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[kirby_fox]

And you all doubted there would be more. Doubted!

Spoiler

Now we wait for people to start playing and magically unlock a new character, somehow.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Yeah still weird that there's no character, but I'm fuckin pumped for Pirate Ship

 

[javadoze]

Can someone post the music lists for the MarioMaker and PirateShip stages?

 

[Richie]

Style Switch: Ground Theme (SMB/SMB3/SMW/NSMBU) - Original
Title (Super Mario Maker) - Sm4sh Remix (Lone new remix in this DLC pack)
Mario Bros. (Mario Bros.) - Brawl Remix
Super Mario Bros. Medley (Super Mario Bros.) - Sm4sh Remix
Ground Theme / Underground Theme (Super Mario Bros)
Ground Theme (Super Mario Bros) - Brawl Remix
Underwater Theme (Super Mario Bros) - Brawl Remix
Princess Peach's Castle (Super Mario Bros) - Melee Remix
Super Mario Bros: The Lost Levels Medley - Sm4sh Remix
Super Mario Bros. 3 Medley - Smash 4 Remix
Ground Theme (Super Mario Bros 3) - Melee Remix
Airship Theme (Super Mario Bros 3) - Brawl Remix
Underground Theme (Super Mario Land) - Brawl Remix
Super Mario World Medley - Sm4sh Remix
Yoshi's Island (Melee) - Melee (duh) Remix
Fortresss Boss (Super Mario World) - Sm4sh Remix
Castle / Boss Fortress (Super Mario World / SMB3) - Brawl Remix
Title/Ending (Super Mario World) - Brawl Remix
Main Theme (NSMB) - Brawl Remix
Athletic Theme / Ground Theme (NSMB2) - Sm4sh Remix
Ground Theme (NSMB2) - Original
Ground Theme (NSMBU) - Original
Peach's Castle Stage - Smash 64 Remix
Ground Theme (SMB3) - Original
Ground Theme (SMB2) - Original
Ground Theme (SMB) - Original
Ground Theme (SMBW) - Original

 

[PK Gaming]

Hah, so Sheik was unchanged but Luigi got nerfed

 

[Hatchtag]

These guys know their audience. Star Fox Mii Fighter outfit's design seems to be based on his Melee model:
-No eyepiece
-No mic
-Headpiece is all gray, no red
-Grey gloves without open fingers, not black and red with open fingers
-Boots are grey
-Fur is brighter
-Has a holster unlike in Melee, but much less straps
-No dark grey on jacket of shoulders

 

[ffdgh]

Hah, so Sheik was unchanged but Luigi got nerfed

You know what? I'm ok with this outcome. I won't miss down throw to down B at all lol.

 

[Masked Man]

You know what? I'm ok with this outcome. I won't miss down throw to down B at all lol.

Nor will I, lol.

 

[batfax]

First Namco gets an RPG mii costume, then Capcom gets one... c'moooon SEGA. Don't hold out on us. Throw in a Skies of Arcadia, Phantasy Star, or Shining Force outfit or something.

 

[MrSaturn99]

So, guys, you know how when you use the Metal Box, the reflection shows off the actual stage?

Well, this is what I got for Mario Maker.

That's definitely not SMB3. An easter egg of some kind?

 

[PK Gaming]

You know what? I'm ok with this outcome. I won't miss down throw to down B at all lol.

Yeah Luigi's kill setup was definitely cheesy

I was hoping they'd address the cheesy kill setups on the most dominant characters though

 

[Dimitri LH]

I wouldnt consider Monster Hunter a RPG honestly.....but I guess it kinda is....?

 

[Regulus Tera]

Now we wait for the data miners to see if anything got past Sakurai... and to get raw data on whatever character balances were done.

 

[Richie]

Pirate Ship's My Music List:

Dragon Roost Island (Wind Waker) - Original
The Great Sea / Menu Select (Wind Waker) - Sm4sh Remix
The Legend of Zelda Medley (TLOZ/OoT) - Sm4sh Remix
Dark World /Dark World Dungeon (ALttP) - Sm4sh Remix
Tal Tal Heights (Link's Awakening) - Brawl Remix
Song of Storms (OoT) - Brawl Remix
Gerudo Valley (OoT) - Original
Gerudo Valley (OoT) - Sm4sh Remix
Ocarina of Time Medley - Brawl Remix
Village of the Blue Maiden (Four Sword Adventures) - Brawl Remix
Termina Field (Majora's Mask) - Original
Ballad of the Goddess (Skyward Sword) - Original

 

[MrSaturn99]

THIS UPDATE IS SO BEAUUUUTIIFULLLLLLLLL

Pirate Ship's My Music List:

Dragon Roost Island (Wind Waker) - Original
The Great Sea / Menu Select (Wind Waker) - Sm4sh Remix
The Legend of Zelda Medley (TLOZ/OoT) - Sm4sh Remix
Dark World /Dark World Dungeon (ALttP) - Sm4sh Remix
Tal Tal Heights (Link's Awakening) - Brawl Remix
Song of Storms (OoT) - Brawl Remix
Gerudo Valley (OoT) - Original
Gerudo Valley (OoT) - Sm4sh Remix
Ocarina of Time Medley - Brawl Remix
Village of the Blue Maiden (Four Sword Adventures) - Brawl Remix
Termina Field (Majora's Mask) - Original
Ballad of the Goddess (Skyward Sword) - Original

THIS MAKES ME SO GODDAMN HAPPY YOU HAVE NO IDEA

No longer are the amazing Great Sea/Gerudo Valley arrangements robbed by that boring-ass Skyloft stage. Woo!

 

[kirby_fox]

How come I never can figure out how to update a game...can't even see the DLC I bought because the game won't update.

 

[Hatchtag]

So, guys, you know how when you use the Metal Box, the reflection shows off the actual stage?

Well, this is what I got for Mario Maker.

That's definitely not SMB3. An easter egg of some kind?

I'm looking forward to someone mining that texture. Probably just lifted from some other stage though.

 

[Regulus Tera]

How come I never can figure out how to update a game...can't even see the DLC I bought because the game won't update.

Try connecting online to a match. It should send you to the update screen.

 

[BGBW]

Someone wipe their 3DS save and see if Duck Hunt Duo is fought on their home stage now.

For the good of the community.

 

[Dimitri LH]

How come I never can figure out how to update a game...can't even see the DLC I bought because the game won't update.

3DS just go check the DLC shop in game and it will take you to update page.....Wii U is when it feels like it lol.

 

[Regulus Tera]

These guys know their audience. Star Fox Mii Fighter outfit's design seems to be based on his Melee model:
-No eyepiece
-No mic
-Headpiece is all gray, no red
-Grey gloves without open fingers, not black and red with open fingers
-Boots are grey
-Fur is brighter
-Has a holster unlike in Melee, but much less straps
-No dark grey on jacket of shoulders

That's just his SF64/643D design. I imagine they went with that to differentiate it from the one they've been using in the actual character since the Command days.


This makes me hopeful that K. Rool will have his Paon design instead of the ugly Rare one from the DKC games.

 

[WiiRevolution1]

How long does it take for dataminers to mine? Likely nothing but I'm waiting.

Going to bed soon. The new Duck Hunt and Mario Maker stages are pretty cool. Mario Maker stage is so retro. Hope I can get the game soonish.

Now I have $6 left on eShop and with no Smash DLC character in sight I'll likely blow it on something soon lol.

 

[Regulus Tera]

It looks that there's a ton of balance patches across the board. Every character has had at least one thing altered. This is a very comprehensive update.


Looking at it, I would argue we won't get a character for another month, maybe even until the holiday season begins. No reason to make so many changes if you are gonna update the data soon enough afterwards.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

It looks that there's a ton of balance patches across the board. Every character has had at least one thing altered. This is a very comprehensive update.


Looking at it, I would argue we won't get a character for another month, maybe even until the holiday season begins. No reason to make so many changes if you are gonna update the data soon enough afterwards.

Could just be a new character is already near completion and they're just getting the balancing for everyone else out of the way now.

Really glad Pirate Ship's back since that definitely felt like one of the big omissions that was popular in Brawl that was gone here, especially after WWHD.

Are there anymore veteran stages that particularly need to come back? Personally I'd want Wario Ware Inc., Yoshi's Island (SNES version) and Corneria on the Wii U version, with Frigate Orpheon back for both. Magicant, Mute City and Pac-Man should be easy enough to port over to the Wii U version if Duck Hunt is meant to be an indication for anything.

 

[Richie]

I stand by what I said.

That this withheld information on the content until it was actually OUT...

Basically, the hype train has been given validation to run wild whenever it feels like it.

 

[MrSaturn99]

Could just be a new character is already near completion and they're just getting the balancing for everyone else out of the way now.

Really glad Pirate Ship's back since that definitely felt like one of the big omissions that was popular in Brawl that was gone here, especially after WWHD.

Are there anymore veteran stages that particularly need to come back? Personally I'd want Wario Ware Inc., Yoshi's Island (SNES version) and Corneria on the Wii U version, with Frigate Orpheon back for both. Magicant, Mute City and Pac-Man should be easy enough to port over to the Wii U version if Duck Hunt is meant to be an indication for anything.

oh maaannnn I forgot about Yoshi's Island. I'd rather have Sector Z come back than Corneria, though.

Frigate Orpheon should be a priority, too; we need that Metroid Prime arrangement back!

 

[Regulus Tera]

Could just be a new character is already near completion and they're just getting the balancing for everyone else out of the way now.

It would make very little sense for them to send out a huge character update like this only to update it again in the vicinity of its release. Let's remember Sakurai said the 3DS is not built for this type of constant updates.

I think the best case scenario at the moment is that we get a character trailer as soon as the ballot ends, but the character is announced to come out at the end of the month.

 

[PK Gaming]

Looks like most of the balance changes involve customs

Interesting

Not

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Re used music means literally any old stage can be added

Oh my god pirate ship

 

[Triforce141]

Music shared across stages now? Bring on the Poke Floats then!

Edit: Regarding mii outfits also, I'm surprised we haven't gotten a new Mega Man related outfit since wave 2's release. Where's my suits for Axl, Bass, Geo Stellar Mega Man, Vollnut and so on?

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I wish they'd go and add reused music to older DLC stages

Also give me 3DS stages on the Wii U you savages

 

[Dr. Buni]

Are there anymore veteran stages that particularly need to come back? Personally I'd want Wario Ware Inc., Yoshi's Island (SNES version) and Corneria on the Wii U version, with Frigate Orpheon back for both. Magicant, Mute City and Pac-Man should be easy enough to port over to the Wii U version if Duck Hunt is meant to be an indication for anything.

I think Duck Hunt was only ported because they didn't have a stage on the 3DS at all. So maybe Wii Fit's stage will be added later too.

Personally, I would like every Wii U stage to be ported to the 3DS and vice-versa, excluding certain stages that wouldn't work in the other version (Great Cafe Offensive, Palutena's Temple on 3DS and Pac-Maze on Wii U). I also want Mushroomy Kingdom II and Frigate Orpheon back, as well as New Pork City.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Oh

Just found out Pirate Ship is Wii U only

God damn, this DLC is shattering all the 'rules' we had for DLC stages.

 

[Golnei]

I think Duck Hunt was only ported because they didn't have a stage on the 3DS at all. So maybe Wii Fit's stage will be added later too.

Personally, I would like every Wii U stage to be ported to the 3DS and vice-versa, excluding certain stages that wouldn't work in the other version (Great Cafe Offensive, Palutena's Temple on 3DS and Pac-Maze on Wii U).

There'd be little point in doing the Wii Fit stage without the mirror, and having it just display the same side as the regular camera (or animate at sub-60fps) would look incredibly jarring.

Overall, porting most of the 3DS stages over to the Wii U version might be more realistic than the inverse, seeing as they wouldn't have to put work into cutting down model/texture quality, animations or dynamic elements to run; which even had to be done to the Brawl stages on the 3DS version.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

how do I have so much nostalgia for a stage from 2008?

This is unreal. I thought my favorite Brawl stage was gone forever.

Edit: Molgera Battle is missing. Call it off, I want a refund

Edit 2: Roy vs Mewtwo on Pirate Ship is some kind of Time Paradox. Also Pirate Ship has the best Omega

 

[Boss Doggie]

See, I told you no Wolf today!

 

[Regulus Tera]

There'd be little point in doing the Wii Fit stage without the mirror, and having it just display the same side as the regular camera (or animate at sub-60fps) would look incredibly jarring.

The mirror is already AWOL in the Wii U version when playing 8-player Smash.

 

[IntelliHeath]

DUCK HUNT ON 3DS!? Yooooooo!!!!

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG YOU BETTER NOT KIDDING ME :O

New trailer for Wave 4 Mii Fighters on the eShop

Business Suit
Fox Set (Starfox) (Ginner)
Captain Falcon's Outfit (brawler)
Toad (Brawler)
Viridi Set - Kid ICarus (Sword Fighter)
Hunter Set - Monster Hunter (Sword Fighter)
Rathalos Set - Monster Hunter (Sword Fighter)

I'm shocked with Monster Hunter costumes! FALLLLLCOONNNNN PUNCHHHHH!!!!!!

Pirate ship is cool and all but

are there balance changes?

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG PIRATTTEEEEEEE SHIPPPPP!!!! OMG OMG OMG OM GOMG!

I wouldnt consider Monster Hunter a RPG honestly.....but I guess it kinda is....?

Its kinda not.

 

[EulaCapra]

I don't know why, but I'm inclined to believe a Direct is coming October 14. If Splatoon gets a Splatfest on the 9th, as the mostly Splatoon dataminer says, bombs away for the Direct!

 

[Dimitri LH]

See, I told you no Wolf today!

Tempted to make a boy who cried wolf joke, but that would just be mean towards you. ='(

 

[Golnei]

The mirror is already AWOL in the Wii U version when playing 8-player Smash.

Shows how much I use 8-player Smash. Though while that makes it easier to believe they'd be prepared to remove it when porting the stage to the 3DS, there's a difference between it being taken out in one mode and never appearing at all. Maybe the difference will be less of an issue if it's free, like the Duck Hunt stage?

 

[MagnesD3]

See, I told you no Wolf today!

Wolf coming back means this game becomes alot better and we cant have that.

 

[Kevinroc]

This is why I went in only expecting Super Mario Maker. Hearing we got even more? Icing on the cake!

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Pirate Ship literally has no unique music at all, they didn't even bring back the music that was on it, but cut from Smash 4.

Rip Great Sea (Original) and Molgera

 

[IntelliHeath]

Pirate Ship literally has no unique music at all, they didn't even bring back the music that was on it, but cut from Smash 4.

Rip Great Sea (Original) and Molgera

Who care! At least, we got our ship stage back which is friggin awesome!

 

[Boss Doggie]

My 3DS game won't update.

Or rather, I have to manually go to the shop. I thought at this age we'd have the "press Y to update" shit.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Who care!

People who were expecting or anticipating Molgera returning?

 

[IntelliHeath]

My 3DS game won't update.

Just go to DLC Store then it would ask you to update the game.

 

[Golnei]

Pirate Ship literally has no unique music at all, they didn't even bring back the music that was on it, but cut from Smash 4.

Rip Great Sea (Original) and Molgera

Great Sea I can understand, taking the new arrangement into account, but Molgera's absence still hurts - I guess they must really not want to increase the space required for DLC any more than is absolutely necessary at this point. Though the theme deserved more than a rip in the first place - I would have easily traded this game's King Dedede remix for a Molgera arrangement with the same ensemble.

 

[Dr. Buni]

Who care! At least, we got our ship stage back which is friggin awesome!

I do. Molgera's Theme is really really good.

Overall, porting most of the 3DS stages over to the Wii U version might be more realistic than the inverse, seeing as they wouldn't have to put work into cutting down model/texture quality, animations or dynamic elements to run; which even had to be done to the Brawl stages on the 3DS version.

To be fair, both are a bit unrealistic. Porting stages to the Wii U would require brand new shiny HD textures to be created, etc. Who knows if Sakurai is willing to do that.

Before thinking of porting 3DS stages to Wii U and vice-versa, I would appreciate if they would bring back other stages like Yoshi's Island 64, Mushroom Kingdom II, Great Bay, Fourside, Frigate Orpheon, etc etc.