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CDPR: Insists "no downgrade" in The Witcher 3; just game optimization
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Alcoholikaust
Member
Good. people need to realize there is differences between 'downgrade and different platform and different PC settings'
gigantor21
Member
The recent gameplay footage looked amazing to me, so yeah.
Dictator93
Member
Cutscenes look better than gameplay due to choice lighting and animation decisions. ONce people realize that... they will talk less of downgrades overall.
Edit: let's make some guess what the neverbefore demoed ultra settings will bring. I guess... (wish list=
1. Nvidia fur simulation and destruction sim (Nvidia hair)
2. Nvidia HBAO´plus
3. Per-object motionblur baby.. you know it
4. TXAA
5. More consisten SSr / actually using SSR
Edit: let's make some guess what the neverbefore demoed ultra settings will bring. I guess... (wish list=
1. Nvidia fur simulation and destruction sim (Nvidia hair)
2. Nvidia HBAO´plus
3. Per-object motionblur baby.. you know it
4. TXAA
5. More consisten SSr / actually using SSR
Soultaker0220
Member
I trust cd projekt red to deliver the best game they can. Based on the interviews I have seen with their staff they all seem very passionate about their game and most important, they really seem to care about us gamers. The free dlc is one thing but delaying the game instead of release it unfinished shows how much they want this game to be the best game it can be. Can't wait to get my hands on with this!
Shock_Wave
Member
Nothing to see here folks.
Grover Cleveland
Member
The sooner people realize that game development requires tradeoffs and the graphics of an in-progress game changing (for better or worse) over the course of its development cycle is the result of optimizing those tradeoffs and not some sinister, evil, deceptive anti-consumer plot by companies, the better off we'll be.
It's time for the gaming industry/press/fans to retire the word "downgrade".
It's time for the gaming industry/press/fans to retire the word "downgrade".
I have not really been comparing the shots, but assuming that they did make vertical slice videos, it's not something that's easily made playable due to them being ridiculously taxing and far higher quality than the rest of the game. Regardless of the actual truth, i don't support developers showing their work before it's actually in either alpha or beta.
Yeah, I don't think many people realize just how much of a difference posed/controlled sequences like cutscenes can make, even all real time with the same visual settings.
The Omega Man
Member
I used to be ready for this game, but what got downgraded wasn't the game but my video card, Nvidiaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!
Yeah, bullshit marketing seems like the appropriate term. It is a problem when nearly all AAA games have initial "gameplay" videos that are quite obviously better looking than the final product.
Exactly.
I mean, even if there was a downgrade, in exchange we got: huge ass open-world, lots of new animations, new tools for fighting and exploring and much more.
I'm more than willing to sacrifice some visual quality for some gameplay progresses.
Denton
Member
The original interview, in english, is available here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=84924572&v=S3TMq-qpHZA&x-yt-ts=1422411861
There are few other interesting questions.
Anyway, even if it was downgraded I would not really care since it looks fucking amazing. But it will be nice to see the scenes from trailer recreated in final build without loss of quality. Hopefully.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=84924572&v=S3TMq-qpHZA&x-yt-ts=1422411861
There are few other interesting questions.
Anyway, even if it was downgraded I would not really care since it looks fucking amazing. But it will be nice to see the scenes from trailer recreated in final build without loss of quality. Hopefully.
Supersampling will be it's own setting.
Primethius
Banned
I'm in the camp of thinking it's been downgraded but still think the game looks amazing.
However, given that ultra hasn't been shown, I hope to be wrong.
However, given that ultra hasn't been shown, I hope to be wrong.
macfoshizzle
Member
Your going to say this without a gif?
Any Questions
Member
Always on point
A gif of what? Click the text you quoted and follow the yellow brick road. A CDProjectRED rep says we'll be able to replicate the graphical fidelity of the more recent trailers with the Ultra setting. He says they'll look into releasing Ultra footage.
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
So there is still a chance it look like this ? damn I can't wait anymore for it, just give it to me !!
Yeah but your framerate will be equivalent to that gif.
Alcoholikaust
Member
thats why you get 2 980's or a titan.
matrixman92
Member
after dying light being unplayable at 720, with all settings on low on my rig that is above required specs....PC gaming as a whole scares me. Hope this game is playable for me at least, had it preordered on steam for a while now
There is nothing wrong with the word. It simply means the graphics of a game do not look as good as initially shown. Thats it.
All the rest may or may not be true depending on the game and developer. Its hardly like developers have not been known to outright lie their ass off to sell a product. See pretty much every game ever released for examples.
neogaffer1
Banned
I disagree in that if one were to look at recent footage and screens, and then footage from say the E3 2014 demo, you'd see that the lighting system is much more complex and realistic in the latter footage. Maybe it's just time of day difference or different area in the world, but it def. looks much better than the footage we're seeing now.
macfoshizzle
Member
Thank you for this, i hadnt seen this info yet.
Any Questions
Member
haha.. what i meant was this..
That was funking funny
SneakyStephan
Banned
No it isn't. You've never followed aliens colonial marines and what happened to that game.
Downgrades and false advertising are a real thing.
If I buy a washing mashine I don't expect to see ads about features that were cut from the product I'm actually buying, as that would be... false advertising.
Ubisoft also admitted they wilfully overproduce and overpolish their gameplay demos to a level that they KNOW they can't replicate in the full game, again this is willful false advertising.
Don't give them a free pass, there's a reason this shit is illegal
Yoda
Member
Massive fan of the W3 but I'll still believe it when I see it. It's hard for me to believe that with 2 substantial delays + they giving the VGA's a very downgraded trailer (they claim they didn't have enough time to make it properly) that everything is 100%. Chances are the consoles held back the original vision and the game was watered down as a result.
Krusenstern
Banned
So there is still a chance it look like this ? damn I can't wait anymore for it, just give it to me !!
These "Ultra" settings better make the game look like the scene in this gif or I call downgrade. Will find that exact place and compare.
Unless the place doesn't exist, which would be even more ridiculous.
Optimized as in, changed the design of some things entirely: see the king of the Wild Hunt.
Oh well, I'm done debating this all over the place. Game will look great, and aside for a few missing elements, such as enhanced particle effects, fog, and certain colored filters, current footage looks very close to the original.
Even if it is "downgraded" we can openly see what the game is now. It's not false advertising if they're being open about what the game looks like before we buy it. If we bought it and it ended up looking different, then I could understand an outrage. As it is now, it's just slightly disappointing as opposed to being ethically dubious.
Oh well, I'm done debating this all over the place. Game will look great, and aside for a few missing elements, such as enhanced particle effects, fog, and certain colored filters, current footage looks very close to the original.
Even if it is "downgraded" we can openly see what the game is now. It's not false advertising if they're being open about what the game looks like before we buy it. If we bought it and it ended up looking different, then I could understand an outrage. As it is now, it's just slightly disappointing as opposed to being ethically dubious.
Turin Turambar
Member
/tomayto/
/tomahto/
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Coreda
Member
I'm not expecting the game will have the same degree of detail they showed earlier. It made the game look so enticing for many people (from a visual standpoint), but we'll see.
Gurgelhals
Member
The problem with this gif (or, rather, the video it is taken from) is that there's a heavy sharpening filter in effect, which makes the game look better here, but would probably be an unplayable flickering mess when directly rendered to the screen. You'd either need a huge ass amount of supersampling in order to get rid of the flickering, but then you would be playing with a single digit framerate or you'd need to reduce the level of detail in order to get a cleaner image.
Excessive sharpening seems to be a thing for CDPR, they already did similar things in The Witcher 2.
Exactly. I'd like for people to categorically prove their claims, with meaningful side by side comparisons. If they cannot, then they're more than welcome to beat that drum after release.
I'm still not seeing anything in that GIF that seems optimistic compared to recent footage. Gotta remember that is a 1200x600 image, too.So there is still a chance it look like this ? damn I can't wait anymore for it, just give it to me !!