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Autopsy performed on 25-yo NFL LB involved in murder-suicide reveals CTE damage
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outunderthestars
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This issue is an atomic bomb that is going to blow up across all levels of professional, college, and amateur sports.
My girlfriend is finishing her doctorate in clinical neuropsych. and almost all of her professors are working as consultants in civil cases that are working their way through courts.
They all seem to agree that it is going to end up hitting numbers that dwarf tobacco suits.
My girlfriend is finishing her doctorate in clinical neuropsych. and almost all of her professors are working as consultants in civil cases that are working their way through courts.
They all seem to agree that it is going to end up hitting numbers that dwarf tobacco suits.
Lamel
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I think football is sort of reaching critical mass in terms of how much the body can handle. Before it was more about the physical body, so players got bigger, stronger, faster, and more able to cope with the physical damage the hits caused. But in doing so, they hit harder, and now it has sort of maxed out and is affecting the brain in serious ways, and even possibly altering their behavior.
Dreams-Visions
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Things are going to change.
outunderthestars
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I totally agree. Look at these photos.
They are of the same player, taken seven months apart. We have created techniques that allow people to get bigger, faster, and stronger than they have ever been in human history. And then we have them collide into each other at full speed. This is only the tip of a very large iceberg.
Future PhaZe
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All you can do is educate and have them sign the waivers.
Delta Assault
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Maybe in the future, the NFL will only exist in a sort of Real Steel approach, with robots taking all the hits.
SwiftDeath
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What I'm more curious about is if a big payout happens and/or it is revealed and accepted that football has dangerous risks of head trauma, what it will mean for things like youth football?
I mean sure they won't be hitting each other anything close to as hard but I imagine some of the problem comes from playing football for like 15 years as you develop and grow
I mean sure they won't be hitting each other anything close to as hard but I imagine some of the problem comes from playing football for like 15 years as you develop and grow
I have to imagine CBT exacerbated recent events.
At the very least, NFL players should get the best healthcare in the world. After that, I'm not sure what could happen without changing the sport dramatically.
If it prevents things like this, I'd put aside my misgivings.
At the very least, NFL players should get the best healthcare in the world. After that, I'm not sure what could happen without changing the sport dramatically.
If it prevents things like this, I'd put aside my misgivings.
It's pretty cool that Twilight Zone episodes are relevant 60 years later
This issue isn't awareness, really. The danger of CTE facing football players due to sustaining repeated blows to the head over a period of years has been widely talked about for years now. Law and Order did an episode on it and Southpark has used it as a gag.
The issue is getting people to care about the safety of the players more so than the "sanctity" of their precious sport which, lol, good luck with that.
Football really does seem too large to fail at this point. Hell, even the recent player scandals don't seem to have amounted to much.
Ninja Scooter
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This guy was a 25 year old special teamer, not some 15 year starter. CTE has been found in high school kids as well. There is pretty much no avoiding this. Hitting things with your head, even just once, is not good for the human brain. Football will never be made "safe" it's just going to be a matter of parents pulling their kids from the sport more and more as time goes on and more people die or turn into vegetables which will kill the talent pool.
outunderthestars
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Less than 10 years from now.... Many organizations will simply stop offering it and move to soccer.
The CTE thing is a much bigger deal, IMO. The recent player scandals (Ray Rice etc.) only got so much attention because of how spectacularly Goodell botched the punishment for them.
Delta Assault
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Yeah. And if aliens ever come visit, we'll know to check their cookbooks.
Less than 10 years from now.... Many organizations will simply stop offering it and move to soccer.
Heading the ball is a key component in soccer and there are a good amount of concussions there too from aerial challenges.
What percentage of examined NFL brains have had CTE?
I know about a year ago they had found it in all but one brain that they had examined.
Does anyone know if they plan to test Rob Bironas?
From last week: Kicker Rob Bironas died after trying to run another vehicle off road
I know about a year ago they had found it in all but one brain that they had examined.
Does anyone know if they plan to test Rob Bironas?
From last week: Kicker Rob Bironas died after trying to run another vehicle off road
I totally agree. Look at these photos.
They are of the same player, taken seven months apart. We have created techniques that allow people to get bigger, faster, and stronger than they have ever been in human history. And then we have them collide into each other at full speed. This is only the tip of a very large iceberg.
WTF they need to test this dude for steroids and HGH...
WesternHeretic
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They are making stricter testing for HGH in return players get more lenient testing for marijuana.
smokeandmirrors
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iirc it's no where on the level the nfl is at, not that it isn't a problem however.
They do have leather helmets you can use (and some players do) so I wonder how much of an effect those have.
Delta Assault
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The majority of injuries in soccer seem to involve players being hit from behind and diving to the ground in front of them, with arms and legs spread out. They need to look at increased protection for the abdomen, I think.
speculawyer
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How?
Either the rules of the sport change drastically, or it will become a sport played only by those who see it as a way out of poverty similar to boxing.
Out of curiosity, does Rugby have similar problems with CTE?
I don't know off the top of my head, but I doubt it. Lack of pads and helmets would prevent the players from launching themselves at the player they're tackling like NFL players do, otherwise they'd injure themselves.
Whats significant about this picture? 7 months is plenty of time to shape up, especially for a guy who gets paid to do just that.I totally agree. Look at these photos.
They are of the same player, taken seven months apart. We have created techniques that allow people to get bigger, faster, and stronger than they have ever been in human history. And then we have them collide into each other at full speed. This is only the tip of a very large iceberg.
outunderthestars
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The picture on the right is seven months after retiring. He simply stopped working out to the level required to be in the NFL, and lost 70+ pounds...
shira
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That would mean NHL would have to change as well.
Leg tackling is emphasized, as opposed to the crazy helmet-helmet hits.
But any sort of repetitive brain impact is going to cause damage. Even frequent headers in soccer
metalslimer
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Contact football under the high school level needs to be banned. I would say high school as well, but we all know that's an impossibility in the near future as some entire towns and schools are built around their football teams as moneymakers.
CTE is a problem in Rugby, but not on the scale of NFL.
Adding all the pads and helmets has only made your guys hit each other harder and harder.
outunderthestars
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Fixed.
Coaches at big programs can still dismiss this sort of thing with a "guys play beat up every day"...
University of Michigan Coach Brady Hoke Defends Use of Dazed Quarterback
University of Michigan Coach Brady Hoke Defends Use of Dazed Quarterback
This is a problem in football (soccer) too.
Head injuries in general should be treated much more seriously.
FloatingDivider
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I was curious too so I did some digging, that picture is to be read from left to right. It's actually his weight loss since he left the NFL. So that dude was staying that bulked for the NFL so he could hold his own better.
XiaNaphryz
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I think that's still the case...there hasn't been an update on that stat at least that I can recall.
thesoapster
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If they continue to make tons of money and there is not a significant push from the public that threatens that moneymaking ability, I don't see it happening, unfortunately.
SniperHunter
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Daniel Amen talks a lot about these brain injuries in his books. Brain injuries can really mess you up big time.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Just wait until the link between CTE and domestic violence.....
The Lamonster
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Why hasn't it already?
Random Painted HIghway
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It would be interseting to crack open Rice, McDonald, petersons skulls and see if they show signs of this. I know it's correlation not causation at least tough to show causation in this case, but wouldn't that be something, if the Nfl itself was partially responsible for these episodes of physical/domestic abuse. It would be fascinating to see what happens if the victims family in this case added the nfl to a wrongful death suit against belcher. Granted, it would be settled with non disclosures.
How long you think traces of steroid and hgh stays in a system, also they'd have no grounds to test him. He has been retired for some time now.
Random Painted HIghway
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quite a bit of what amen peddles is snake oil, particularly spect scans on children to diagnose mental disorders.
The popularity of the Tiki-Taka style Barcelona and Spain made popular will be for certain the average kid wont be attacking the ball with Aerial duels which was the old hoof-ball English style.
Soccer will remain a very safe and popular alternative to American football.
Escape Goat
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Ann Coulter says its not football unless people are getting brain damage.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Coincidentally, same goes for political punditry.
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