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dzelly · Dec 8, 2013

Okay, we know that Vlambeer exploited the exclusivity loophole. Witch Beam genuinely wanted to release on all platforms, opted out of exclusivity months before ID@Xbox to do so, and then became locked out of the program as a result.

We haven’t signed up to the ID@XBox program, unfortunately we started work on our PS4, Vita, and Wii U versions of Assault Android Cactus before the program was announced and have no intentions of delaying those versions to meet their launch parity clause. In a somewhat ironic twist it seems having a temporary exclusive agreement with another platform from before the ID announcement actually helps your chances of getting a waiver for the clause, but we opted out of exclusivity to keep our options open and are now locked out of the program.

Seems kinda shitty. Some may say it's their own fault, but Witch Beam was thinking of the future when they opted out of exclusivity. Maybe Charla would help out?

Source: http://www.igameresponsibly.com/201...ox-for-opting-out-of-exclusivity-in-the-past/

Gameplay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGjvX0iX7Yg

Iacobellis · Dec 8, 2013

What the hell.

fallagin · Dec 8, 2013

That was a very bad idea on MS part. Very counter intuitive.

jwk94 · Dec 8, 2013

Assault Android Cactus is so good.

Ploid 3.0 · Dec 8, 2013

Microsoft hurting xbox owners this way. Sucks for them, and the Indy Devs.

dzelly · Dec 8, 2013

jwk94 said:
Assault Android Cactus is so good.

Yeah, it's money

Wario64 · Dec 8, 2013

Their loss. Game is filling that twin stick shooter void nicely

Storm360 · Dec 8, 2013

So under this a indie which exclusively released on PSN (lets say Hotline Miami) will never be able to go on Xbox Live or am I reading into this wrong?

HORRORSHØW · Dec 8, 2013

Such a restrictive policy, one that undermines indie development.

dzelly · Dec 8, 2013

Storm360 said:
So under this a indie which exclusively released on PSN (lets say Hotline Miami) will never be able to go on Xbox Live or am I reading into this wrong?

No, This is just for people that want to sign up for ID@Xbox. They get a couple of Xbox One dev kits and a Unity license to develop for Xbox One. There's a clause in the program that states games that release under ID@Xbox can't release elsewhere earlier than on Xbox unless they have an exclusivity deal.

Toki767 · Dec 8, 2013

I actually expect Microsoft to at least make an exception for situations that end up getting widely publicized.

Theecliff · Dec 8, 2013

Microsoft: Please just sort this shit out. Absolutely ridiculous.

ZackieChan · Dec 8, 2013

Wario64 said:
Their loss. Game is filling that twin stick shooter void nicely

That looks awesome.

Noi · Dec 8, 2013

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

dzelly · Dec 8, 2013

ZackieChan said:
That looks awesome.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/250110/?snr=1_7_15__13

FranXico · Dec 8, 2013

Wario64 said:
Their loss. Game is filling that twin stick shooter void nicely

Aye, it is great.

Microsoft will hopefully see the error of their ways soon.

Y2Kev · Dec 8, 2013

If we make enough noise, they'll fix it. So let's make some noise. Who is in charge of indies at xbox so we can tweet them?

RE_Player · Dec 8, 2013

Microsoft just being Microsoft. With the state of gaming now no platform holder should be picky in when they get a game on their platform.

Cow Goes Moo · Dec 8, 2013

the game looks quite fun

tis a shame for the xbox platform though, hopefully they can do something about it

Jeels · Dec 8, 2013

Expected some sort of silly counterproductive exclusivity clauses from Microsoft.

devious.one · Dec 8, 2013

Wario64 said:
Their loss. Game is filling that twin stick shooter void nicely

Holy shit, I didn't even know this existed.

jsip · Dec 8, 2013

Xbox One: By gamers, for gamers, but fuck indie devs

Silky · Dec 8, 2013

Wario64 said:
Their loss. Game is filling that twin stick shooter void nicely

JESUS

Qassim · Dec 8, 2013

Indie games should be free of such ridiculous policies. This is the problem with the games industry being so centred around GIVING CONTROL to three companies interested entirely in their own profitability.

It's a hostile environment for video games.

dzelly · Dec 8, 2013

Y2Kev said:
If we make enough noise, they'll fix it. So let's make some noise. Who is in charge of indies at xbox so we can tweet them?

Chris Charla

Bsigg12 · Dec 8, 2013

Storm360 said:
So under this a indie which exclusively released on PSN (lets say Hotline Miami) will never be able to go on Xbox Live or am I reading into this wrong?

Well Hotline Miami could because it was a previous deal.

Chris Charla (program director for ID@Xbox) has said they will work devs on a case by case basis in regards to situations like this. Still the launch day parity clause is fucking dumb.

Steverulez · Dec 8, 2013

Y2Kev said:
If we make enough noise, they'll fix it. So let's make some noise. Who is in charge of indies at xbox so we can tweet them?

Chris Charla is head of ID@Xbox

900bv · Dec 8, 2013

Wario64 said:
Their loss. Game is filling that twin stick shooter void nicely

Someone tell me when the PS4 port is being released please.

viveks86 · Dec 8, 2013

Y2Kev said:
If we make enough noise, they'll fix it. So let's make some noise. Who is in charge of indies at xbox so we can tweet them?

Chris Charla

Edit: Beaten like the final boss in a bruce lee movie!

MCD · Dec 8, 2013

Y2Kev said:
If we make enough noise, they'll fix it. So let's make some noise. Who is in charge of indies at xbox so we can tweet them?

Chris Charla:

https://twitter.com/iocat

"We like criticism. It never feels good to be criticized, but that's how you get better, right? I think we've come up with something that devs will be really happy with, and that's really just focused on getting the best possible original games onto Xbox One."

Amir0x · Dec 8, 2013

Such a shame, Assault Android Cactus is brilliant and every platform should have it. Fix this Microsoft

BlastProcessing · Dec 8, 2013

I would say this is an example of unintended consequences biting Microsoft in the ass, but this problem could have been easily foreseen if they actually would have talked to developers about this for 5 minutes.

ricelord · Dec 8, 2013

Wario64 said:
Their loss. Game is filling that twin stick shooter void nicely

mmmmmm... can't wait.

Wario64 · Dec 8, 2013

devious.one said:
Holy shit, I didn't even know this existed.

It's on Steam Early Access right now if you want to play it and PS4/Vita cross buy early 2014

http://store.steampowered.com/app/250110

Miles Quaritch · Dec 8, 2013

Y2Kev said:
If we make enough noise, they'll fix it. So let's make some noise. Who is in charge of indies at xbox so we can tweet them?

Phil Spencer and Graeme Boyd (aceybongo) probably the two that need tweeting...

Edit, seems I was wrong.

Sword Of Doom · Dec 8, 2013

What's wrong with MS man? Wtf?

BeeDog · Dec 8, 2013

Seriously, a day cannot pass without MS taking some more beating due to some new, stupid piece of Xbox One news.

:lol

cyberheater · Dec 8, 2013

I'm surprised any 3rd party dev is still working on WiiU games.

Steverulez · Dec 8, 2013

Miles Quaritch said:
Phil Spencer and Graeme Boyd (aceybongo) probably the two that need tweeting...

I don't think AceyBongo has anything to do with it. UK Pr guy.

Phil Spencer is a good shout though.

Amir0x · Dec 8, 2013

Y2Kev said:
If we make enough noise, they'll fix it. So let's make some noise. Who is in charge of indies at xbox so we can tweet them?

Capital idea. My tweet:

@iocat Hey man, Witch Beam developer of @AndroidCactus is locked out of ID@Xbox. http://tinyurl.com/qju4c8h Fix this!

BigDug13 · Dec 8, 2013

Game looks amazing, but why do so many games have that "gem collection" part where there's a million particles that you're supposed to suck up to improve your score? It just clutters the screen with unnecessary shit. I prefer Geometry Wars Evolved to Geometry Wars 2 for that reason.

This game yet again has all that shit you're sucking up and having to try to figure out what's happening on the screen with unnecessary shit thrown on there.

Game looks gorgeous but that "suck up all the gems from your kills" shit needs to DIAF.

Miles Quaritch · Dec 8, 2013

Steverulez said:
I don't think AceyBongo has anything to do with it. UK Pr guy.

Phil Spencer is a good shout though.

yeah, sorry about that. Forgot he was mostly a PR guy.

grosvenor_92 · Dec 8, 2013

Wario64 said:
Their loss. Game is filling that twin stick shooter void nicely

That looks absolutely insane

PhatSaqs · Dec 8, 2013

I wonder what the core reason is at MS for the unwillingness to give indies all the freedom in the world to do whatever they want.

Phoenician_Viking · Dec 8, 2013

You need to do a 180 on this MS.

RedAssedApe · Dec 8, 2013

visual overload...i suck at these games lol

Miles Quaritch · Dec 8, 2013

Amir0x said:
Capital idea. My tweet:

Do you mind if I copy and tweet it as well?

Alienous · Dec 8, 2013

Wario64 said:
Their loss. Game is filling that twin stick shooter void nicely

Their loss.

Nokterian · Dec 8, 2013

Wario64 said:
It's on Steam Early Access right now if you want to play it and PS4/Vita cross buy early 2014

http://store.steampowered.com/app/250110

This is on steam? Oh my...bought!

CCIE · Dec 8, 2013

What happens when suits are in charge of the gaming division. Xbox used to have such promise until MS corporate took charge

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