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Kotaku: Bethesda is misleading gamers about Prey 2, Arkane is in fact making game
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Prey 2 (System Shock 3) concept docs have surface online. It's targeting a 2016 Q3 release.
7DollarHagane
Banned
If its truly 2016 we won't hear about it until next e3 at the earliest.
It's a torrent link. My guess is that would be frowned upon. It's easy to find. I found it through Twitter.
KillerIsJed
Member
Why do you say that? Watch_Dogs was shown off at E3 2012
TheSinkingKnight
Member
Why's System Shock 3 being referred to here? Does Prey really fit with that series?
I may be wrong but that should be fine for a document. It's not a game or some other purchasable media. If not, you should be able to rehost it somewhere.
Spring-Loaded
Member
What will Bethesda do to Arkane once they've finished the new version of Prey 2?
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
I thought the movie industry did real well when the director is mentioned before the trailer is shown.
Dishonored was a charm of game. The world, characters, and pace were very well put together. I don't think this is something to really cause problems. Prey was delayed for what 10 years? And still it was a mediocre shooter that was relatively short. Actually, it was a pretty decent game. I don't know if it's the Turok of this generation though.
Didn't Kevin Pereira have a receipt from his preorder back in 1995 on Attack of the Show?
Dishonored was a charm of game. The world, characters, and pace were very well put together. I don't think this is something to really cause problems. Prey was delayed for what 10 years? And still it was a mediocre shooter that was relatively short. Actually, it was a pretty decent game. I don't know if it's the Turok of this generation though.
Didn't Kevin Pereira have a receipt from his preorder back in 1995 on Attack of the Show?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Interesting stuff.
boutrosinit
Street Fighter IV World Champion
Technically Bioshock?
I'm not going to distribute it. Just wanted to give folks a heads up that it's out there.
It's super early since it details 4 different approaches for the sequel:
An Origin story, RetroFuture, a Ricardo Bare and Ralph story treatment, and a direction called "The Island".
Here's an example of the RetroFuture direction:
I have no way of knowing if it's genuine or not. I thought Arkane's initial pitch was for a RetroFuture vampire game, and that they only accepted Prey 2 because it was set in the future? If it's legit, I guess someone inside of Arkane isn't too happy about the project. I can't imagine taking over a property another team supported for nearly a decade.
Yep, that's one design doc-ass, design doc.
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
No, it does not. At all.
Also, the spiritual successor to SS2 is Dead Space. Which is now also (un)dead and buried. Oh, the irony.
this sounds like bull to me.
SketchTheArtist
Member
I hate people like Kotaku who help stick metal rods in the wheels of these projects.
As if it wasn't stressful enough that these guys are working 3-4-5 years on a game that they truely believe in and hope it might resonate with enough people and validate the time and effort they put in and then these terrible individuals decide they need people to come see the news they just created because they can't write decent, thoughtful, well-researched, interesting and diverse articles and in-depth features that might lead to a more coherent audience rather than wasting it on spreading unresponsible leaks and false controversies.
As if it wasn't stressful enough that these guys are working 3-4-5 years on a game that they truely believe in and hope it might resonate with enough people and validate the time and effort they put in and then these terrible individuals decide they need people to come see the news they just created because they can't write decent, thoughtful, well-researched, interesting and diverse articles and in-depth features that might lead to a more coherent audience rather than wasting it on spreading unresponsible leaks and false controversies.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
The studio developing Prey 2 had nothing to do with System Shock 2.
Bioshock, which was developed by 2K Boston, also formerly known as Irrational Games (Which is now dead) developed System Shock 2 and created Bioshock as a spiritual successor.
I'm calling bullshit
I feel the exact same way. There's no way I would ever consider supporting this project considering how Bethesda treated Human Head. Despicable stuff.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Compelling but a ways off.
No, nothing at all like every jackhole Gaf-er who kneejerk reacts to ever posting or personnel change from a studio.
Please do yourself a favor and get over yourself.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Speaking of which, why did Bethesda pull that shit? If the game was nearly complete, why did they completely nuke the project?
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Established IP's always sell better, just a fact.
I know, right? It's like those killjoys at The Guardian ruining all the NSAs work. Real shame.
Zenimax attempted to purchase the studio in an aggressive fashion. Human Head Studios is one of the only independent developers with the chops to improve id-tech.
After the hostile buyout attempt failed they couldn't continue with the project as Human Head owned parts of the tech and, according to ex-HH devs, they also have the source code. Obsidian tried to reserve engineer it, but I imagine it was too much work.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...cks-lie-that-prey-2-was-only-ever-just-a-demo
http://au.ign.com/articles/2013/06/05/what-went-wrong-with-human-heads-prey-2
http://kotaku.com/the-strange-prey-2-situation-1134835391
KillerIsJed
Member
Nice try, that was my paste, I put up the second one as well.
Spring-Loaded
Member
Agreed. Even thoughin it happens elsewhere in this industry to varying degrees, this was blatant enough to gain exposure. It's rare we get such a peek into such shady business, so I'll definitely be sure to not support Bethesda from now on, and I'll be sure to mention what they've done here whenever this is brought up. It may be legal, but everyone is free to pass judgment on their practices.
My understanding of the events went as following. I could be wrong in some respects, though.
They wanted to try and force HumanHead to sell to them. Zenimax was looking to make investors happy by having good teams to develop good games. You can imagine that as an investor, you wouldn't be too happy about: WET, Rogue Warrior, and Hunted: The Demon Forge and wanted Zenimax to produce better products.
Zenimax didn't really have the time to start their own nor want to spend too much money, so they started pulling a bunch of shady bullshit on HumanHead to strong arm them into being acquired for next to nothing.
HumanHead obviously didn't budge so Zenimax was like "Fuck ya'll then" and decided to reboot Prey 2. You may be thinking, that must've cost Zenimax a lot of money but IIRC HumanHead spent a lot of time doing work without getting paid for it thinking everything would eventually be sorted.
SeventhSon
Member
So this is where that tag came from.
Hard to grasp sarcasm when it is that obvious?
You can take the glorious fame. I don't need it.
You're right, especially since there's not even a developer or story connection now. Whoever decided to pursue the property in the first place would look incompetent if they never use it, especially since they are five years into developing a sequel. That's why they would have to frame it as the pursuit of quality.
It's certainly Prey 2 in name only now.
Kotaku is an independent source. They are not part of Bethesda, obliged to Bethesda or under a contract with Bethesda. And Jason Schreier did a fine job - in fact how he handled it reminded me of how Kotaku used to be in the old days - and that is a perfect example of game journalism in its finest. His job is to report with clarity and transparency and he did that.
Mad respect to Jason.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Kotaku is an independent source. They are not part of Bethesda, obliged to Bethesda or under a contract with Bethesda. And Jason Schreier did a fine job - in fact how he handled it reminded me of how Kotaku used to be in the old days - and that is a perfect example of game journalism in its finest. His job is to report with clarity and transparency and he did that.
Mad respect to Jason.
The sweet pimp slap of justicevengeance.
shacklesmcgee
Member
That's where Press Sneak Fuck comes from? haha wow
bigboss370
Member
only reason i'm interested in this is because of that video walkthrough we got before the game got "cancelled". Now I'm afraid all of that has been scrapped.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Excellent.
Kotaku is an independent source. They are not part of Bethesda, obliged to Bethesda or under a contract with Bethesda. And Jason Schreier did a fine job - in fact how he handled it reminded me of how Kotaku used to be in the old days - and that is a perfect example of game journalism in its finest. His job is to report with clarity and transparency and he did that.
Mad respect to Jason.
LiquidSolid
Member
The IGN link you posted is the most important one to show how scummy Bethesda is. And according to a thread we had last year, it wasn't the first time they'd done this too. Arkane was apparently a victim of some similar moves, though in that case Bethesda actually succeeded in acquiring them.
IrishNinja
Member
that jason's a good lad
and yeah, personally after the skyrim ps3 mess im not inclined to take bethesda at face value much these days
and yeah, personally after the skyrim ps3 mess im not inclined to take bethesda at face value much these days
Kotaku is an independent source. They are not part of Bethesda, obliged to Bethesda or under a contract with Bethesda. And Jason Schreier did a fine job - in fact how he handled it reminded me of how Kotaku used to be in the old days - and that is a perfect example of game journalism in its finest. His job is to report with clarity and transparency and he did that.
Mad respect to Jason.
i don't have a problem with kotaku or anyone else reporting on leaks/rumors, and i think bethesda's response was inappropriate, but come on. the press isn't 'obliged to' publishers, but the same is true the other way around. publishers have business/marketing plans for their games, and (validity of said plans aside,) sticking to them is their prerogative. if it's ok for the press to undermine those plans for their own gain (or face-saving), i'm not sure i understand why it isn't ok for publishers to do the same to the press.