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[mr jones]

When Q wanted to knock Picard's ego down a peg or two, he introduced him and his crew to the Borg. They were terrifying. They analyzed you, and assimilated you. They were all one conciousness. You destroy one, the next one comes with better defenses. They won't stop adapting, and they won't stop trying to conquer you. Picard knew he was fucked, and had to depend on Q to get out of dodge.

And the Borg was made worse ever since.

They were awesome because they were simple. They weren't malicious. They didn't have any human like reasoning for doing what they do. There was no individuality. There was just Borg. Once that formula was changed, they were no longer cool.

Why was there a Locutus of Borg? Why wasn't he just Borg? There should be no individuality. Once Picard was assimilated, that should have been it. All of his knowledge incorporated, and the Enterprise either compromised, or destroyed.

Why the hell was there a Borg queen? WTF??? They are now a bunch of android bees now? Plus she was such a smug bitch... this twist in the Borg mythos posed me off. I hated the Borg after this.

Plus they made the Borg weaker. I loved it when they were an unstoppable force. I was ready for ALL of the political forces in Star Trek to join together to combat the Borg, because anything else would be futile. But they nerfed the most powerful enemy in Star Trek, so... meh.

Is there anything that could be done to make the Borg formidable again?

 

[Partial Gamification]

[...]

Is there anything that could be done to make the Borg formidable again?

Sins of a Solar Empire with one of the star trek mods.

 

[Esch]

because Voyager is pure garbage

 

[G-Fex]

I don't know, I liked them in First Contact.

But them being afraid of species 8458 whatever was really...bad.

 

[foxtrot3d]

because Voyager is pure garbage

.

Spoiler

I'll add ST: First Contact as well.

 

[MisterHero]

I think Locutus had to exist because they wanted Picard's knowledge. Regular Borgs are just meat.

 

[Shapingo]

Species 8472 came along

 

[Currygan]

because Voyager is pure garbage

and we're done here

 

[Delta Assault]

I think Locutus had to exist because they wanted Picard's knowledge. Regular Borgs are just meat.

I'm pretty sure regular Borg get their knowledge taken as well.

Locutus existed because they wanted a spokesman, someone to facilitate the assimilation of Earth.

 

[Cutebrute]

As bad as most of the Next Gen movies are, I enjoyed FC the least because of how stupid the whole Borg concept was and that the time travel shtick in this particular story didn't sit well with me.

Other than the Locutus bit in particular, I generally enjoyed the Borg in TNG.

 

[Currygan]

best thing about FC was the trailer, Data being a badass and the first ten minutes showing a huge battle, which was great


seriously, that trailer was amazing, I was so pumped. it would make a great addition to that "Trailers better than movies" thread

 

[benjipwns]

They weren't really nerfed it's just that they ran into the galaxy's greater terror, Captain Kathryn Janeway.

Anyone would seem weaksauce against that kind of evil.

 

[antonz]

The Borg hoped they could conquer Earth peacefully by having one of their "leaders" become a spokesman for how awesome the borg are. As insufficient as the Federation was to defend itself against the borg they were willing to fight to the end.

There is a degree of human exceptionalism to it all really. You hear how the borg treat everyone else and there is no attempt to pacify before assimilation just destruction.

As for what they do to the borg long term. Voyager was poorly done and it le to the borg having to be neutered or Voyager would be a short series.

 

[MisterHero]

I'm pretty sure regular Borg get their knowledge taken as well.

Locutus existed because they wanted a spokesman, someone to facilitate the assimilation of Earth.

You're right; I forgot. It wasn't until Voyager that they really explained the victims retained their consciousness.

 

[catmincer]

Read the relaunch novels and it gets even weirder.

 

[Volimar]

Don't read the relaunch novels.

 

[BassForever]

Basically this can all be summarized with a simple "fuck you rick berman" and a variety of other rlm review quotes.

 

[G-Fex]

Read the relaunch novels and it gets even weirder.

there's borgs in the reboot?

 

[DrForester]

Voyager needed a villain, and the main villain they tried to create (the Kazon) was terrible.

Also the writers fear of making the woman captain look weak resulted in them making a Mary sue who could solve everything and thus she alone could defeat the Borg.

Even the villains after "Scorpion" weren't that good. Species 8472 was nerfed, and other new villains like the Hirogen were pretty much crap.

 

[Escape Goat]

The vidiians were pretty terrifying.

 

[MisterHero]

Janeway didn't succeed. The only survivors of the Voyager crisis were Harry Kim and Naomi Wildman. The rest are dirty clones!

 

[G-Fex]

Janeway didn't succeed. The only survivors of the Voyager crisis were Harry Kim and Naomi Wildman. The rest are dirty clones!

hey Harry Kim gave his life for the crew!

 

[Tesseract]

first contact is moby dick in space, the queen was the white whale

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

there's borgs in the reboot?

The Relaunch novels are a series of published fanfictions novels that take place after the end of TNG/DS9/Voyager.

first contact is moby dick in space, the queen was the white whale

...and now I'm listing to Leviathan again. Thanks.

 

[benjipwns]

there's borgs in the reboot?

Not the Abrams reboot universe, the "relaunch" novels for TNG/DS9/VOY that cover "after the series ended" and in the case of TNG in between some of the movies.

The first wave of DS9 ones were good (especially A Stitch in Time). Things sorta derailed though in recent years when Enterprise and Janeway and The Borg got involved.

 

[G-Fex]

The Relaunch novels are a series of published fanfictions novels that take place after the end of TNG/DS9/Voyager.



...and now I'm listing to Leviathan again. Thanks.

Not the Abrams reboot universe, the "relaunch" novels for TNG/DS9/VOY that cover "after the series ended" and in the case of TNG in between some of the movies.

The first wave of DS9 ones were good (especially A Stitch in Time). Things sorta derailed though in recent years when Enterprise and Janeway and The Borg got involved.

Oh okay I see.

 

[Volimar]

Voyager needed a villain, and the main villain they tried to create (the Kazon) was terrible.

Also the writers fear of making the woman captain look weak resulted in them making a Mary sue who could solve everything and thus she alone could defeat the Borg.

Even the villains after "Scorpion" weren't that good. Species 8472 was nerfed, and other new villains like the Hirogen were pretty much crap.

I liked the idea of the Kazon. The idea that Voyager's advanced technology made it a huge target for plunder from species with inferior technology.

 

[Escape Goat]

I read one book and it really did read like fabric lifted off the internet. All the main characters were interacting. Ezri Dax was a captain of a starship and tuvok was assigned to Rikers ship.

 

[Nuklear]

The Q was OP not the Borg. Q was a stupid character and should have never been introduced.

 

[TheBahaBlast]

.

Spoiler

I'll add ST: First Contact as well.

You are correct about Voyager. Concerning your spoiler though...

 

[Escape Goat]

The Q was OP not the Borg. Q was a stupid character and should have never been introduced.

Shut your whore mouth.

 

[DrForester]

bah

 

[DrForester]

I liked the idea of the Kazon. The idea that Voyager's advanced technology made it a huge target for plunder from species with inferior technology.

The problem was they just made the Kazon the Klingon Lite of the Delta Quadrant.

The Q was OP not the Borg. Q was a stupid character and should have never been introduced.

Q really was a strange being. He was an incredibly awesome character, but most of his episodes were meh or worse.

Great Q Episodes:
Q-Who
Deja-Q
Tapestry
All Good Things...

Meh or worse
Encounter at Farpoint
Hide and Q
True Q
Q-Pid
Q-Less
Death Wish
The Q And The Grey
Q2

 

[G-Fex]

Hirogen were like predator-lite

 

[SwiftDeath]

So if you're a collective, should that question be "Why was the Borg nerfed" or "Why were the Borg nerfed"?

 

[IISANDERII]

They were awesome because they were simple. They weren't malicious. They didn't have any human like reasoning for doing what they do. There was no individuality. There was just Borg. Once that formula was changed, they were no longer cool.

It was cool but I don't think it could be narratively interesting for long. If it's just so single minded and relentless, there'd be no dialogue or much of a story, only action.
Maybe they should've saved the Borg for the JJ Abraham films LOL

 

[Sax Russel]

Hey remember when the Borg and Romulans brought Kirk back to life and then sent him to kill Riker but he got captured and turned back to the light side so then him and Picard took the Defiant to the Borg homeworld and blew it up? Wasn't that fun.

 

[Tesseract]

So if you're a collective, should that question be "Why was the Borg nerfed" or "Why were the Borg nerfed"?

was, not rly tho

depends on context, militarily i'd use were

 

[TheVampire]

Species 8472 came along

Species 8472 - Borg war was awesome.

They should have let Species 8472 wipe out the Borg and then once that was done counter 8472 with those nanoweapon things they made which worked against them.

 

[MoxManiac]

The line must be drawn HERE

 

[G-Fex]

Borg? Sounds swedish

 

[AnotherNils]

My favorite part of the Borg is how every new encounter, somehow they forgot how to stop hand phasers.

>fire phaser
>borg dies
>fire phaser
>borg shield
They're adapting!

They must clear that knowledge out of cache after each encounter or something.

 

[Partial Gamification]

first contact is moby dick in space, the queen was the white whale

Instead of his leg he lost his character! I see it.

 

[benjipwns]

Hey remember when the Borg and Romulans brought Kirk back to life and then sent him to kill Riker but he got captured and turned back to the light side so then him and Picard took the Defiant to the Borg homeworld and blew it up? Wasn't that fun.

Shatnerverse is great. It's such a Kirk wankfest.

I liked the idea of the Kazon. The idea that Voyager's advanced technology made it a huge target for plunder from species with inferior technology.

Problem was Voyager spent two years traveling through their space. Yet running into the same Maje again and again.

My favorite part of the Borg is how every new encounter, somehow they forgot how to stop hand phasers.

>fire phaser
>borg dies
>fire phaser
>borg shield
They're adapting!

They must clear that knowledge out of cache after each encounter or something.

Uh, they were adjusting frequencies dude.

It's not like The Borg could just, I dunno, block all of them.

 

[Totaly a Duder]

Hey remember when the Borg and Romulans brought Kirk back to life and then sent him to kill Riker but he got captured and turned back to the light side so then him and Picard took the Defiant to the Borg homeworld and blew it up? Wasn't that fun.

Kirk is the man.

 

[xaosslug]

i still remember way back when Star Trek was a thing and The Borg were introduced... shit was actually a TV event leading all the way up to when Picard was assimilated.

 

[mr jones]

Voyager needed a villain, and the main villain they tried to create (the Kazon) was terrible.

Also the writers fear of making the woman captain look weak resulted in them making a Mary sue who could solve everything and thus she alone could defeat the Borg.

Even the villains after "Scorpion" weren't that good. Species 8472 was nerfed, and other new villains like the Hirogen were pretty much crap.

Seriously, I mourn for how they just destroyed the Borg simplicity. Work with the federation against some other super species? Get that shit out of here. The Borg wouldn't make a damn truce with the federation. If they had any reason to think that Voyager would have tech that they could use, they would assimilate them to get it. That's how they work. That's how the Borg survived for hundreds of years dominating species after species, planet after planet.

 

[funkystudent]

Was the Borg never showing up in DS9 because the writers had restraint and didnt want to just ape the big TNG villains or was it more down to saving them because they knew Voyager was literally heading in their direction?

 

[mr jones]

It was cool but I don't think it could be narratively interesting for long. If it's just so single minded and relentless, there'd be no dialogue or much of a story, only action.
Maybe they should've saved the Borg for the JJ Abraham films LOL

lol Borg is perfect for Abrams when you put it like that. ..

However I disagree. There's tons of stuff that you could do. Seven of nine was a pretty slick idea, and I liked how she could long to be with the collective, since you could be more than just... yourself. The political stories could be intriguing as well, because you're going to HAVE to work with your enemy to avoid being assimilated. They could always make some deus ex machina that will help them avoid being discovered by the Borg, and various ways to adapt and hold them off. But they would always keep coming. Because in the end, resistance is futile.

Fuck Voyager.

 

[Nuklear]

Was the Borg never showing up in DS9 because the writers had restraint and didnt want to just ape the big TNG villains or was it more down to saving them because they knew Voyager was literally heading in their direction?

DS9 writers had the Dominion War(The greatest series of Star Trek episodes ever). They had a good amount of material that they didn't need the Borg.