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I can't decide which decision is worse - the Wii U gamepad or Xbox One's Kinect
i dont get the point about needing memorize "oddly specific syntax."
XBOX ON
XBOX SNAP...
XBOX GO TO...
XBOX OFF
getting them to work is another matter entirely, as i understand some people seem to have difficulty doing so. ive personally had no such problems, but whatever.
idk. im excited about Kinect Sports Rivals and Xbox Fitness has been getting a lot of use from me. just keep the thing and announce a price drop. if youre at the point where youre paying ~400 for the console plus kinect and you still hate it that much then just dont use it. keep it in the box or whatever.
I can't decide which decision was worse - the Wii U gamepad or Xbox One's Kinect
Even at 400, youre still getting an inferior console compared to the competition.
$300 and then you will have people biting.
There's no system wide option to disable it?
Edit: And you can't reassign commands or teach new ones?
Yes, exactly, voice is sketchy enough as it is, you can't just limit it to exact phrases, that's ridiculous. Siri is a great example, because while I rarely use it, I don't have to memorize any commands to make a call or send a text if I actually want to use it.The point is you shouldnt have to in 2014...look at siri, you literally can say things multiple ways, in your normal tone of voice and it does what you want. having to say key phrases in a loud clear voice and still only get 80% responsiveness is pure trash.
Kinect isn't solely responsible for the X1 being underpowered. Blame it on MS trying to make a jack of all trades box instead of a gaming first box.
I'm sure there's an option in the menus to disable the voice recognition stuff, haven't checked yet myself cause last night was the first time I ran into this problem playing a multiplayer game. But you can't reassign command or teach any new ones.
Kinect isn't solely responsible for the X1 being underpowered. Blame it on MS trying to make a jack of all trades box instead of a gaming first box.
i dont get the point about needing memorize "oddly specific syntax."
XBOX ON
XBOX SNAP...
XBOX GO TO...
XBOX OFF
getting them to work is another matter entirely, as i understand some people seem to have difficulty doing so. ive personally had no such problems, but whatever.
idk. im excited about Kinect Sports Rivals and Xbox Fitness has been getting a lot of use from me. just keep the thing and announce a price drop. if youre at the point where youre paying ~400 for the console plus kinect and you still hate it that much then just dont use it. keep it in the box or whatever.
I wonder how market would respond to $349 w/o kinect and $449 with? Since it isnt needed or mandatory make it optional.
I can't decide which decision was worse - the Wii U gamepad or Xbox One's Kinect
If they weren't trying to keep the price differential low due to kinect they could have specced a higher end system. It's not just the kinect cost, it's what those costs took out of the budget for other parts too. Unless the kinect stuff adds $100 exactly to the price of manufacture, in which case I guess MS just screwed up their manufacturing and sourcing if Sony can get a better machine for the same retail price to consumers.
What the hell is the point if you can't reassign commands and the default commands direct to non obvious app use? Bloody hell. Removing options taken way too far.
I don't get why people think the Xbox One wouldn't have enough appeal if Kinect were optional. Consoles, even if underpowered compared to their competition, don't need a gimmick to generate interest. The Xbox One needs compelling games, and MS is doing a pretty good job in that department. I personally don't see myself ever using it as my main console, but I do want one for exclusives.
Exactly. Kinectless SKU @ $400 pls
I can't decide which decision was worse - the Wii U gamepad or Xbox One's Kinect
Actually I'm not sure removing kinect would have made any difference to the power of the machine. It would have been cheaper, sure. But the APU is already massive, MS couldn't realistically make that any bigger to increase GPU performance.
You'd need to remove the esram to do that. Possibly if MS didn't have kinect, and didn't have grand plans to be the media center in your living room, and didn't want to being windows 8 apps to Xbox one - then maybe they could have architected the machine around a smaller amount of GDDR5, allowing for a bigger GPU. But that is something baked in pretty early.
If they weren't trying to keep the price differential low due to kinect they could have specced a higher end system. It's not just the kinect cost, it's what those costs took out of the budget for other parts too. Unless the kinect stuff adds $100 exactly to the price of manufacture, in which case I guess MS just screwed up their manufacturing and sourcing if Sony can get a better machine for the same retail price to consumers.
What the hell is the point if you can't reassign commands and the default commands direct to non obvious app use? Bloody hell. Removing options taken way too far.
I don't get why people think the Xbox One wouldn't have enough appeal if Kinect were optional. Consoles, even if underpowered compared to their competition, don't need a gimmick to generate interest. The Xbox One needs compelling games, and MS is doing a pretty good job in that department. I personally don't see myself ever using it as my main console, but I do want one for exclusives.
You have to be very specific with the commands you use, for example you can't say "Xbox, go to Ryse" you have to say "Xbox, go to Ryse: Son of Rome" or else it won't work.
I dont think MS are slow or conservative like Nintendo, they are cutthroat, and will cut the throat of the Kinect sooner rather than later, if the sales continue as they have.
You have to be very specific with the commands you use, for example you can't say "Xbox, go to Ryse" you have to say "Xbox, go to Ryse: Son of Rome" or else it won't work.
"If you dont include the Kinect with every console, then the userbase will be fragmented and devs wont care about it, and consumers wont care about it either because devs wont make enough games for it, its a vicious circle!!"
..yeah, but what if consumers just do not care about it in the first place? Whether its included in the Xbox, whether its given for free on the streets? Then what?
Then you have a issue where you are selling a 500 dollar device, and your competitor is offering more for less, you got a problem.
I dont think MS are slow or conservative like Nintendo, they are cutthroat, and will cut the throat of the Kinect sooner rather than later, if the sales continue as they have.
If MS killed the Kinect they could probably take a slight hit in profits and lower the price to $349, at which point, with lots of super heavy marketing, they might still 'win' this gen. But time is running out pretty fast.
If MS killed the Kinect they could probably take a slight hit in profits and lower the price to $349, at which point, with lots of super heavy marketing, they might still 'win' this gen. But time is running out pretty fast.
Yes, exactly, voice is sketchy enough as it is, you can't just limit it to exact phrases, that's ridiculous. Siri is a great example, because while I rarely use it, I don't have to memorize any commands to make a call or send a text if I actually want to use it.
Ok that's just ridiculous. On the PS4 with the camera or the headset I'm pretty sure you don't need to say the full official name for a game and it'll still bring you there
It's interesting that you can (nearly/sort of) compare what Xbox one would be like if kinect was a peripheral. PS4 has an optional camera and no camera based games (I guess playroom - but is it a 'game' or more of a tech demo?)
I recall a post somewhere stating that PS4 camera is sold out in many places - so people will buy these things, but you need a reason - PS4 has streaming which is the current 'killer app' for the PS4 camera. Kinect currently doesn't have twitch streaming (or have I missed that) - but if microsoft had launched with it, then the camera would have had a purpose from day 1.
It's yet more evidence to suggest that the planning of the Xbox one was rushed.
Fair enough, don't know much about the design process.
I agree with the author that the Kinect should be a separate peripheral (though I would still buy it if I ever get around to buying a next-gen console), but I think what he fails to mention, and that this board fails to focus on is that MS isn't really competing with Sony, they're competing with Apple and Google. Microsoft's vision of the Xbox One is currently a failure not because it's weaker than the PS4, but because the voice and gesture controls currently seem to work only well enough to satisfy techies and early-adopters. You can be sure that when Apple release their new box, it will use natural language processing for voice commands, not this rigid "Xbox, go to..." that MS is currently using.
You have a point man. I just don't see the price dropping by more than $100 just because of Kinect. $350 would be a dream though.Do you really plan on buying a weaker system for the same price as ps4 that with the removal of kinect has no distinct features?
(Do things like tv even work with just the controller?)
I completely agree.
Mandatory Kinect is what's keeping me from buying a ONE.