100% agree! They can go have entertainment con somewhere else.
At this point, it'd be easier to move the comics thing to the rumpus room at the local Chuck E Cheese than to move all the other stuff.
100% agree! They can go have entertainment con somewhere else.
Why should I avert my eyes (and lens) in your magnificent presence? Get over yourself and don't go out like that if you can't handle people looking at you and taking your photo without your permission.
Like why not "Hi, my name is Bob. Do you mind if I take candid shots of you for a couple of minutes? I think it'd look cool. I'll show you what I get."I'm kind of confused here. I take you you are a photographer or are into photography? Is it necessary to your craft to focus on specific people and take candid photos of them? Ignoring the concerns that nobody is really raising to begin with ("oh, so my wide crowd shot requires everyone in the shot's permission now?"), I'm honestly trying to ascertain whether or not people who consider themselves passionate fans of photography think that being able to take pictures of people without permission is necessary and why.
I'm kind of confused here. I take it you are a photographer or are into photography? Is it necessary to your craft to focus on specific people and take candid photos of them? Ignoring the concerns that nobody is really raising to begin with ("oh, so my wide crowd shot requires everyone in the shot's permission now?"), I'm honestly trying to ascertain whether or not people who consider themselves passionate fans of photography think that being able to take pictures of people without permission is necessary and why.
I'm kind of confused here. I take it you are a photographer or are into photography? Is it necessary to your craft to focus on specific people and take candid photos of them? Ignoring the concerns that nobody is really raising to begin with ("oh, so my wide crowd shot requires everyone in the shot's permission now?"), I'm honestly trying to ascertain whether or not people who consider themselves passionate fans of photography think that being able to take pictures of people without permission is necessary and why.
Attacking photographers? What are you talking about? You've weaved this narrative that people saying photographers should ask for permission is somehow against photographers. It is not. It is about respecting other people.So post more dripping sarcastic posts attacking photographers I guess?
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Why should I avert my eyes (and lens) in your magnificent presence? Get over yourself and don't go out like that if you can't handle people looking at you and taking your photo without your permission.
That's fine if you don't agree, but legally that's not the case.
Like I said,I'd rather a guideline than a rule. Legislating decency has mixed results. Bring awareness instead.
So people itt want to make it against the rules to take a picture of a cosplayer at comic con even when the picture is not taken with any sort of creepy intentions?
If so, that's a bit stupid. The crowds there are crazy. And people pushing you from almost every angle along with security constantly berating you to keep moving means that I'm not always going to stop and ask your permission to take a picture of your cool iron man cosplay.
And enforcing such a rule would be nearly impossible.
I think the person being photographed has more of a say of what's appropriate considering they're the one in the photo.Hey, sometimes you don't get what you want with restricting other peoples photography rights, funny that. You want to change the photography rules, not me.
I don't have a problem determining what is an appropriate photo, my problem would be other people reviewing and approving/denying a photo as "appropriate" based on their own gut instinct. Fuck that.
Imagine you see some guy dressed as flash running through a corridor because he's late to some panel. That looks cool. Do you now take a picture or try to stop him, ask him for a picture, and then tell him to keep running?Is it really that hard to get consent? It isn't even necessary to exchange words most of the time, just read the facial expressions - point a camera at someone, she strikes a pose, there, you have consent.
Yes but the question is how many people feel paranoid and uncomfortable.
Cosplay is only becoming more and more popular with Cosplay Heroes helping it become even more mainstream. SDCC attendence is crazy high with no sign of it stopping or people not coming dressed up.
I get people should not be allowed to take upskirt shots and what not but I wonder how often does this stuff happen. I mean someone taking a shot of Jean Grey from behind is a lot less serious then someone taking an upskirt shot.
Nobody should feel harrassed but in an overly sexualized situation like some Cosplay situations are, is it really a big deal that someone takes a zoomed in pic of Jean Grey's but? All of these photos are going on people facebook anyways and people are walking around in public like that.
Have you been to comic con recently? Having to get consent everytime you want to take a picture even if that consent is just "approving eye contact" is a stupid rule when you take into account just how much noise, congestion, ect. Is everywhere.Well where I'm from that's actually the law, you can't take pictures of people without consent, even in public spaces - seems to work just fine. This thread is more about what the law (at that particular event) or the convention should be.
Is it really that hard to get consent? It isn't even necessary to exchange words most of the time, just read the facial expressions - point a camera at someone, she strikes a pose, there, you have consent.
E2: Entertainment ExpoThere are like, hundreds of other Comicons like you describe already, though. If anything, they should just change the name of SDCC and let it continue to evolve into what it has become: E3 for everything.
I feel compelled to preface this by noting that I'm sighing as I type this, but do you think that someone objecting to you taking a candid picture of them in a costume at a convention is directly comparable to angry people committing illegal acts of violence against law enforcement?
I'd say he's a pretty shitty Flash if he can't make it on time!Imagine you see some guy dressed as flash running through a corridor because he's late to some panel. That looks cool. Do you now take a picture or try to stop him, ask him for a picture, and then tell him to keep running?
Solution seems obvious. Everyone should wear a sign saying if they do or don't give permission to having their unsolicited picture taken.
Job done.
I'm kind of confused here. I take it you are a photographer or are into photography? Is it necessary to your craft to focus on specific people and take candid photos of them? Ignoring the concerns that nobody is really raising to begin with ("oh, so my wide crowd shot requires everyone in the shot's permission now?"), I'm honestly trying to ascertain whether or not people who consider themselves passionate fans of photography think that being able to take pictures of people without permission is necessary and why.
Have you been to comic con recently? Having to get consent everytime you want to take a picture even if that consent is just "approving eye contact" is a stupid rule when you take into account just how much noise, congestion, ect. Is everywhere.
I'm not going to take a picture of your ass as that is creepy. But I dont see why I shouldn't be allowed to take a full body picture of a cosplay I like without asking them for permission beforehand.
If I have time to ask permission I will as I agree it is polite. But taking a picture of a well designed costume as I pass by while in a large crowd isn't impolite in the slightest. And people arguing that it is must never have attended comic con.
Abd arguing that people who do the above should be kicked out of the con is just stupid.
At this point, it'd be easier to move the comics thing to the rumpus room at the local Chuck E Cheese than to move all the other stuff.
Imagine you see some guy dressed as flash running through a corridor because he's late to some panel. That looks cool. Do you now take a picture or try to stop him, ask him for a picture, and then tell him to keep running?
Or even easier you can act like a human being and restrain yourself from doing stupid things without others permission.
What do you do for a living? If my job is to go for my magazine or website as a journalist and go cover comic con, taking pictures isn't "stupid" or "inhuman" it's my living and you can bet your sweet ass I'm not going to ask every single person I shoot for permission. Ninety per cent of my shots would look staged as hell and I'd maybe get a tenth of the required amount.Or even easier you can act like a human being and restrain yourself from doing stupid things without others permission.
Why is your cosplay hobby somehow more important than my photography hobby?
As a photojournalist you would have a release form and probably a badge indicating you were press. Last I checked, photographers don't get paid by the photograph. And no, no one is calling all photographers creeps. It really isn't hard to ask if you can take a photo.What do you do for a living? If my job is to go for my magazine or website as a journalist and go cover comic con, taking pictures isn't "stupid" or "inhuman" it's my living and you can bet your sweet ass I'm not going to ask every single person I shoot for permission. Ninety per cent of my shots would look staged as hell and I'd maybe get a tenth of the required amount.
Get off your high horse, you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Not every person with a camera deserves to be verbally lynched and labeled as a creep because of people like you. For a lot of us it's a paycheque.
Kinda feels like you're completely ignoring the intent of the proposed changes to SDCC policy because the rights of jerks taking creepshots are inviolable or something.
Not paid by number of photos no, but you'll have a much smaller pool to draw from if you don't have time to just snap away. The press badge thing is a good point though I thought about that as soon as I posted.As a photojournalist you would have a release form and probably a badge indicating you were press. Last I checked, photographers don't get paid by the photograph. And no, no one is calling all photographers creeps. It really isn't hard to ask if you can take a photo.
I agree, I think it's fucking ridiculous that people dressed up in costumes at an event like this are bothered that other people are taking pictures of them. This whole freakout is people looking for an excuse to make a big deal about something. Don't want your picture taken? Don't wear a brightly coloured and/or sexy costume when your entire point for doing so is to get attention and then complain when it happens. People need to fucking relax.
Yup. And besides most professional photographers will take several pictures of the same subject to make sure they get the best one.Not paid by number of photos no, but you'll have a much smaller pool to draw from if you don't have time to just snap away. The press badge thing is a good point though I thought about that as soon as I posted.
Fringe cases? Have you been to comic con?Imagine a world in which convention attendees would be discouraged from taking photos of cosplayers at will, without permission. What if I couldn't take this photo I decided I wanted to take? The horror.
Edit: One of the most annoying ways people argue against stuff like this is to stretch out the hypothetical policy to its extreme and say "oh, look it doesn't work in this very specific fringe case, this is a very bad idea."
As a photojournalist you would have a release form and probably a badge indicating you were press. Last I checked, photographers don't get paid by the photograph. And no, no one is calling all photographers creeps. It really isn't hard to ask if you can take a photo.
Give me a break. I bartended at a theatre for a summer, and if there's one thing I learned, it's that people who design and creat costumes and then wear them out in public LOVE getting the attention. Whether it be compliments on the costume itself, or the techniques, the accuracy etc... They put a lot of work into it and they like hearing about it. Thinking otherwise is silly.What, because people like to dress up they automatically do it for attention?
Shockingly "doing a double take" isn't at all what is being complained about.
Huh. I guess I was taught differently in school. Or maybe that was just the school being careful.Many websites do pay by the photo. I did a bit of freelance for Comic-Con a few years ago and we received a certain amount per unique photograph. I believe release forms are relatively rare for press photographers in the United States as well.
And there we go, taking a photo is now inhumane.Or even easier you can act like a human being and restrain yourself from doing stupid things without others permission.
What do you do for a living? If my job is to go for my magazine or website as a journalist and go cover comic con, taking pictures isn't "stupid" or "inhuman" it's my living and you can bet your sweet ass I'm not going to ask every single person I shoot for permission. Ninety per cent of my shots would look staged as hell and I'd maybe get a tenth of the required amount.
Get off your high horse, you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Not every person with a camera deserves to be verbally lynched and labeled as a creep because of people like you. For a lot of us it's a paycheque.
Edit: after reading your comments in the display gallery thread I've come to to the conclusion that you have a HUGE personal issue with this entire concept. Please ignore my reply, you've taken a pretty hard stance on this and it's very clear you're not going to budge.
I agree, I think it's fucking ridiculous that people dressed up in costumes at an event like this are bothered that other people are taking pictures of them. This whole freakout is people looking for an excuse to make a big deal about something. Don't want your picture taken? Don't wear a brightly coloured and/or sexy costume when your entire point for doing so is to get attention and then complain when it happens. People need to fucking relax.
And there we go, taking a photo is now inhumane.
Did you read any of the actual article before getting angry?Jesus Christ, the way things are going these "groups" will ask us to sign a contract to talk to a woman. Banning people from even taking photos at such an event is such a ridiculous suggestion, they do realize that people take photos of other things other than the cosplayers, right? Really makes you wonder what's next.
Did you read any of the actual article before getting angry?
Where did they suggest "banning people from even taking photos at such an event"?Yes I did, did you?
I don't think anybody in the thread is supporting groping.Groping is uncalled for sexual harassment.
Where did they suggest "banning people from even taking photos at such an event"?
And that should not be tolerated in any fashion.Groping is uncalled for sexual harassment.
It's pretty easy. If the person says they don't want you taking a photo of them, you don't take a photo. If they see you taking a photo of them and ask you to delete it, delete it.They pretty much suggest that or they're fucking naive. There are 40MP cameras even in smartphones nowadays, how will they know if I'm taking a surreptitious "photo" of a cosplayer or the thing in front of her? Will they have a special panel judging the morality of each photo?