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Muhammad: Messenger of God - Official Trailer (director: Majedi, press previews 8/27)

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Upon the order of Abraha, King of Habasha (Abyssinia), one of his army commanders launches an attack on Mecca in order to destroy the Kaaba, the pre-Islamic construction. He leads a well-equipped force comprised of thousands of soldiers, horses and elephants. As the army approaches Mecca, the elephants respond to divine order by halting and refusing to continue. Millions of small birds then release a hail of stones onto Abraha’s forces and the army is annihilated. A month later, Muhammad, the future Prophet of Islam, is born. The film does not depict Muhammad himself but his world, the pagan age with all its tyranny and oppression as seen through the eyes of young Muhammad from birth to the age of 13.
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Director: Majid Majidi (Children of Heaven, Song of Sparrows)
Cinematographer: Vittorio Storaro (The Last Emperor, Apocalypse Now, Tango)
Music: AR Rahman (Bombay, Dil Se, Inside Man, Slumdog Millionaire)

Movie is finally set to open Montreal Film Festival which opens tomorrow, 8/27/2015. Press previews should follow soon.

Controversy: Many Sunni institutions are criticizing the movie for "depicting" the prophet. Majidi is Shia, and has reassured all the institutions that he is not showing the face and only showing the details which everyone agrees on.

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TEHRAN: The award-winning director of Iran’s most expensive film, “Muhammad,” says he hopes it will improve Islam’s “violent image,” but the religious epic risks angering many Muslims despite not showing the Prophet’s face.

The huge production about the childhood of the Prophet cost an estimated $40 million and took more than seven years to complete.

The 171-minute film, which stars many top Iranian actors, premieres Wednesday in 143 theaters throughout Iran, the day before it opens the Montreal Film Festival.

In an interview in Tehran, director Majid Majidi said extremists and militants such as ISIS “have stolen the name of Islam.”


In the Western world, he continued, “an incorrect interpretation of Islam has emerged that shows a violent image, and we believe it has no link whatsoever” to the religion.

“Muhammad” is the first part of a trilogy on the life of the Prophet. The film depicts events before his birth and up to his teenage years, before he became Prophet, which according to the Quran was at the age of 40.


While Iran has denounced cartoons of the Prophet – like those published by French satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo – Shiites, who make up the vast majority of Iran’s population, are generally more relaxed about depictions of religious figures than Sunnis.

Many planned screenings of “Muhammad” in Iran have already sold out, but in the Sunni world the production has triggered controversy.

“Definitely, some countries like Saudi Arabia will have problems with this film,” Majidi said, “but many Islamic countries – including Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia and many others in Southeast Asia – have asked for the film.”


The first major production about the Prophet’s life, “Mohammad, Messenger of God” from Syrian-American filmmaker Moustapha Akkad, also drew criticism in the Muslim world when it was released in 1976. In an attempt to allay the concerns of Muslims, Majidi looked for alternative ways of depicting the Prophet, and chose not to picture his face at all.

“To have the hero throughout the movie and not show his face once is a major challenge,” said a smiling Majidi, whose “Children of Heaven” was nominated for Best Foreign Language Film at the Academy Awards in 1998.

Majidi and his Italian Oscar-winning cinematographer Vittorio Storaro came up with a special technique to address the challenge of the invisible hero.


“We customized a steadicam especially for the Prophet,” Majidi explained. “Wherever we have the Prophet in the film, we see through his POV [point of view], even in his childhood. Everyone is curious to see the Prophet in the film, but you cannot see his face,” he continued, adding that the Prophet could only be seen by his profile, or with his back to the camera.

Still, Majidi’s solution is not enough for experts at Egypt’s Al-Azhar, one of the region’s leading Sunni religious institutions.

In a statement, Al-Azhar “objected to portraying prophets and messengers in art,” as it is “tantamount to belittling their spiritual status.”

It opposes not only portraying the Prophets’ faces but also their voices.

“The actor who plays this role may later play a criminal, and viewers may associate these characters with criminality,” said Abdel Dayyem Nosair, adviser to Al-Azhar head Ahmed al-Tayyeb.

“Muhammad,” which is partially state funded, is being released on the anniversary of the birth of the eighth imam of Shiite Islam, Reza.

The next two films in the trilogy could prove even more controversial as the young hero is not yet a Prophet in the first installment.

“There are no disputes over this period” of the Prophet’s life, said Majidi, who has won international prizes including the Oecumenical Special Award in Montreal for promoting unity among religions.

“From the time he becomes a prophet, even dialogue would be very difficult to manage, but I believe it is still achievable,”
the director said.
 
Explore paganism and it's cruelty, oppression, etc from Muhammad's perspective? I don't think this will win over may religious disbelievers. Will be interesting nonetheless.
 
On one hand, I really want to see this because not showing the face of the central protaganist sounds like a huge technical challenge and I want to see how they handle this.

On the other hand, just like every other Messiah figure, Mohammad sounds like he'd be a fucking boring protagonist.
 
Sounds like an interesting experiment, I'll definitely check it out whenever I can

That al-azhar spokesperson is using some really stupid reasoning against this lmao
 
Sounds like an interesting experiment, I'll definitely check it out whenever I can

That al-azhar spokesperson is using some really stupid reasoning against this lmao
To be fair Willem Dafoe did play green goblin and retroactively ruined Christ for everyone.
 
“Muhammad” is the first part of a trilogy on the life of the Prophet. The film depicts events before his birth and up to his teenage years, before he became Prophet, which according to the Quran was at the age of 40.

I guess we will have to wait until the second film to see him go Super Saiyan:

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On the other hand, just like every other Messiah figure, Mohammad sounds like he'd be a fucking boring protagonist.

That's just because the story of Jesus Shrist is so damn boring, uneventful, and several awful hollywood movies made about him tainted the way many people feel about religion-epics.

Not all Messiah stories are boring.

This movie looks interesting. I will be watching it.
 

Mimosa97

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Cinema quartier latin is near where I live but 2:30 p.m ? Who thought this was a good idea ? uh ...

I'm really intrigued by this. I just wish muslim scholars would let art stay free from their views on the depiction of the prophet of Islam. If you're a muslim and you consider that the depiction of Muhammad is forbidden, fine, don't do it. You can't make all the people in the world not do it. If someone wants to make a movie with the prophet as a protagonist, he should be allowed to without being threatened by those who disagree. The guy is a historical figure. Muslims don't own the rights of their prophet's image.

On one hand, I really want to see this because not showing the face of the central protaganist sounds like a huge technical challenge and I want to see how they handle this.

On the other hand, just like every other Messiah figure, Mohammad sounds like he'd be a fucking boring protagonist.

Nah he's very far from boring. The guy was a great politician, leader, warlord, scholar and he absolutely loved women. He's the definition of THE success story. He launched the second most successful religion in History and people are still fighting each others and killing each others in his name.

Read a biography about his life, even if like me you find all that religious nonsense boring and dull. He's the most " human " of all the prophets in the sense that he didn't hide or avoid the real life challenges and that he lived a very " earthy " life. He had more women in his life than all of the other prophets combined lol and he didn't shy from war. If you think about him as a conqueror and a leader more than a prophet, he becomes far more interesting
 

amar212

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On one hand, I really want to see this because not showing the face of the central protaganist sounds like a huge technical challenge and I want to see how they handle this.

On the other hand, just like every other Messiah figure, Mohammad sounds like he'd be a fucking boring protagonist.

There is already an 80's movie about Muhamed and early days of Islam, starring Anthony Queen.

It was also a pretty big budget production of its time and it was a fairly good movie considering everything.

There is no Muhamed face to be shown as well. I can't remember the original title, but I recall it was translated something like "In the name of the God", or something like that.
 
Thanks. I might try and catch the Friday showing if I have time. Tomorrow is a no go due to work. Will this have a release beyond festivals in North America?
I'm not sure. None of Majidi's movies got theatretical releases in the past. This could be different as it's the most expensive Iranian movie ever made.
 
Cinema quartier latin is near where I live but 2:30 p.m ? Who thought this was a good idea ? uh ...

I'm really intrigued by this. I just wish muslim scholars would let art stay free from their views on the depiction of the prophet of Islam. If you're a muslim and you consider that the depiction of Muhammad is forbidden, fine, don't do it. You can't make all the people in the world not do it. If someone wants to make a movie with the prophet as a protagonist, he should be allowed to without being threatened by those who disagree. The guy is a historical figure. Muslims don't own the rights of their prophet's image.



Nah he's very far from boring. The guy was a great politician, leader, warlord, scholar and he absolutely loved women. He's the definition of THE success story. He launched the second most successful religion in History and people are still fighting each others and killing each others in his name.

Read a biography about his life, even if like me you find all that religious nonsense boring and dull. He's the most " human " of all the prophets in the sense that he didn't hide or avoid the real life challenges and that he lived a very " earthy " life. He had more women in his life than all of the other prophets combined lol and he didn't shy from war. If you think about him as a conqueror and a leader more than a prophet, he becomes far more interesting

According to the Bible, Solomon had about 700 wives and 300 concubines.
 
There is already an 80's movie about Muhamed and early days of Islam, starring Anthony Queen.

It was also a pretty big budget production of its time and it was a fairly good movie considering everything.

There is no Muhamed face to be shown as well. I can't remember the original title, but I recall it was translated something like "In the name of the God", or something like that.

The Message (clip)
 

mantidor

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I'm actually always completely fascinated by Arabian imagery and architecture, it's a shame it has so little exposure. Will keep an eye on this.
 

Cyan

Banned
Doesn't it seem like not showing his face on camera and therefore claiming that you're not "depicting" Muhammad is totally hairsplitting and looking for loopholes in religious law? I mean, the whole film is a depiction of his life, right?

Or is really that narrow in practice and I'm overthinking it?
 

Numb

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Oh man Majid is doing this? Can't wait.
Kept hearing this was happening but thought it wouldn't come out.
 
Which school of thought are they utilizing especially when he says what all sects agree upon ?

As a Shia he has the Jafari school and others are hanafi Etc

Is he combining what is agreed upon in all 5 schools
 
Doesn't it seem like not showing his face on camera and therefore claiming that you're not "depicting" Muhammad is totally hairsplitting and looking for loopholes in religious law? I mean, the whole film is a depiction of his life, right?

Or is really that narrow in practice and I'm overthinking it?

Yes. But that's what the 80s movie did, too. I'm not a Muslim, but I have read the Quran a few times, and have done a lot of study into Islam. My understanding, as a non-Muslim from a non-Muslim country (so Muslims, please correct me if I am wrong) is that movies in general are pretty questionable, let alone one about the life of Muhammad.

I once read a fairly heartbreaking thread on an Islam-centric board where people were asking about movies, and a guy posted that he only watches animated movies muted (for the music). And then a follow up post was a guy asking if he could watch moves from the 50s or earlier since they were pretty wholesome and he promised not to gaze at any of the women. It made me think of a kid begging their parents to do something by promising to clean the house and their rooms and do extra chores for this one night. I dunno what that has to do with this thread, though.
 
Yes. But that's what the 80s movie did, too. I'm not a Muslim, but I have read the Quran a few times, and have done a lot of study into Islam. My understanding, as a non-Muslim from a non-Muslim country (so Muslims, please correct me if I am wrong) is that movies in general are pretty questionable, let alone one about the life of Muhammad.

I once read a fairly heartbreaking thread on an Islam-centric board where people were asking about movies, and a guy posted that he only watches animated movies muted (for the music). And then a follow up post was a guy asking if he could watch moves from the 50s or earlier since they were pretty wholesome and he promised not to gaze at any of the women. It made me think of a kid begging their parents to do something by promising to clean the house and their rooms and do extra chores for this one night. I dunno what that has to do with this thread, though.

Islam centric boards are filled with literalists which is why you saw that.
 
That's just because the story of Jesus Shrist is so damn boring, uneventful, and several awful hollywood movies made about him tainted the way many people feel about religion-epics.
Jesus in the Gnostic Gospels isn't boring. He kills a guy when he's like twelve, throwing curses and blinding people!
 
Yes. But that's what the 80s movie did, too. I'm not a Muslim, but I have read the Quran a few times, and have done a lot of study into Islam. My understanding, as a non-Muslim from a non-Muslim country (so Muslims, please correct me if I am wrong) is that movies in general are pretty questionable, let alone one about the life of Muhammad.

I once read a fairly heartbreaking thread on an Islam-centric board where people were asking about movies, and a guy posted that he only watches animated movies muted (for the music). And then a follow up post was a guy asking if he could watch moves from the 50s or earlier since they were pretty wholesome and he promised not to gaze at any of the women. It made me think of a kid begging their parents to do something by promising to clean the house and their rooms and do extra chores for this one night. I dunno what that has to do with this thread, though.

That guy was just being asinine. It's better to not watch the movie at all than to go to such pains in sanitising something for entertainment.

Movies as a whole are rather discouraged, just like video games, as they are considered a waste of time. This obviously excludes informational and educational videos as they serve a purpose beyond pure entertainment. There are varying opinions on permissibility but there is agreement that futile and wasteful actions that are of no benefit are not recommended (although these actions being a sin is up for debate). There is unanimity, though, if these actions end up affecting religious actions, such as someone foregoing an obligatory prayer because they were watching a movie or playing a game.

It is also a matter of levels of piety and sincerity. Not all Muslims are the same.
 

Kabouter

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That guy was just being asinine. It's better to not watch the movie at all than to go to such pains in sanitising something for entertainment.

Movies as a whole are rather discouraged, just like video games, as they are considered a waste of time. This obviously excludes informational and educational videos as they serve a purpose beyond pure entertainment. There are varying opinions on permissibility but there is agreement that futile and wasteful actions that are of no benefit are not recommended (although these actions being a sin is up for debate). There is unanimity, though, if these actions end up affecting religious actions, such as someone foregoing an obligatory prayer because they were watching a movie or playing a game.

It is also a matter of levels of piety and sincerity. Not all Muslims are the same.

Since, unlike when Islam was created, we now have such wonders as electric lighting, you'd think people would be fine with 'wasting' some of their time. Wouldn't stop them from spending as many hours as people did back then being productive.
 

Mimosa97

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Yes. But that's what the 80s movie did, too. I'm not a Muslim, but I have read the Quran a few times, and have done a lot of study into Islam. My understanding, as a non-Muslim from a non-Muslim country (so Muslims, please correct me if I am wrong) is that movies in general are pretty questionable, let alone one about the life of Muhammad.

I once read a fairly heartbreaking thread on an Islam-centric board where people were asking about movies, and a guy posted that he only watches animated movies muted (for the music). And then a follow up post was a guy asking if he could watch moves from the 50s or earlier since they were pretty wholesome and he promised not to gaze at any of the women. It made me think of a kid begging their parents to do something by promising to clean the house and their rooms and do extra chores for this one night. I dunno what that has to do with this thread, though.

Sounds like a message board full of salafists.
 

Jabo

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يا حبيبي يا رسول الله

اللهم صلي وسلم وبارك على سيدنا ونبينا محمد وعلى آله وصحبه أجمعين

Dunno if I'll watch it or not, emotions are going to be high
 

Chairman Yang

if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
The award-winning director of Iran’s most expensive film, “Muhammad,” says he hopes it will improve Islam’s “violent image,” but the religious epic risks angering many Muslims despite not showing the Prophet’s face.
It would be sad and hilarious if this movie causes some Muslims to become violent.
 
our directors should stop making islamic movies and make historical movies based on the persian empire

but then they wouldn't be sanctioned by the government

imagine throwing away your own culture and history for what invaders forced upon your country
 

Condom

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There is already an 80's movie about Muhamed and early days of Islam, starring Anthony Queen.

It was also a pretty big budget production of its time and it was a fairly good movie considering everything.

There is no Muhamed face to be shown as well. I can't remember the original title, but I recall it was translated something like "In the name of the God", or something like that.
I've seen this one on TV one time, in a Muslim country. Any possible faux outrage about this will be the fundies trying to stay relevant.
 
our directors should stop making islamic movies and make historical movies based on the persian empire

but then they wouldn't be sanctioned by the government

imagine throwing away your own culture and history for what invaders forced upon your country

Making movies based on Persian Empire during the reign of Islamic Republic ? That ain't gonna happen.
 

2San

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Doesn't it seem like not showing his face on camera and therefore claiming that you're not "depicting" Muhammad is totally hairsplitting and looking for loopholes in religious law? I mean, the whole film is a depiction of his life, right?

Or is really that narrow in practice and I'm overthinking it?
Hairsplitting is nothing new in Islam. Islamic Banking is another example of that.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
Since, unlike when Islam was created, we now have such wonders as electric lighting, you'd think people would be fine with 'wasting' some of their time. Wouldn't stop them from spending as many hours as people did back then being productive.


Well you can say that about pork hygiene, shellfish freshness, or any other once sensibly proscribed activity, but these rituals and harams also help unify a culture and give even loose adherents shared values. So they endure, while mixed fabrics and swearing collapse civilization.
 
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