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[klee123]

Words can't describe how impressed I am with the direction of P5. Just so fresh. I already had high expectations prior to this trailer and Atlus managed to surpass it. Hats off to them.

I wonder if P5 can beat FFXV just in Japan? PS3+PS4 vs PS4+XB1.

Whilst I'm definitely looking forward to P5 more than FF15 at this point in time, let's be real. The Japanese PS4 sales of FF15 alone will beat the combined PS3 and 4 sales of P5 worldwide.

 

[I'm new be nice]

Kanji and Naoto are stories about gender roles in Japan and challenging it more than anything. So it wouldn't really be a logical follow-up. It'd be very interesting though if P5 handled transgenderism and homosexuality more directly.

Considering Catherine briefly explored some elements of transgenderism, and that that game is supposedly set in the same universe, I actually think it is a little logical to follow up on those elements at least somewhat.

 

[Squire]

Comparing the first real trailer of P5 with FFXV's demo trailer just doesn't make sense. I wouldn't even call that a trailer.

The TGS 2014 trailer for FFXV is the equivalent to today's trailer.

Sorry, it's less that people are putting the trailers together specifically and more that folks are kind of debating the merits of what's been shown of each so far.

The sentiment I've seen most today is that, for as long as it took, Atlus threw their coming out party waaaaay better than SE did with XV. This latest P5 trailer is almost perfectly composed, has exactly the kind of variety and detail people want to see (and so rarely do in a game's first real showing) and in turn, they have a to to discuss and speculate on.

Personally, I think FFXV LOL'd good, but more specifically I'd say it looks like a solid work in progress. They're clearly still fleshing out that games design. In the P5 trailer, I get the sense there's a fully-designed game there, I just need them to give me the specifics.

 

[injurai]

That would likely go with the theory that they "become" their Personas. They're so comfortable in their own skin they don't need to put up a metaphorical mask for society.

Spoiler

So they wear literal masks I guess.

I think the masks more have to do with the phantom thief themes. They are incognito, young contrarians trampsing across the city. The director said it's about society opening up for this new generation and freeing them from past shackles, but you still feel held back by your own inhibitions and emotional state. The masks don't matter amongst each other, because they are all being themselves and can see through each others personas.

 

[Tirod]

Going back to the thread, I still think it's weird how on the map you see one enemy (that looks like a shadow), but in-battle you're just fighting the Personas like Pyro Jack and stuff.

Is that knight enemy on the map a Persona (or demon in the SMT series)? I honestly don't remember.

I'm glad you brought this up. On my intial viewings of the trailer I assumed the knights were Titan:

On repeat viewings when you look close at the face, they have the same "mask faces" as the Shadow enemies do in Persona 3 and Persona 4.

Please forgive my Paint usage, I don't normally do this.

Presumably when you initiate battle with them, you are put in battle mode with the standard Shin Megami Tensei demons.

All the on field enemies we see are knights in this trailer which take place in a mansion (museum?), which leads me to speculate the the appearance of field Shadows will take different forms in different locations.

 

[stryke]

I wonder if P5 can beat FFXV just in Japan? PS3+PS4 vs PS4+XB1.

Let's be honest.

 

[Kagari]

And? Are we going to pretend that no one saw this coming? P5 dominated today as it should.

It's an observation. No need to get all defensive about it.

 

[Shouta]

Considering Catherine briefly explored some elements of transgenderism, and that that game is supposedly set in the same universe, I actually think it is a little logical to follow up on those elements at least somewhat.

From Catherine sure but it doesn't really make sense coming from Kanji and Naoto as the starting point. Still might be unlikely though since while Catherine is in the same universe, it's not directly Persona.

 

[ForsakenLotus]

What kind of medicine do you take for a hype induced headache?

 

[sn00zer]

In the back of my head Catherine visuals were sort of the pie in the sky hope for P5 visuals....I never even considered it would look better than Catherine

Your expectations for Persona 5's graphics and art style....
some interesting replies in an old thread I made

 

[Afrocious]

What kind of medicine do you take for a hype induced headache?

Go through the P4 OST.

 

[Tirod]

What kind of medicine do you take for a hype induced headache?

You have the trailer on auto loop non stop.

Live it, breathe it, dream it.

 

[Kieli]

I am looking forward to purchasing this product.

 

[wmlk]

It's an observation. No need to get all defensive about it.

Not being defensive. The thread trailer was wrong until the last page, anyway.

I'm looking forward to P5 and I have blind faith in Atlus. They won. But today doesn't say much about FFXV.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

Big cats? Hot girl?

I'm in.

 

[threelights]

I'm glad you brought this up. On my intial viewings of the trailer I assumed the knights were Titan:

On repeat viewings when you look close at the face, they have the same "mask faces" as the Shadow enemies do in Persona 3 and Persona 4.

Presumably when you initiate battle with them, you are put in battle mode with the standard Shin Megami Tensei demons.

All the on field enemies we see are knights in this trailer which take place in a mansion (museum?), which leads me to speculate the the appearance of field Shadows will take different forms in different locations.

Hmm, yeah, looking at the trailer, it doesn't look like Titan much.

I think it's weird though, it's a shadow on the map, but then it becomes a SMT fight? Why design and model all the different shadows then?

And yeah, considering both the design of the knight and the fact that there's only knights in that shot, they probably change with location.

Maybe we'll have both? Maybe one type in each "world"? Personas in the real world, Shadows in the shadow world =X

That is the most intriguing part of the trailer for me so far.

 

[Squire]

In the back of my head Catherine visuals were sort of the pie in the sky hope for P5 visuals....I never even considered it would look better than Catherine

Your expectations for Persona 5's graphics and art style....
some interesting replies in an old thread I made

Bevsuse of how early it aired and the fact I had class today, I only saw this stuff on mobile to start. Looking on my monitor tonight though, the game looks great. There seems to be a different lighting model than Catherine, but that's about it. I love the way it looks.

 

[wmlk]

Sorry, it's less that people are putting the trailers together specifically and more that folks are kind of debating the merits of what's been shown of each so far.

The sentiment I've seen most today is that, for as long as it took, Atlus threw their coming out party waaaaay better than SE did with XV. This latest P5 trailer is almost perfectly composed, has exactly the kind of variety and detail people want to see (and so rarely do in a game's first real showing) and in turn, they have a to to discuss and speculate on.

Personally, I think FFXV LOL'd good, but more specifically I'd say it looks like a solid work in progress. They're clearly still fleshing out that games design. In the P5 trailer, I get the sense there's a fully-designed game there, I just need them to give me the specifics.

It clearly looks like the better game. There's a pshyco (sic) who seems to disagree if you catch my drift. Haha!

 

[I'm new be nice]

From Catherine sure but it doesn't really make sense coming from Kanji and Naoto as the starting point. Still might be unlikely though since while Catherine is in the same universe, it's not directly Persona.

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I think people often mix up the themes that were explored in P4 as being about sexual orientation when they were more about, as you said, gender roles in society, but I can't help but feel that they have been inching closer to themes of LGBT in some small capacity, and that the accumulation of that will present itself in P5. It has just felt like a small progression in their last two releases, to me.

 

[pablito]

Guys I can't stop watching this trailer please help. HELP.

 

[Seik]

Just watched it for something like the 10th time today.

This game is the second coming, holy shit, this will be sooo good! :O

 

[Makoto Yuki]

And? Are we going to pretend that no one saw this coming? P5 dominated today as it should.

Not being defensive. The thread trailer was wrong until the last page, anyway.

I'm looking forward to P5 and I have blind faith in Atlus. They won. But today doesn't say much about FFXV.

Sounds defensive to me.

Also, having blind faith isn't really a good thing. As with all games that have not been released yet, managing expectations is a good thing.

 

[ForsakenLotus]

Go through the P4 OST.

Or I could just play P4G again. Or P3:FES. Or just watch this trailer thirty times.


Oh man, this could be one insane year as a gamer.

 

[TheXbox]

Is this gonna be the first Persona game to really break into the mainstream? If ever it were poised to, it would be now.

 

[wmlk]

Sounds defensive to me.

Also, having blind faith isn't really a good thing. As with all games that have not been released yet, managing expectations is a good thing.

I have no idea what you're trying to point at.

By blind faith, I was just juxtaposing it with SE's sheer incompetence. So yes, I have blind faith that P5 will be stellar. Can't say the same about FFXV.

 

[Rozart]

Yes yes yes!

This is so far off from what I was expecting (a superhero heist-like gang? Would never have guessed that) but I'm absolutely in love with the trailer. Really liking the character designs too. The MC and Anzu look especially nice.

Looking forward to the cringey cat puns as well.

 

[Tirod]

Hmm, yeah, looking at the trailer, it doesn't look like Titan much.

I think it's weird though, it's a shadow on the map, but then it becomes a SMT fight? Why design and model all the different shadows then?

And yeah, considering both the design of the knight and the fact that there's only knights in that shot, they probably change with location.

Maybe we'll have both? Maybe one type in each "world"? Personas in the real world, Shadows in the shadow world =X

That is the most intriguing part of the trailer for me so far.

In regards to the first questions you pose, perhaps it is resource related. Depending on the scope of these presumable dungeons, there is probably a large pool of demons to pull from to populate an opposing team of demons. Some demon designs don't lend themselves well to walking/running. Some have wings, some don't. One demon is a giant penis on a chariot too.

In regard to the real world/shadow world split you bring up a good point. We don't see how the occult material functions in this entry.

I see them just using demons though as far as battles are concerned, don't think Shadows will play a part outside of field interactions.

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

Looking at the trailer again I hope they fix the aliasing with the PS4 version. It's distracting.

 

[klee123]

Is this gonna be the first Persona game to really break into the mainstream? If ever it were poised to, it would be now.

I highly doubt it would break into mainstream despite the really good reception of the trailer last night.

The average gamer would look at the anime designs and dismiss it without a second thought.

 

[Reveirg]

Is this gonna be the first Persona game to really break into the mainstream? If ever it were poised to, it would be now.

Really hoping that's the case.

They seem to be hitting exactly a nice balance between the goofy, funky and "mature" elements.

Seems pretty close to something like Guardians of the Galaxy tone-wise, I can see that appealing to a broader audience.

 

[Snakeyes]

Any thoughts on whether it's the protagonist or his shadow that we see at the end of the trailer? On one hand, the blue flames make it seem like your standard Persona summon, but Potter-kun's facial expression looks a little too demonic compared to say, Makoto or Yu's awakening.

 

[Squire]

It clearly looks like the better game. There's a pshyco (sic) who seems to disagree if you catch my drift. Haha!

Well played

I agree. All this stuff looks cool to some extent. People should be thrilled we're in a year when comparing/contrasting relatively large budget console JRPGs is actually a thing you can do. This is great.

I highly doubt it would break into mainstream despite the really good reception of the trailer last night.

The average gamer would look at the anime designs and dismiss it without a second thought.

I think you'd be surprised. I've convinced multiple dudebros I know to play P4 and they've enjoyed it. It's a very likable game and it's not even difficult to grasp.

I think sometimes enthusiasts can get too caught up in the details and what constitutes "niche". These games can go wide. I'm not saying P5 is going to be on CoD 2015s level, but this brand can be bigger. Significantly so.

 

[zedreamcast]

Any thoughts on whether it's the protagonist or his shadow that we see at the end of the trailer? On one hand, the blue flames make it seem like your standard Persona summon, but Potter-kun's facial expression looks a little too demonic compared to say, Makoto or Yu's awakening.

The yellow eyes mean something definitely.

 

[Paper Sparrow]

Skating in the streets is dangerous, bro.

 

[Makoto Yuki]

I have no idea what you're trying to point at.

By blind faith, I was just juxtaposing it with SE'S sheer incompetence. So yes, I gave blind faith that P5 will be stellar.

You do that, I try to reserve judgement till I actually play a game before I blindly proclaim anything as amazing.

Honestly they are trailers, no matter how great they look, if the game is finally released and plays like crap, all that blind faith was for naught.

 

[Busaiku]

Foreigners that become citizens of Japan or people that aren't ethnic Japanese that are born in Japan are required to have their names changed into Katakana/hiragana/kanji. Foreigners can choose kanji that approximate the pronunciation of their name as their official name. If Anne Takamaki is actually Finnish, then the name written in Kanji would be correct for that.

Yeah, I definitely think it's more likely people are making a ton of huge assumptions, when her name is a perfectly valid Japanese name, whereas you gotta go through several hoops to land at "Finnish Anne".

 

[DryEyeRelief]

People should be thrilled we're in a year when comparing/contrasting relatively large budget console JRPGs is actually a thing you can do. This is great.

Yeah it's a great time to be a fan of the genre

 

[threelights]

In regards to the first questions you pose, perhaps it is resource related. Depending on the scope of these presumable dungeons, there is probably a large pool of demons to pull from to populate an opposing team of demons. Some demon designs don't lend themselves well to walking/running. Some have wings, some don't. One demon is a giant penis on a chariot too.

In regard to the real world/shadow world split you bring up a good point. We don't see how the occult material functions in this entry.

I see them just using demons though as far as battles are concerned, don't think Shadows will play a part outside of field interactions.

But I want to run after those chariot penises to engage in an intense action-packed conflict---

I mean, I guess. But they could always take the easy way out and only have the easy ones to animate on the map (animating a floating animation for Pyro Jack is easier than modeling and animating something else).

Also, yeah, I can see that they won't use shadows, but will they ditch them completely? (The enemies, not the "true self"). I don't know...

It's so weird, I hope Famitsu asks some decent stuff and we get to know more about that.

 

[wmlk]

You do that, I try to reserve judgement till I actually play a game before I blindly proclaim anything as amazing.

Honestly they are trailers, no matter how great they look, if the game is finally released and plays like crap, all that blind faith was for naught.

Again, I did that to express how much better P5 looks right now. You're taking that as face value when all I'm saying is that I think Atlus delivers more than SE.

I don't even know what you're trying to argue at this point. All I was saying that even though P5 looks like the better game and Atlus has been more competent than SE, FFXV is gonna do just fine.

 

[Shouta]

Yeah, I definitely think it's more likely people are making a ton of huge assumptions, when her name is a perfectly valid Japanese name.

Well, she could still be Caucasian even with a Japanese name. That's kind of what people are speculating about, Another Lisa situation.

 

[Tirod]

Any thoughts on whether it's the protagonist or his shadow that we see at the end of the trailer? On one hand, the blue flames make it seem like your standard Persona summon, but Potter-kun's facial expression looks a little too demonic compared to say, Makoto or Yu's awakening.

That part is definitely the most ambiguous and they place enough material in the trailer to lend credence to both.

The Yellow eyes, the mask imagery composed of blood, and the contorted facial features certainly hone in on demonic/shadow origins.

During the gameplay, we see the MC with a normal mask on, but with every step he takes in a run, landing after a jump, and moving from cover to cover we see splashes of blood streak out from under his feet.

So perhaps this transformation sequence is his first one, and he looks particularly wild/wicked because he is reveling in his new power and enjoys it. It could be his Persona taking on his own human form to demonstrate how he is truly him as well, and the blood mask is the occult version of a normal mask.

The blood is key in all of this. The game's visual theme is red. I'd bet on it.

Perhaps it is none of that and something else all together. It'll be fun to find out.

 

[Stencil]

Awesome art direction & UI. Why does it looks so much like Catherine, aesthetically? I know, Atlus, but I thought they were only publishing it, whereas they developed Catherine?

 

[Squire]

Well, she could still be Caucasian even with a Japanese name. That's kind of what people are speculating about, Another Lisa situation.

Certainly looks the part.

The way Soejima colored her hair, I don't think it's a dye-job. Now Ryuji - that's a dye-job.

 

[Busaiku]

Well, she could still be Caucasian even with a Japanese name. That's kind of what people are speculating about, Another Lisa situation.

Lisa was in Katakana though.
I don't see her being "Anne" or even "An".
Her race/heritage are up in the air, but I highly doubt her name isn't "Anzu".

Certainly looks the part.

The way Soejima colored her hair, I don't think it's a dye-job. Now Ryuji - that's a dye-job.

It could easily be like Junko.

 

[Afrocious]

Awesome art direction & UI. Why does it looks so much like Catherine, aesthetically? I know, Atlus, but I thought they were only publishing it, whereas they developed Catherine?

Both games are developed by Atlus.

 

[injurai]

When foreigners become Japanese citizens they usually take a Japanese name. At least for their surname.

 

[Blooddimond]

Awesome art direction & UI. Why does it looks so much like Catherine, aesthetically? I know, Atlus, but I thought they were only publishing it, whereas they developed Catherine?

Catherine was developed by the Persona team. It was a way to practice creating a game for PS3/future gens, since atlus's in-house development has been pretty much silent on home console games for the PS360 gen.

 

[super-famicom]

Both games are developed by Atlus.

Vincent, the protagonist from Catherine, also had a cameo in P3P.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

So considering FES and The Golden a later, superior version of P5 is guaranteed right?

 

[wmlk]

Awesome art direction & UI. Why does it looks so much like Catherine, aesthetically? I know, Atlus, but I thought they were only publishing it, whereas they developed Catherine?

They've said before that Catherine and the Gamebryo engine served as the foundation for their new engine. It's intended.