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The Verge - Microsoft learns nothing from Google TV's mistakes
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maverick40
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This day has been sensational, I love you Microsoft!
Anticitizen One
Banned
Article should have been "Microsoft learns nothing from Playstation 3's mistakes"
Chezzymann
Member
I'm not sure who microsoft is competing with now, sony and nintendo or google and apple?
At this point, the pre reveal doom and gloom was more tolerable. This is just a shit storm that has no end in sight. Regardless of what games Microsoft brings out to E3, there is still so many dumb fuck decisions here that you can't help but laugh at this effort. 3rd console curse yo.
The IR stuff is a non issue to me. It works well enough. The question about DVR is valid, but it's just that. A question. We don't know yet if DVR won't be integrated to the proper level. Google TV wasn't if you had Comcast, but if you had Dish Network it was, because they partnered with them. We don't know who they will partner with to get access to that DVR data. Maybe there will be enough for it to be success for most people. Get DirecTV, Time Warner, Comcast, and Cox and you are pretty much set in the US No? It's certainly an important issue though that Microsoft has to solve if they want this to be an actual all in one box. That being said the user seeing the cable box isn't the worst thing in the world.
EDIT: For anyone unaware the reason the DVR stuff is important is so Microsoft can integrate your DVR programs into their own interface instead of forcing you to see the cable box interface. HDMI passthrough can't solve this alone. All the data they get for the Guide comes from a library provided cable companies that I believe anyone can get access too, and the channel changing occurs through IR (like a Harmony remote).
EDIT: For anyone unaware the reason the DVR stuff is important is so Microsoft can integrate your DVR programs into their own interface instead of forcing you to see the cable box interface. HDMI passthrough can't solve this alone. All the data they get for the Guide comes from a library provided cable companies that I believe anyone can get access too, and the channel changing occurs through IR (like a Harmony remote).
smokeandmirrors
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Yes.
Demoncarnotaur
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Why the fuck didn't they just launch "Xbox TV" and "Nextbox" separately, letting them each excel at their own purposes (Games VS "Entertainment)? Then, in about a year combine the two to make "Xbox One".
Why the fuck didn't they just launch "Xbox TV" and "Nextbox" separately, letting them each excel at their own purposes (Games VS "Entertainment)? Then, in about a year combine the two to make "Xbox One".
BlazingDarkness
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I didn't realise how limited the Xbone overlay really is, the fact that it's relegated purely to working with just live TV kinda blows my mind a bit, seeing as recording/pausing live TV etc is pretty much the main selling point of DVR players these days. Just baffled by MS.
ChosenPredator
Banned
In a way I like MS getting tiger uppercut in the soul maybe this will teach them a valuable lesson and we'll see some interesting stuff at E3 - all this negative news makes me want to see how they will recover at that event lol
Wouldn't they announce who they partnered with at this show, considering E3 is just "Games, Games, Games!"
Delusibeta
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In Microsoft's mind, Google & Apple. (And Nintendo explicitly said that, so I guess it's only Sony that considers Microsoft & Nintendo rivals in the gaming world, which makes sense, since Sony also has a computing division that's better suited to rival Google & Apple).
metalslimer
Member
Not only are their methods archaic and limited, they are hidden inside of an expensive console when all it takes is for tablets with IR blasters to replace the same functionality. MS seems to have realized that all their intiatives: smartphones, tablets, mp3 have failed so they will risk their console success to get what they want out of the market.
brotkasten
Member
It should be mentioned that IR blasters killed Nilay Patel's cat.
Unless I'm thinking of something different we've had Google TV hooked up to our living room TV for almost two years
Snowden's Secret
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Any Wii U owner already knows that console-as-a-tv-supplement is way cooler in theory than reality, for basically the same reasons. Requiring a cable box/subscription and only working with live television cripples the otherwise brilliant WiiTV, and will cripple Xbone. At least Nintendo didn't make it the primary focus.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Well on the bright side, maybe this will get some of these providers to update their fucking cable boxes, it's 2013 and many providers still issue boxes from fucking 2001.
All of themz
All of themz
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Big Takeover
Member
I think the guide/box control is the least interesting part of having the overlay. It's really only good for voice search, and nothing else. I'm certainly going to stick with how I do things now. Notifications, fast switching, etc should be useful though.
I, I honestly dont get what they are thinking.
between crap like this http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/microsoft-struggles-re-start-windows-8-1C9898091
And the over all changes in the market, I'm not sure how much they don't realize that gamers are about the only thing keeping their OS at the mediocre forefront. I honestly think that if MS loses the gamers with their console, in terms of being at the forefront in the US, that they will lose so much of their market share in terms of their OS, that MS might over extend themselves into irrelevancy, in terms of their OS, which will cripple a lot of their aspirations.
The only reasonable excuse I can see them giving, behind closed doors is, they realize the current situation in the market, and instead of trying to boost their OS marketability, they are trying to create a whole new niche for themselves... Only problem is their is even more competition where they are headed.
Seriously, outside of disappointing, this seems like a desperate move on their part to stay near as relevent as they used to be, in terms of the OS draw.
between crap like this http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/microsoft-struggles-re-start-windows-8-1C9898091
And the over all changes in the market, I'm not sure how much they don't realize that gamers are about the only thing keeping their OS at the mediocre forefront. I honestly think that if MS loses the gamers with their console, in terms of being at the forefront in the US, that they will lose so much of their market share in terms of their OS, that MS might over extend themselves into irrelevancy, in terms of their OS, which will cripple a lot of their aspirations.
The only reasonable excuse I can see them giving, behind closed doors is, they realize the current situation in the market, and instead of trying to boost their OS marketability, they are trying to create a whole new niche for themselves... Only problem is their is even more competition where they are headed.
Seriously, outside of disappointing, this seems like a desperate move on their part to stay near as relevent as they used to be, in terms of the OS draw.
All of the same DVR features will exist. The problem is you will see the cable box interface when you do them. There is no real alternative unless they put their own cable tuner or use IPTV. Both of which bring up a whole range of worse problems especially for international reasons. I guess they want to create a box that doesn't have to change depending on where it's sold? Might not be the smartest idea.
Proelite
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Good thing about all this TV crap is that it has a negligible hardware BOM impact and no OS resource cost at all. You can make a x360 revision that does the same thing.
Kinect is what really hurt the Xbox One in terms of performance, both in terms of added costs that would have gone into better parts, and OS size.
Kinect is what really hurt the Xbox One in terms of performance, both in terms of added costs that would have gone into better parts, and OS size.
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BruceLeeRoy
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Being that MS has been getting nothing but venom these past couple months about rumors pertaining to a feature set they knew they had, and specs they knew were true and they didn't change anything makes me not hopeful.
Robot Pants
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Well I hope they pay for their mistake because it's a really fucking stupid idea.
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Deleted member 17706
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Glad more articles are coming out about how much bullshit all of this TV stuff is.
I saw tons of stuff on forums and Twitter about how this is amazing tech and how it will replace DVRs and stuff. It's a garbage overlay for live TV... People will be really disappointed when they understand how it really works and what its many limitations are.
I saw tons of stuff on forums and Twitter about how this is amazing tech and how it will replace DVRs and stuff. It's a garbage overlay for live TV... People will be really disappointed when they understand how it really works and what its many limitations are.
TheChewyWaffles
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Lol where is that from?
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Deleted member 80556
Unconfirmed Member
Man, this third console curse actually seems real. How many other companies aside from Atari, Nintendo, Sega and Sony have been affected (which are still a lot hehe)?
Damn, he didn't even check if she was alright.
Damn, he didn't even check if she was alright.
I would love to see them take a step back, but it ain't gonna happen. Fingers in the ears, full steam ahead, haters gonna hate.
they'll realize it only in hindsight when the whole thing implodes.
He hates them so bad. Its almost kind of funny.
ThatObviousUser
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What's sort of a shame is that Google TV actually does have the potential to make TV easier to use. Pressing a button to bring the Google search bar up and search through all airing and upcoming shows and internet videos is dead-simple, and has worked since pretty much 1.0 of the platform.
Haven't seen much of the 4.2.2 "re-integrated" build, but hopefully they realize how powerful and easy to use the search box is and make that the centerpiece of the system. Third party apps are nice, of course, but tend to complicate things.
Why am I posting this here, this is just another dogpile MS thread, lol.
Haven't seen much of the 4.2.2 "re-integrated" build, but hopefully they realize how powerful and easy to use the search box is and make that the centerpiece of the system. Third party apps are nice, of course, but tend to complicate things.
dragonflys545
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Get Usher to come out and dance.
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dragonflys545
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Damn you're right for once.
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Deleted member 17706
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The question still remains, who actually wants to do this when they have so many other devices at their disposal? If we're talking about people without such devices, why do we think they want some kind of Internet overlay on their TVs, or would have any idea how to utilize such a thing?
UberTag
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Won't matter so long as Microsoft can pump out enough smoke & mirrors into their marketing to fool Joe Consumer into thinking it's something different.
Once they discover what they're in for they'll already be on the hook for the purchase cost. Let the outsourced grunts in customer support deal with the mess.
ThatObviousUser
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It's less the internet overlay and more being able to find out if a show's on, and/or what channel it's on.
Like, I'm one of the group of people who haven't quite memorized their entire channels list. So I can search "Boondocks" and if it's playing I can jump right to that channel. Or if it's not playing yet, I could hit "Record with DVR" or whatever if my DVR is supported. Or one of the options could be AS's website, where they have eps and I could watch them as if it were actually playing on AS.
Haven't used GTV in years, hoping it's better when I eventually break down and jump back in again.
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thepotatoman
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I'm extremely surprised it doesn't have DVR functionality of its own. I don't see any reason why it shouldn't. If you got a cable box with HDMI channel switching and was able to DVR directly to the xbox's hard drive most of these complaints would be gone. They could even had split the hard drive 150GB DVR/350GB other stuff and still have double the DVR storage most people get without increasing manufacturing costs.
Only feature you'd lose over cable company's DVRs is the ability to record/watch two things at once, but there's not much you can do about that and a one feed DVR is better than no DVR.
Then again a DVR would probably be too consumer friendly for a suit driven microsoft who probably decided that convenience would eat into their own movie and tv marketplace sales.
Only feature you'd lose over cable company's DVRs is the ability to record/watch two things at once, but there's not much you can do about that and a one feed DVR is better than no DVR.
Then again a DVR would probably be too consumer friendly for a suit driven microsoft who probably decided that convenience would eat into their own movie and tv marketplace sales.
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That one hurt and makes their concentration on TV during the press conference shine in such a brilliant negative light. haha
Neuromancer
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If they wanted to go all in to the TV stuff then they should have figured out a way to bypass the cable box altogether and use part of the HDD to store video. It's pretty crazy this is the best they could come up with.
Anticitizen One
Banned
I actually bought the Sony Google TV when it first came out. It was OK but the layout was too cumbersome and there was a serious lack of Apps. I felt it didn't do what it promised so I returned it and bought an Apple TV for $99. I was alot happier.
What Smart TV do you have? I have a Samsung and it is terrible.