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Fighting Games Weekly | June 23-29 | Call Security, There's Been An Injustice

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Week of June 23rd to June 29th, 2014.

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Every week, FGW will spotlight one GAFer to get a better picture of their history with fighting games, their preferences, and much more. For this week's FGW Player Spotlight, we will be taking a closer look at gambler supreme, vulva!

What fighting games do you currently play, what are your all time favourites and why?
I currently only play Ultra Street Fighter 4. I don't really have much time to play games anymore, so in my spare time I pick this game up since it's the one I play in tournament and frankly out of laziness. It's a game I'm already very comfortable with, so I'm not spending time re-learning every nuance like I would with a new title.

My favourite of all time would probably be KOF 98 Ultimate Match or Street Fighter Alpha 2. I'm absolutely awful at both, but those were the coolest games to me and made me get really excited to play fighting games, and still get me excited to this day.
What are your favorite mechanics from the current selection of fighting games and why? What are your least favorite and why?
My favourite mechanic in a current fighting game would probably be the HD meter from KOF13. I love the idea of being given an opportunity to enhance your combos and make the most of a good opportunity without having the same punishment as you would in other titles where a similar effect would be tied directly to your super/ex meter. I think this is a great idea because it encourages a player to approach the match with a completely different mindset to when is the right time to use the meter. It rewards you for creating a great opportunity to use the meter while it doesn't leave you at complete disadvantage if you drop it. The other side to this is that it is universal through the game, so it doesn't just give certain characters the ability to do more high damage and unique combos for a limited time.

My least favourite is absolutely X Factor. I can't stand any aspect of the concept of it and will never understand the appeal or justifications for it. I don't believe players should automatically be given a tool that's so strong as a comeback mechanic as a way to combat poor performance earlier on. I understand it can be used strategically for other purposes such as using it as a cancel after an unsafe gambit falls flat, which I'm fine with, however the strength it contains as a comeback mechanic just rubs me the wrong way.
What got you into fighting games? Are there any other genre of games you play?
My brother came home from University one summer while I was still in High School. He asked if I wanted to play Street Fighter (we had CE on the Genesis). As a younger brother, I always looked up to him. He proceeded to destroy me with Honda, and I had no idea what to do. So I started wanting to play more and more. I wanted to be better than my older brother at something and that seemed like the most tangible. He wasn't even good at the game by any real stretch, but I just wanted to beat him at a game that was so cool and interesting to me.

Once HDR finally came out, I invested so many hours in to that game. My first tournament ever was an HDR tournament where I did pretty badly. However, my brother also got HDR and we could play each other online while each away for school. When I started absolutely destroying him and making him not want to play against me anymore, I felt a bit of accomplishment.

I play other games when I can, but these days I honestly don't find the time for them. My favourite game of all time is Startropics and am aching for the day Nintendo make another one. Otherwise the only games I ever sneak in when the time is there are puzzle games like Pochi & Nyaa/Puyo Pop or shooters like Espgaluda/Mushihimesama Futari/Radiant Silvergun etc. The current generation of AAA games or even multiplayer games outside of fighting games just don't interest me at all but shooters, puzzle games and fighting games will always hold my interest.
What is your favorite fighting game character and why?
My favourite fighting game character would have to be Leona from the KOF series. I love her style of play and just her overall movement. Throwing things like the low grenade while charging forward in to an overhead just feels so good to me. Her aerial DM in which she can counter a whiffed move always makes you feel like a king when you land it. I loved that her upslash was such a strong anti-air. I always gravitate towards charge characters as well, which was a huge factor. Her character design also just really appealed to me for some reason.
Describe your style of play, and how do you play (local, online, etc.).
I'm absolutely a turtle. I love sitting back and waiting for someone to do something dumb. I stick with charge characters usually for this very reason. I'm content to sit back and just throw fireballs or something that will nag at you and press you to do something and then it's my turn to start thinking. It's nice to be able to apply pressure when things are going well, but ultimately my comfort zone is a full screen away and able to chip away at your character making you want to do something to put an end to my annoying gameplay.

I play online on occasion, I'll probably play more once USF4 comes out for PC, but I go to weekly casual sessions at a local game shop. They opened up a basement loaded with monitors and consoles and players all gather together to run sets and try to improve. We'll do occasional tournaments as well to push each other a bit, but it's mostly a friendly environment. I also play in tournaments as frequently as I can, but unfortunately that's not always practical.
What do you feel are your biggest strengths and weaknesses as a player?
My biggest strength at this point in my game is that I don`t get angry about losses anymore. I used to get so angry when I would lose over what I thought to be bullshit, but I`ve moved past that now. Every loss ends up being a chance for me to see where I went wrong or what I should do differently in an approach. By not letting myself get so angry and clouded in frustration, it helps me progress in my gameplay.

My biggest weakness is that I can be stubborn. I'll know something doesn't work, get punished for it and still repeat it. In my mind it seems like the right thing to do, yet I continue to get blown up for it which ultimately leads to severe damage. I don't adjust well in the match. Because of this, any information I take in while playing ends up being too late to apply to the needed moment.
Best and worst moments in the your fighting game career?
I'll get the worst out of the way since I can't narrow down a single best and I hate focusing on the bad. I was going to EVO in 2011, car broke down driving from LA to Vegas. Ended up missing my pool and spending the night asleep in some parking lot of an autoshop in Barstow. It put a huge damper on the whole event for me and I was just so frustrated.

As for the best, I guess it all stems around my first EVO. I flew down to LA to see the area before EVO and practice a bit, with absolutely no plan. I just knew I wanted to do it, so I booked a flight and signed up for EVO. When I arrived in LA, within no time I found an arcade in Little Tokyo and was playing over there. Ended up meeting someone who was watching me play and we talked for a bit. That person never left my side until I flew back to Canada after EVO.

At that first EVO I didn't do great, I think I went 1-2 or 2-2 maybe. However my one win that I got, I double perfected an Abel player which sent him home. I wasn't an arrogant player then, and I'm certainly still not, but it was so hard not to feel myself over that moment. The biggest fighting game tournament in the world, my first time really doing something just for myself and I managed to pull that off was such a rush.

As a follow up to that EVO, I went back to LA to fly back to Toronto and spent those last days with some new friends and that person who I met in the arcade. That person's now been my girlfriend since July 2010. So in some ways, I owe my relationship and everything that's brought me in life (academically, work and so on) to playing Street Fighter.
What do you want from future fighting games?
The future of fighting games is an odd thing for me to think about. I would like fighting games to move away from the emphasis on comeback mechanics. Instead I would love for all future fighting games to provide stronger tools inside the game to help players learn and understand how the games function. If more players were introduced to and educated on how to effectively play most games, the need for a comeback mechanic would be much lower. Right now they seem to mostly be in place so the casual player doesn't feel that all hope is lost. If a player can learn how to play properly and know all their options they might be less inclined to feel lost. Instead with a strong training mode or teaching system in place for the game mechanics and general fighting game knowledge packaged in with the game, more players will also be able to become more immediately competitive which can help those players feel the rush and pleasure from doing well and knowing they earned their victory.

I'm aware some fighting games have done this like VF4:Evo and Skullgirls, but for this inclusion to actually be effective it needs to be in games people play.
Who should be on next week's GAF Player Spotlight?
jlai or Teknopathetic. jlai's the strongest player on gaf and Teknopathetic really helped me early on in understanding aspects of fighting games that went over my head. I'll always remember him telling me to press less buttons. 5 years later and that advice still rings in my head.


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I swear nws and osu, perfect thread title!

Now that osu is here, would you be willing to explain what happened at ufgt and MLG when you told some people to get off commentary? If not, understandable, there has been a bit of FGC drama over twitter this weekend.
 
I don't think 16 bit has to explain anything. Imagine if you're a top player for a game playing in a prestigious tournament and other top players who don't even play or care about your game commentates your matches and makes a mockery of it.
MLG and esports in general are more professional and serious about everything so having a big fat white guy and a skinny latino guy just sit up there talking in funny voices would be an insult to the tournament even if they are trying to be entertaining.
 
This weekend I made $2,000 and inspired a GAF thread title. Feels good.
So what exactly happened with you at the event? I don't know what happened outside of Floe tweets, which didn't explain anything.

Edit: And congratulations! How do you report game winnings on your taxes?

I don't think 16 bit has to explain anything. Imagine if you're a top player for a game playing in a prestigious tournament and other top players who don't even play or care about your game commentates your matches and makes a mockery of it.
MLG and esports in general are more professional and serious about everything so having a big fat white guy and a skinny latino guy just sit up there talking in funny voices would be an insult to the tournament even if they are trying to be entertaining.
He doesn't have to, but I'd like to think we all enjoy sharing stories about stuff that happens to us. I'm not interested in putting the dude on trial or anything.
 
I don't think 16 bit has to explain anything. Imagine if you're a top player for a game playing in a prestigious tournament and other top players who don't even play or care about your game commentates your matches and makes a mockery of it.
MLG and esports in general are more professional and serious about everything so having a big fat white guy and a skinny latino guy just sit up there talking in funny voices would be an insult to the tournament even if they are trying to be entertaining.

then it comes into question as to who chose those two to commentate Injustice anyway? Surely they (MLG) could've gotten better ppl from the community to represent/hype their sport, right?

that being said, yeah he doesn't have to explain anythin i suppose.
 
Heads up enzo, "What do you feel are your biggest strengths and weaknesses as a player?" and "Best and worst moments in the your fighting game career?" have the same answers in the interview.
 
That's why the whole thing should've been ran by Art or Level Up in the first place. Art did a great job with MK there.
 
Did 16 bit went over what happened about the security thing?


On Friday MLG was obviously a disaster. Hours late. Some security guys were being super strict and corralling the IGAU players away from the play area. We were getting no updates and we couldn't see the matches or even hear the matches being called. It was frustrating, especially since it didn't seem to apply to the other games. Tensions were high. Meanwhile Floe and Chris G were chilling in the play area. Sitting there, playing casuals, doing troll commentary. For hours. It was obnoxious that we don't know what's going on but Floe isn't kicked out. So I called out this BS. Eventually after a lot of heated talk with MLG staff/security about the inconsistencies with the rules and the lack of referees and matches Floe and the others got the boot then shortly after we all got the go ahead to enter the area and it somewhat started being run correctly. I was irritated with Floe doing commentary(I made the comparison of me doing Marvel commentary at EVO). This is a separate issue though. I did not demand to do it myself not was "security called" just to get him off. I guess in hindsight I probably could have bit my tongue but whatever.
 
I don't think 16 bit has to explain anything. Imagine if you're a top player for a game playing in a prestigious tournament and other top players who don't even play or care about your game commentates your matches and makes a mockery of it.
MLG and esports in general are more professional and serious about everything so having a big fat white guy and a skinny latino guy just sit up there talking in funny voices would be an insult to the tournament even if they are trying to be entertaining.


Exactly. I'm all for antics and shenanigans but this wasn't the time. Not when we have a near riot because the rest of us can't get any information or see the few matches being played. We can't get in there but Floe is? Come on. It's definitely true I lost my cool and that's dumb but given the circumstances I don't have much regret.
 
then it comes into question as to who chose those two to commentate Injustice anyway? Surely they (MLG) could've gotten better ppl from the community to represent/hype their sport, right?

that being said, yeah he doesn't have to explain anythin i suppose.


They weren't official commentators. I have no idea who let them in. I asked the official ones and they all said they didn't know. It wouldn't be that bad if it wasn't for the circumstances. Floe seems to think I just was mad he was doing commentary and I wasn't. That's not the case. I was mad they're literally calling matches and threatening to DQ players who's names we can't hear because we're not allowed into the area. I we mad we have matches going on and we can't watch despite paying 60 bucks. I was mad we can't get in any games and are standing around for hours while Floe and Chris get to sit and play casuals. The commentary thing was a mild annoyance.
 
I don't think 16 bit has to explain anything. Imagine if you're a top player for a game playing in a prestigious tournament and other top players who don't even play or care about your game commentates your matches and makes a mockery of it.
MLG and esports in general are more professional and serious about everything so having a big fat white guy and a skinny latino guy just sit up there talking in funny voices would be an insult to the tournament even if they are trying to be entertaining.
Oh, I didn't mean I wanted a reason justifying it. I actually didn't know what happened besides security being called and wondered what they did.
On Friday MLG was obviously a disaster. Hours late. Some security guys were being super strict and corralling the IGAU players away from the play area. We were getting no updates and we couldn't see the matches or even hear the matches being called. It was frustrating, especially since it didn't seem to apply to the other games. Tensions were high. Meanwhile Floe and Chris G were chilling in the play area. Sitting there, playing casuals, doing troll commentary. For hours. It was obnoxious that we don't know what's going on but Floe isn't kicked out. So I called out this BS. Eventually after a lot of heated talk with MLG staff/security about the inconsistencies with the rules and the lack of referees and matches Floe and the others got the boot then shortly after we all got the go ahead to enter the area and it somewhat started being run correctly. I was irritated with Floe doing commentary(I made the comparison of me doing Marvel commentary at EVO). This is a separate issue though. I did not demand to do it myself not was "security called" just to get him off. I guess in hindsight I probably could have bit my tongue but whatever.
Well that's unfortunate. And good job at Injustice.
 
They weren't official commentators. I have no idea who let them in. I asked the official ones and they all said they didn't know. It wouldn't be that bad if it wasn't for the circumstances. Floe seems to think I just was mad he was doing commentary and I wasn't. That's not the case. I was mad they're literally calling matches and threatening to DQ players who's names we can't hear because we're not allowed into the area. I we mad we have matches going on and we can't watch despite paying 60 bucks. I was mad we can't get in any games and are standing around for hours while Floe and Chris get to sit and play casuals. The commentary thing was a mild annoyance.

Ahhhh.
 
"Jlai's the strongest player on gaf"


Let him slide. He really wasn't around for the Super days. Now that I think about it, Jlai would be behind you as well so really he would be fourth strongest at best but then you have to factor in farms and the boys even though they disappeared from the face of the earth so in actuality more like top 10 but not 5.
 
Great interview Vulva, that press less buttons thing is something I have to condition myself to a bit more for USF4 :\

Also LOL at the thread title, perfect.

Has 16 Bit talked about that yet?

Edit: Derp, just saw.
 
That seems like a pretty nasty situation.

Why exactly would someone think it would be appropriate to presumably take up space that the tournament players need in addition to jokingly commentate on a game they don't play considering what you guys had to put up with?

Did this person acknowledge that you were held back by security for hours in addition to not being able to hear/see matches/names or did they just focus on the commentary bit?
 
Heads up enzo, "What do you feel are your biggest strengths and weaknesses as a player?" and "Best and worst moments in the your fighting game career?" have the same answers in the interview.
Welp, I fucked up. Turns out vulva didn't answer that question and I somehow managed to paste it twice D; Thanks for letting me know.

vulva can still answer it if he wants and I can edit it into OP.

/showshowontopofmyshitiam
 
enzo I missed this one somehow!


What do you feel are your biggest strengths and weaknesses as a player?

My biggest strength at this point in my game is that I don`t get angry about losses anymore. I used to get so angry when I would lose over what I thought to be bullshit, but I`ve moved past that now. Every loss ends up being a chance for me to see where I went wrong or what I should do differently in an approach. By not letting myself get so angry and clouded in frustration, it helps me progress in my gameplay.

My biggest weakness is that I can be stubborn. I'll know something doesn't work, get punished for it and still repeat it. In my mind it seems like the right thing to do, yet I continue to get blown up for it which ultimately leads to severe damage. I don't adjust well in the match. Because of this, any information I take in while playing ends up being too late to apply to the needed moment.
 
Let him slide. He really wasn't around for the Super days. Now that I think about it, Jlai would be behind you as well so really he would be fourth strongest at best but then you have to factor in farms and the boys even though they disappeared from the face of the earth so in actuality more like top 10 but not 5.

Essentially saying people who aren't here or don't play the game are the best people here who play the game? Brilliant.

edit: double post because of an accident and 'cause fuck it it's my week to shine
 
Essentially saying people who aren't here or don't play the game are the best people here who play the game? Brilliant.

edit: double post because of an accident and 'cause fuck it it's my week to shine

They still play the game. They just don't post here as much or anymore. Farms posts here now and then and he used to be the biggest poster in SF GAF period. Unlike most of FGC GAF they spend more time playing the game than talking about it. I don't have to explain who Chaotix or who Joe is. Saty would still be posting here if he weren't ban for messing around with women who want nothing to do with him. And just because they aren't posting doesn't mean they aren't lurking. Just like Threi and the a few others, most of these guys don't like these new age threads. I'm like the only person from back then posting regularly now.
It's no disrespect to you calling Jlai the best but as someone who's seen pretty much everybody played I'm going to say my mind.
 
enzo I missed this one somehow!


What do you feel are your biggest strengths and weaknesses as a player?

My biggest strength at this point in my game is that I don`t get angry about losses anymore. I used to get so angry when I would lose over what I thought to be bullshit, but I`ve moved past that now. Every loss ends up being a chance for me to see where I went wrong or what I should do differently in an approach. By not letting myself get so angry and clouded in frustration, it helps me progress in my gameplay.

My biggest weakness is that I can be stubborn. I'll know something doesn't work, get punished for it and still repeat it. In my mind it seems like the right thing to do, yet I continue to get blown up for it which ultimately leads to severe damage. I don't adjust well in the match. Because of this, any information I take in while playing ends up being too late to apply to the needed moment.
Oddly enough, I get irritated when I lose online, but in person I laugh a lot. I think the TV makes it somehow impersonal and more offensive...
 
I'm in a lobby with a dude that's complaining about the fact that this game has combos and jump in attacks are completely safe.

its like I'm playing with a casual Smash player

i can't even. if u guys could hear this

then I get called a 'fag' for telling him you can just anti air them

XBOX LIVE.
 
Unlike most of FGC GAF they spend more time playing the game than talking about it.

Hey, I'm playing all the time nowadays.
The Vita version of Guilty Gear XX Accent Core +R just doesn't have online though, so I just play the CPU or Training.

It's so much easier to play on Vita though.

Darn you ArcSys.
 
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