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Is the PS4 another case of Sony playing catchup with Microsoft?

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Iknos

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Was discussing this with some buddies some who are in the industry a few months ago.

The discussion came up again after the PS4 reveal.

The kicker was the new controller...but it started years ago when Microsoft came up with standard hard drives with every console.

Then Xbox Live Arcade on the first Xbox...Sony had to catch up on the PS3 and offer the same.

Then built in internet connectivity. So we saw those in the PS3.

Then with the 360 we saw Achievements. Sony had to play catchup and come up with Trophies.

The whole downloading while the console is off...Sony had to catch up and add that.

MS made their online store accessible on PCs so you can buy stuff from your computer. Sony then did it too after a few years I think.

MS packed in headsets with every console because they thought it was important for online play. Now PS4 will have built-in mics on the controllers...obviously they agree with MS. Hoping its for voice commands too.

For the past year there were rumors that you could record gameplay on the new Xbox and how you can on the PS4 too. Only 15 minutes of it but Sony saw the value in that idea.

Rumors of playing Xbox games on your tablets and other devices...we're seeing that on the PS4.

MS came up with Kinect and its rumored to come with every nextgen Xbox...now we're seeing something very very similar for the PS4 built into every PS4.

You can control your Xbox with tablets and phones...surprise-surprise you can do it now on the PS4.

Indies could make cheap games and sell them for a dollar on the Xbox. Now you can on the PS4 too.

On the 360 you can talk to people even if they're playing different games and now you can on the PS4.

The analog sticks look ridged like the 360 controller.

Triggers look like actual triggers. MS wasn't the first but Sony should have copied the Sega Saturn as saw it as the way to go when MS did. Sony finally caught up there.

Sony didn't say it but the PS4 will probably have voice control.

MS has done their fair share of copying...their controller is like the Dreamcasts and Avatars are Nintendo Miis. MS from Nintendo. Nintendo from Sony. Happens every which way. The thing is MS have done a lot more leading of Sony than playing catchup. MS needs to play catchup to Sony in some ways too. Built in batteries in controllers anyone? Support for common USB controllers like racing wheels...I can think of a few things.

Point is that Sony obviously sees value in what MS is doing for the most part and is catching up constantly.

Don't get me wrong we all agree that Sony has a history of making hardware that pushes technology and makes gaming better that way. PSX and PS2 were some of the best machines out there and have sold hundreds of millions of units because they let developers create these worlds with their graphics hardware.

Then you have MS who seems to be the one that makes the best software for that hardware. They have really made console online gaming very convenient when compared to PC gaming ten years ago. All of these features I listed are MS initiatives that has changed gaming forever. Hate it myself but "Gamerscore" is something that is relevant because of their vision. Cross game chat is beautiful. Where Sony has the engineers to make great hardware MS has the right vision for all the features.


So the PS4 really just seems to be catching up to the Xbox and the rumored Nextbox features that came out a while ago. Its a good thing...obviously. But at the same time why do we need 2 machines that do pretty much the same thing?
 
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PS4 hype is through the roof. Don't give two shits about MS this coming gen unless they give me a reason to.
 
Good Lord OP, those are some major leaps of assumption going on in that post. Also, judging by the way you worded most of it, it's pretty obvious to see what angle you are coming from. The answer?


No.
 
I stopped right there.

I don't think you and some others realize this the first Xbox came with an 8Gb hard drive in every machine.

So you're saying that Sony would have still included the hard drive if the Xbox didn't exist?
 
Competition with MS has caused Sony to improve quite a lot. We've yet to see what MS has actually implemented with their console though.

With the improved specs of the PS4, what they've shown so far, it's not hard to imagine that Sony have MS beat in all regards. Especially if it's mostly free as well. You can see Sony do make an active effort to improve.
 
A few of them are 'the next Xbox was rumoured to be doing this, the PS4 is doing it' and then accusing Sony of copying MS because of it :s

I don;t think that's how console design works
 
The kicker was the new controller...but it started years ago when Microsoft came up with standard hard drives with every console.
And then MS promptly dropped that standard this generation which led to a lot of headache for developers..

The whole downloading while the console is off...Sony had to catch up and add that.
The 360 doesn't do that.

For the past year there were rumors that you could record gameplay on the new Xbox and how you can on the PS4 too. Only 15 minutes of it but Sony saw the value in that idea.
You think Sony heard these rumors and then thought oh shit we better copy what is rumored instead of independently coming to the very hard to reach conclusion that people share stuff on the Internet.

MS came up with Kinect and its rumored to come with every nextgen Xbox...now we're seeing something very very similar for the PS4 built into every PS4.
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Your post seems like you had a conclusion and then just took anything you could think of as proof that MS is innovating and Sony is copying.

MS deserves credits for these things which had quite an impact: Achievements, Xbox Live, good certification and requirements for basic functionality of games.
 
Half of them seem to be 'the next Xbox was rumoured to be doing this, the PS4 is doing it' and then accusing Sony of copying MS because of it :s

Was just about to post this as well. Xbox rumored to have something, PS4 announced to have it - how is that catch up again?

Plus if Sony really wanted to play catch up they would start charging fees for services that are free everywhere else.

Also, isn't OP the person who was in the GT and Forza who was a huge Forza fluffer and a huge GT basher? I mean it's fine to post fanboy threads, but don't try to pose it as "Oh my friend and I were just having this totally objective discussion about so and so."
 
I don't think you and some others realize this the first Xbox came with an 8Gb hard drive in every machine.

So you're saying that Sony would have still included the hard drive if the Xbox didn't exist?

And, now, what about the 360? Did they get hit in the head and not include standard harddrives?

Let me give you a history lesson about internal hdd/memory. The first console to have it was the PC Engine.
 
When you choose to look at things through the lens of What has x company copied from y company, you are findings are going to be skewed. Most of the similarities between the consoles come from both companies reacting to the same market, not each other. For instance do you think it is more common that Sony is copying Xbox's Indie program or that they are reacting to a world chock full of .99 iOS and Android games?

There are, of course, cases of consoles lifting from each other, but the pattern you are trying to create simply isn't there.
 
So you're saying that Sony would have still included the hard drive if the Xbox didn't exist?

It's like people forgot this existed:


Sony was taking steps heading in that direction even before Xbox "standardized" it as you say. Also the PS2 HDD was released in June of 2001 while Xbox came out in November 2001 showing that PS2 actually pre-dated Xbox with consoles being able to have a HDD in it.
 
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