Doesn't sound a lot like Kingdom Hearts anymore though.
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Famitsu interview with Tabata details Final Fantasy XV's battle system and more
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Doesn't sound a lot like Kingdom Hearts anymore though.
Welp
Persona seemed to do ok with it
Nightengale
Member
The loss of real time weapons switching is what concerns me the most.
Tabata pls.
Tabata pls.
This sounds like going backwards.
Basically they've kept the chain, teleport and magic. Removed switch to menu as part of customisation, and this effectively removes one hit presses. I will wait until the demo next year, but this sounds like they dumbed it down. They had to have kept one hit presses at least. Switch missing won't be as bad then. It will play similarly.
Weather will have an effect on battles, similar to how it worked in FF Type-0. If it is sunny, casting Fire magic on a monster will ignite the surroundings.
Also, it seems like very few people have played FF Type-0 and have jumped to conclusions. I view FF Type-0's control scheme as being pretty good.
Also, it seems like very few people have played FF Type-0 and have jumped to conclusions. I view FF Type-0's control scheme as being pretty good.
kuroneko0509
Member
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Really disappointed. I'm still gonna get it day one, but it just went from "dream game" to "game I really want" sigh.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
I don't believe that's the entire case. If you think about it, nothing stops you from pressing the attack button manually and rapidly (button mashing) based on each attack animation, and it should produce the same result as holding it. Meaning the system can be automated if you please, or be completely manual to achieve the same result.
DirgeExtinction
Member
Wait, unless my math is wrong(and I'm sleepy), 15 hours for the Adamantoise fight? D:
Btw, wasn't there a lot of automation in FFXII with the Gambit system? I never really played it, but that's the impression I got. People consider that to be one of the best FF entries to date.
Btw, wasn't there a lot of automation in FFXII with the Gambit system? I never really played it, but that's the impression I got. People consider that to be one of the best FF entries to date.
People talk shit about FFXIII but guess what ? From the looks of it will have a better battle system.
At least you had 6 characters to switch to and you could enter every command manually and have realtime control of what's going on.
Not just setup stuff and let it play it self.
At least you had 6 characters to switch to and you could enter every command manually and have realtime control of what's going on.
Not just setup stuff and let it play it self.
LouisaFerre
Member
I would have been fine with waiting until 2017 to get this game if the final product had everything we appeared to be promised from the Versus and E3 2013 trailers.
Yeah he straight out says in that interview that the control scheme of XV is a simplified version of Type-0's controls. He goes on to detail that for combination attacks with party members, they are triggered depending on what weapons and abilities are equipped, so players can try different combinations of weapons and abilities to see what sort of special attacks trigger with party members.
Contextual contextual contextual contextual contextual contextual contextual contextual contextual contextual contextual contextual contextual contextual contextual contextual. This keeps popping up everywhere. I guess Tabata's method of making the sort of action Nomura envisioned for the battle in the game work in a way which won't confuse players is to just script everything and let players pick what sort of AWESOME they want to do in the menu, and then just hold buttons down strategically while moving around, and dong contextual actions.
yup
Can't believe all the skeptics are now feeling reassured. I was excited until proven otherwise, and now we've been dealt the otherwise.
Zeyphersan
Banned
Ugh I hope it isn't as simple as that..
Paracelsus
Member
He said this as a joke. There is a "laugh" symbol next to the sentence.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
And they don't do it right for some reason. It comes off as shallow and shoehorned in.
BeatResetsTheWorld
Banned
I kind of wish they went back to ATB...I think an ATB system that allowed movement during the recharge time, to pick strategic locations or put characters close together for combo-ing would have been awesome. All this real time automation stuff that the last few games have had is just kind of lame at this point
kotaku interview
yeah seems like commands will just be queued like a mmo system or something.
confused about defensive movement. I assume there will be some sort of stamina or something, or you can just evade every attack?
yeah seems like commands will just be queued like a mmo system or something.
confused about defensive movement. I assume there will be some sort of stamina or something, or you can just evade every attack?
You could control any of your party members in FFXII atleast.
Exentryk
Member
Okay, this is seriously turning me off. God damn it.
But we will be able to control any party member, right? right?
Yeah I think obviously there'll be a better way to do it, but joking about it in this way probably means they've designed it so if you try to brute force it, it'll take forever. It was the same in FFXIII!
Wait what......SHIT.....WHY?!
Fuck I knew they were going to do some shitty in between so no one was happy....why the fuck can almost every modern action RPG has pure action combat with party command, but for some fucking reason this is hard for Square.....jeezus H christ....go play fucking Mass Effect or some shit..you can fucking do both
JEEZUS H CHRIST SQUARE IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FUCKING GAME FOR 7 GODDAMN YEARS AND NOW YOURE GETTING COLD FEET ABOUT THE ACTION COMBAT
OH WE THOUGHT THAT KINGDOM HEARTS COMBAT WASNT FINAL FANTASY ENOUGH...OH YOU DIDNT?!...I HAVE AN IDEA SQUARE HOW ABOUT YOU FUCKING TEASE REALTIME COMBAT SINCE FF FUCKING 12...HOW ABOUT YOU BUILD THREE FF13 GAMES THAT PUSH MORE AND MORE TOWARDS REALTIME COMBAT WITH PEOPLE TELLING YOU HOW MUCH BETTER THE COMBAT IS GETTING....AND THEN YOU FUCKING PULL THE GODDAMN CARPET OUT FROM UNDER EVERYONE AND SAY "YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA AUTOMATING FUCKING EVERYTHING THAT WAY REALTIME COMBAT FANS WILL WONDER WHY THE FUCK THEY CANT ACTIVELY ATTACK OR DODGE EVEN WHEN THE ENTIRE WORLD AND LITERAL EVERYTHING SHOWN WOULD FACILITATE IT LIKE IN EVERY OTHER FUCKING OPEN WORLD GAME EVER EXISTED AND TURN BASED FANS WILL WONDER WHY THEY EVEN HAVE TO BOTHER WHEN EVERYTHINGS BEING PLAYED BY AI ANY GODDAMN WAY
FUCK MAN.....fuck....
Seriously waited 7 years for this game and then they settle by making no one happy.....
EDIT: Fuck it Square Ill just wait for Darksiders 3 you jerks
This is all speculation by me, but watching the demo and trailer it looks like your weapon quickly disappears right after ending an attack. So my guess is, your weapon only stays if you keep holding the attack button and if you let go the weapon will disappear. If that's true, you wouldn't be able to button mash at a good speed since your weapon would basically disappear every time you let go.
This game was meant to be something like that before. An RPG with a battle system like Bayonetta, albeit a bit more simplified if it was going to be like KH.
Going around and doing cool things is easy to pull off in all kinds of other games, doesn't mean that it has to be automated though.
DirgeExtinction
Member
What was FFXII's Gambit System like?
Maybe I'm misreading things, maybe it's only the demo that you exclusively control hiim.
I'm tired so mind me not right now.
While I agree that the sound of an "automated" battle system sounds a bit worrisome, I feel like I'm one of the few that wouldn't want a Kingdom Hearts style action game out of a mainline Final Fantasy game either, like what Versus XIII seemed to be aiming for. I would like to see a more specific demonstration on these systems he's mentioning before I pass judgement.
Zeyphersan
Banned
The info in this thread is seriously making me sad/angry
Goddamn I hope the demo proves me wrong. But right now, it doesn't feel like it...
Goddamn I hope the demo proves me wrong. But right now, it doesn't feel like it...
Dark_castle
Junior Member
................................well fuck.
Tabata, you are losing everyone. Everything sounded so good, from the world, setting, visual, music, but now the combat system is something I must try hands-on in demo before knowing I like it or not.
Fuck all of you.
Tabata, you are losing everyone. Everything sounded so good, from the world, setting, visual, music, but now the combat system is something I must try hands-on in demo before knowing I like it or not.
Fuck all of you.
I also really missed slower paced Final Fantasy games. FFXIII penalizes the player rating wise for changing the speed to be slower. Lightning Returns seems to have a fantastic combat system based on the demo I played a while ago.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
Two saving graces for LR: Lightning herself and the battle system.
Okay, maybe one saving grace for the game...for non-Lightning fans!
kuroneko0509
Member
Man the reactions to the demo are going to be fucking interesting. If the battle system is highly automated, I hope the game receives a massive backlash so they can change it to the KH-like system we all want.
I'm really tired of automation in FF games. Just give me a full fledged action game with TOTAL CONTROL in a huge world for Christ's sake.
I'm really tired of automation in FF games. Just give me a full fledged action game with TOTAL CONTROL in a huge world for Christ's sake.
Death Penalty
Member
Damn, and after I was so excited about the tech demo they revealed. Why did they have to go and do this...? Here's what I took from this.
- No playing other characters as was promised as recently as E3 2013, Noctis is it. Forget everything you knew about the other characters having unique abilities you can utilize, forget about on-the-fly switching.
- No female party members. I don't think the game needed a female party member, but that doesn't mean I can't be bummed about this. I'd have very much liked one.
- Lack of diverse options in combat. You can't switch your own weapons, you don't choose which combo attacks to make with your party, there is no menu ala KH to fit in a variety of options. I'm starting to wonder if you'll just have one magic spell at a time equipped. Why would they dumb the game down to this degree? Oversimplification is anathema to a good RPG.
Immensely disheartening. I'll wait to see it in motion before I judge, but for me that's three dealbreakers in a row. This game is still day one for me, but I'll be damned if this doesn't sound dire as hell.
- No playing other characters as was promised as recently as E3 2013, Noctis is it. Forget everything you knew about the other characters having unique abilities you can utilize, forget about on-the-fly switching.
- No female party members. I don't think the game needed a female party member, but that doesn't mean I can't be bummed about this. I'd have very much liked one.
- Lack of diverse options in combat. You can't switch your own weapons, you don't choose which combo attacks to make with your party, there is no menu ala KH to fit in a variety of options. I'm starting to wonder if you'll just have one magic spell at a time equipped. Why would they dumb the game down to this degree? Oversimplification is anathema to a good RPG.
Immensely disheartening. I'll wait to see it in motion before I judge, but for me that's three dealbreakers in a row. This game is still day one for me, but I'll be damned if this doesn't sound dire as hell.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
The game will be gorgeous to look at though!
Let's be positive people ;.;
I'll reserve my judgement for when the demo arrives.
Let's be positive people ;.;
I'll reserve my judgement for when the demo arrives.