing that is not a good idea.

But that'll all go away at E3 when it's likely that we'll see the final unit. That's how easy it is for them to "fix" this problem. That's why it really isn't comparable to Nintendo's situation. We've seen the hardware and that still didn't stop people from thinking that the Gamepad was just an add on for the Wii. The name Nintendo went with is a far bigger issue. PS4 immediately lets you know that this is the sequel to the PS3.
 
Sorry lol, was a bit late with that response.

No worries. :)

And yeah I do love his comment about Microsoft's strategy. From the rumours it sounds like they're not taking much of a risk...but I wouldn't count them out at all just yet. Eager to see what they're going to debut. If the New Xbox is just an extension of the Xbox 360's media center philosophy, then it's not for me.

It's interesting that Edge's most recent rumour spill for the PS4 was very close to being spot on, which carries with it the possibility the same is true of its Nextbox rumours; although I wouldn't be surprised if the always-online requirement and blocking of used games were out as a result of the PS4 sporting neither.
 
This is golden, I don't even think MS knows what they are going for with its next console, I hope MS announces something more concrete soon.

Of course they know. They've had their plan for probably years and they're sticking to it. Do you honestly think the company that just beat the hell out of Sony in America has no plan for what they're going to do next?
 
Bit sobering that we live in a world where a ceo declaring that the new game machine will focus on gaming is such welcome news, and that $599 isn't consumer friendly. Progress!

Sorry mate, I'm able to step outside of my "gaming is my primary source of visual entertainment" shoes and view it as the majority of the world would see it.

And how is that exactly?
 
"I certainly hope not" to the price question is what I wanted to hear. Its not a flat out "no" but its something.

It's as close to being definitive without strictly saying it won't be X, which is the best he can do publicly for us, I imagine.
 
This is the same reasoning Nintendo used for the Wii U, and (along with other reasons) caused a stir/confusion. I'm seeing the exact same reaction to the PS4 in more mainstream articles: "Hurrrr where's the actual console guys!?"

I can't believe Sony made the same mistake and I hope Microsoft learns from this. People want to see the console when you announce a new console. Even if the hardware isn't finalized yet, just show off a prototype, anything. Have a box there, release screenshots of it, acknowledge its existence, and change it later if you have to.

It isn't the same mistake. Nintendo chose to focus entirely on the Gamepad. The gamepad was shown to be doing everything, including outputting the games. To anybody not in the know, I expect it wasn't particularly clear that they were looking at an accessory to a new console. Couple that with the poor choice of name and Nintendo were their own worst enemy for that reveal.

Sony made it clear from the start with the name that this was something new. No they didn't show the box, but they didn't drive everybody's attention to any other hardware - conventional or otherwise. We saw a glimpse of the DS4, but it wasn't heavily dwelled upon. What we saw was a huge screen full of state of the art visuals. It is easy for anybody to assume that there is a black box somewhere driving those images.

Seeing the box yesterday wasn't important, media outlets claiming otherwise, a year in advance of release, are just trying to attract a bit of attention.
 
Of course they know. They've had their plan for probably years and they're sticking to it. Do you honestly think the company that just beat the hell out of Sony in America has no plan for what they're going to do next?

I don't know man, they might have a plan, but if the plan is what all rumours are saying (focusing more on entertainment and media hub than games) then it is kind of reassuring to hear Tretton saying PS4 is all about games.

Bit sobering that we live in a world where a ceo declaring that the new game machine will focus on gaming is such welcome news, and that $599 isn't consumer friendly. Progress!

it;s like SONY actually listened, they actually listened.
 
Same mistake as WiiU? Please... until now, we don't really now much about console specs and when Nintendo announced their console, didn't say a shit about that. Sony, however, not only showed games, the controller and their new cloud service... we know by now some great things about the hardware, as the crazy 8 gddr 5 ram... great job, Sony... haters gonna hate...
 
Good answers all around.

His pricing comment gives hope for a reasonable price, Sony doing everything right with the console so far.

And there is simply no comparison to the unveiling of the WiiU. The conference screamed new console.
 
This PS4 ain't gonna sell like this in the mass market. The avarage man on the street won't appreciate a bump in resolution, heck ask any non hardcore gamer to spot the difference between crysis3 on console vs high end pc and you may get a reluctant "yeah, maybe, i guess"

The rest of the features are a simple baseline people are accustomed to with their iPhone's. nothing earth shattering.

A cheap Ps3, a bargain bin full of used games, Vs a relatively high priced Ps4 with a handful of titles and inability to play older games. Gakai? Come now. What's in it to the non hardcore mass market type?


LOL what the hell else do you expect a console to do? Rub your head and serve you warm milk at night?
 
It wasn’t a big surprise today that there were some cloud-gaming announcements, given Sony’s acquisition of Gaikai. But cloud gaming, especially when it comes to graphics-heavy stuff, can suffer some technical difficulties. How does Sony plan to manage that?

I think that all credit goes to Gaikai, and all credit goes to Sony for recognizing the strength of Gaikai and acquiring them. We’ve cerainly had cloud storage, but Gaikai seemed to be well ahead of anybody else that we saw, and were doing things we didn’t think were possible. So I think the acquisition allows us to do things that are more in line with consumer expectations; allow them to play the games they expect.

And PS4 can play those games. I’ve certainly seen it done that every game we’ve ever published, up through PS3, is playable with no latency. I don’t know if we’re saying we’re at that stage yet, but we think we can get there in the near term.

The Gaikai stuff sounds pretty far along, wonder if we'll hear more about this at E3.

Good questions and answers though.
 
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