BTHR Zero X
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I have said this Before.
They should have a strong Solo Campaign, then a Co-op Campaign which is its own story.
That way you get the best of both worlds.
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Capcom lists six series as "powerful titles", includes Devil May Cry and Lost Planet
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I have said this Before.
They should have a strong Solo Campaign, then a Co-op Campaign which is its own story.
That way you get the best of both worlds.
PensivePen
Member
DmC2 seems really unlikely at this point, I'm surprised by the number of people who think it's on the table. The game was a PR nightmare, had a really long development period, underperformed (to the point that it was the worst selling DMC game) and Itsuno and other Capcom staff had to be taken off of their own projects to assist Ninja Theory in development. And outside of PSABR they've used the original Dante in all of his cameo appearances (Project X Zone, Monster Hunter and Sengoku Basara) since. I think it's DMC5 or bust.
HolyBaikal
Banned
I not very into most of those franchises. :<
I wish Capcom would give Mega Man more attention.
I wish Capcom would give Mega Man more attention.
Lightning4Ever
Banned
Lost Planet 3 was such a shame.
More for the fact that it was actually a really fun and enjoyable game that people ignored.
More for the fact that it was actually a really fun and enjoyable game that people ignored.
Call that game anything else but lost planet, people will give it a minute.
Call it lost planet 3, people play it and say "That's not fucking lost planet" and it becomes a pariah.
Lightning4Ever
Banned
I guess I can't see how it's not Lost Planet.
That was my exact reaction upon playing Lost Planet 2
LP2 is just as much a pariah as LP3 is if we're talking about how different the games are from each other, especially as I loved Lost Planet 1 so much. That's all on Capcom though and purely their own fault.It's just as much a Lost Planet game as the other two are, that's the way I see it anyway.
But you must be careful what you wish for.
Like, this shit.
THIS SHIT RIGHT HERE.
Capcom, what the fuck were you thinking. I don't give a shit if you're mad, this shit right here ended up ruining the game you put it in for the first 3 months. You shits.
Madness.
I remember the first time I played LP3 at PAXEast maybe 3 months before it was due out, and I rememember my immediate reponse.
-"what do you mean T-ENG isn't vital to my survival?"
-"What do you mean the shooting is more like Dead Space than Lost planet?"
-"WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY GRAPPLING HOOK DOESN'T SHOOT ME ALL OVER THE MAP WHENEVER I WANT IT TO?!?"
-"WHAT (and this was the kicker for me) DO YOU MEAN I CAN'T ACTIVELY GET IN AND OUT OF MY MECH AND ANY TIME AND THAT MECH COMBAT IS RESTRICTED TO ARENA STYLE PUNCHOUT LEVELS?!!?!"
-"Man, fuck this, THIS ISN'T LOST PLANET".
To me, a big fan of the series, it was as if they had taken Street Fighter, and reduced to 1 punch and kick button. Just...restricted and reduced in every single possible facet. The writing was good, the actual character presentation was great! But shit dude, that wasn't not a lost planet game.
PensivePen
Member
But you must be careful what you wish for.
I always thought that was pretty funny. But most people didn't see it the same way. It probably didn't help that the game itself was a hot mess.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Wow, this is conflicting because the other day someone here told that DmC did pretty well even compared to previous DMC games. It apparently sold well but didn't mean Capcom's expectations.
Anyways, there's still that recent trademark that could be a "definitive version", sequel to DmC or maybe sequel to DMC.
DmC did 1.5 mill, to compare DMC2 did 1.7.
::Shrugs:: It's still the lowest selling Devil May Cry game to date
Well, they did get Inafune's permission for that version of MM to be in that game, so it's not as bad as it seems.
It was meant as a joke (although a really bad timed joke, by the time it was released).
Lightning4Ever
Banned
But you can get in and out of you mech whenever you want.
There are a couple times it locks you into it, but for the most part you're free to enter and exit it.
I thought fighting the Akrids in it was a lot of fun.
The shooting is more solid but perfect and I'm glad they took away the t-eng being constantly needed.
You should give it a shot, it's probably better than you think.
No, it's not the fact that he's in there that's the problem, it's the fact that his inclusion was done so haphazardly and in such a slapdash manner that it caused a bug that basically broke the game if you used him, and it took them FOREVER to patch it.
"Look how cute we are, it's funny, oh it broke everything, well shit, I don't know, whatever." - Capcom. Fuck.
It is a fine game. It is not terrible by any means.
But it ain't no Lost Planet.
Tidus_Great
Banned
powerful but fading series is what they should say.
it's basically like a 40 year old guy saying look how strong i used to be.
it's basically like a 40 year old guy saying look how strong i used to be.
BTHR Zero X
Member
I gave it a shot and compared to LPEC/C and LP2 it was a let down. Sure the story was solid.
But the Gameplay was not Lost Planet it was Generic Cover Shooter crap.
And taking away T-ENG took away a challenging factor. without it you could not heal. Now you auto heal like everyother dude bro shooter
I loved the attention to the RIG they gave in LP3. Instead of just being a disposable vehicle it has a history - Jim built it himself, it's the only one he has and it's his baby and meal ticket for earning that moola for his wife and child. That and the heaviness of the combat - grabbing the Akrids by the face and then smacking them around with the RIG hands. Cutting off their limbs and the heaviness of the fights. Man, so good.
That's not a video from Lost Planet 1.....
FrostuTheNinja
Member
Well, I figured Dragon's Dogma wouldn't even make the list...
As for Lost Planet, I finally grabbed EX Troopers for the PS3 and had more fun with it than most other action/shooters. Great time, sad that it never came out in the states. Still waiting on LP3 to hit a solid price on PC.
As for Lost Planet, I finally grabbed EX Troopers for the PS3 and had more fun with it than most other action/shooters. Great time, sad that it never came out in the states. Still waiting on LP3 to hit a solid price on PC.
paolo11
Member
Well, I figured Dragon's Dogma wouldn't even make the list...
As for Lost Planet, I finally grabbed EX Troopers for the PS3 and had more fun with it than most other action/shooters. Great time, sad that it never came out in the states. Still waiting on LP3 to hit a solid price on PC.
Are they any English Subtitles for EX Troopers?
BTHR Zero X
Member
The Train got heavily Nerfed
When you were on the small train the two big cannons that shot at you took 4 VS Riffle Shots on Easy, 6 on Normal, 8 on Hard, 10 - 12 on Extreme.
They now take 2 on any difficulty.
When you are facing Red Eye when he hits the train you just stumble and take little damage.
Before he would knock you off your feet and send you flying and cause heavy damage.
They dumded it down because people could not take the difficulty
Lightning4Ever
Banned
I really liked that as well. I loved taking it around and it added a lot of variety to the game with being able to enter it/exit it during combat as well as traversing areas.
LP3 was a really nice surprise for me.
Also yeah, fighting giant akrid in it was always awesome.
BTHR Zero X
Member
No but the story is simple to follow if you know the rest of the series so no translating is needed there. Just for unlockables and upgrades.
I don't doubt it. When I was playing that game I lot, I rarely got past this section because it was the hard stopping point for most people who had just picked up the game. Matchmaking would always put me in this stage because it was the stage that no one else had finished but me, the result of which caused me to not even really remember most of the game afterwards. That sequence is hella cool though.
The funny thing is, I don't even think it's that tough. If you stay on the train, everything is pretty rudimentary.
Lightning4Ever
Banned
If anything LP3 is more similar to LP1 than LP2 is.
Well LP3 is a prequel to LP1 and the story ties into it as well
They did a fantastic job with that, tying it in but not feeling forced.AgentOtaku
Member
FrostuTheNinja
Member
I can only speak for the Japanese version and no, no English subtitles. BUT the language barrier is basically nonexistent. I didn't use a guide and was able to complete the game with relative ease.
Lightning4Ever
Banned
AgentOtaku
Member
Yep
Just ordered it
One tip I would have for LP3 is play it on Normal. Hard's a bit too bullet spongy for my liking in comparison to Normal, Normal's just right.
I need to order it myself sometime soon too. Always forget about EX Troopers.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Generally, HD collections/Remasters are either cult classics, high sellers or hotly fan requested releases. most are a mixture of all three.
DmC is none of these things. Sure it has its fans but it underperformed, it is rather infamous rather than a cult classic and even amongst its fans a Remastered version isn't really hotly requested, especially as it has a PC version.
I wouldn't rule it out, but it wouldn't make that much sense.
In the fact that they both have single player story based campaigns, then yes.
But they handle completely differently. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I don't want story in LP, I do. But LP3 sacrifices everything that made LP1 a great game to play in order to have a much slower more plodding pace that's more similar to Dead Space than the previous two games. You had to be quick to survive those things.
A combination of the two would be great. But at this point, that feels about as likely as a combination of DmC and DMC5.
Genuine question, regardless of how we disagree about what's Lost Planet etc if you had to take a guess what direction do you think they will go in with a new one ? I honestly couldn't even take a guess. I think it's safe to say we won't get another LP3 or at least that style but I couldn't even begin to guess what Capcom would do.
Also, I know EX Troopers can be played in coop but is it more fun solo than LP2 ?
I had enjoyed the Lost Planet series for what it is, and DMC was alright. I never cared for the Street Fighter series (though I do love Cyberbots, Rival Schools, Tatsunoko VS. Capcom, & Power Stone) & I would be thankful if Capcom Japan stays far away from the Mega Man series, as I don't trust them with the I.P.
BTHR Zero X
Member
I agree there. I still play it on the PS3. I was a big Xbox Player untill they messed up my account.
But I beat every LP on there before I moved over (LP3 wasn't out then)
So if you are PS3 player and still have it hit me up my PSN is BTHRZeroX. just put NeoGaf LP2 as a message.
Augemitbutter
Member
they have to make at least one more Dragon's Dogma in order to put it on the list
don't let it go to waste.
don't let it go to waste.
Depends who's heading it. If Jun does it again, probably more like 2. You gotta remember, that DS Lost Planet EX game was where all the 75% finish assets from MML3 went, so it might have been easier to make that a single player game by default (I don't know, i'm no game designer).
But yeah, depends on who the project lead. I doubt we'll get any Korean actors to be our MC again, but who knows. In a perfect world, Jun heads up design and development while the writers and scenario directors from LP3 chime in so we have a much more focused, serious story that plays more on people's emotions than the...dumb anime bullshit that is LP1's story, and let the two mix together.
I mean, let's get real here. DmC, the biggest problem with that game is how it plays. It is a competent action game akin to stuff like Afro Samurai and Yaiba. That's simply not good enough for a game with DMC's pedigree, but from a narrative and from an artistic standpoint, DmC was doing things that's LIGHTYEARS beyond anything we've seen in a Devil May Cry game to date. That "Fuck you" scene, though it's easy to make fun of, is fucking GREAT. The entire Faux News stage is amazing. There are a LOT of good ideas in DmC that don't center around the fact that Donte is a shit. But the combat is pretty garbage and you go to a DmC game for combat. It's the same thing, if DMC was called anything else and wasn't a Devil May Cry game, it wouldn't have caught NEARLY the shit that it did. But people have expectations of what a Devil May Cry game is supposed to be, and DmC didn't meet the standard.
What needs to happen is those great artistic ideas need to be massaged into a wonderful combat system like DMC3 and 4 had so we get the best of both worlds. If Capcom InHouse doesn't have art designers or scenario designers who can make up a story that fits, it's time to look in other places for that stuff. Could you imagine an Afro Samurai game with DMC4's combat? I'd be fucking amazing.
It's a worldwide market and it's not about inhouse or outsourced, it's about finding people who are passionate about what they do and can add the most to your project. Japanese stories have been lacking lately, so maybe it's time to find someone somewhere else to come in and try something new.
AgentOtaku
Member
This would be magnificent...
So many of you want sequels to Capcom franchises not on that list. Why would you want new Capcom to make these games? They would just ruin the sequels. Look at Resident Evil and Street Fighter, both empty shells of their former selves.
I'll be happy if they leave the old good franchises alone to be honest with you.
I'll be happy if they leave the old good franchises alone to be honest with you.
I would put DmC on the same level as an afro samurai or a yaiba. I like a lot about that game, I think the combat is just straight bad. I think GOW has better combat than DmC.
It's even in the title!
DmC has a way better combat system than any GoW game.
A poor man's DMC is still better than most action games out there.
I don't even understand the comparison to Yaiba. Yaiba is an unplayable mess, the controls are bad, the camera is bad, the combat options are bad, the AI is bad and it's extremely QTE heavy + button mash friendly. It's the bottom of the barrel as far as action games go and is an affront to the NG name. DmC is a highly playable and solid action game with a lot of combat options, QTE free and contains solid camera/controls.
A poor man's DMC is still better than most action games out there.
I don't even understand the comparison to Yaiba. Yaiba is an unplayable mess, the controls are bad, the camera is bad, the combat options are bad, the AI is bad and it's extremely QTE heavy + button mash friendly. It's the bottom of the barrel as far as action games go and is an affront to the NG name. DmC is a highly playable and solid action game with a lot of combat options, QTE free and contains solid camera/controls.
Naw man, SF4 is great. I'm just...tired of it. I'll still get Ultra because honestly, the 1 thing they were going to do to get me back into SF4 was make it SF-Tekken. SF is one of those franchises that's still in good hands.
RE...well....I mean sure.
I'd rather have new stuff too, I want Capcom to surprise me. But I don't trust them to do it.