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[Hot Coldman]

Ben wasn't actually Obi Wan's name so I think it's better than, say, Anakin Solo. Plus, as a real name, I think it's tremendously effective at portraying how Kylo, at least that moment, was still so human to Han, despite Han's denials.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Farm hick says he can make accurate precision shot under battle conditions because he blasted road kill when he was bored on saturdays.

Yeah, it's as weak a justification as it was when it came up earlier. Either that or that hole just wasn't all that difficult a shot.

Plus, hey, he used the Force to guide him, whether knowingly or not. Same with Rey.

Not that I take much pleasure in referencing the prequels, but kid Anakin could race pods. Something that not only do few humans do, but had Qui Gon remark "You must have jedi reflexes to be able to race pods..." Whether or not he's just patronizing the kid is kinda irrelevant. It's enough to make Qui Gon all the more suspicious of the kid's potential.

 

[foxtrot3d]

I don't say he was just a random redshirt. But I'm sure a lot of people died for her, probably a few of them she knew personally. This couldn't have been the first time someone she knew sacrificed themselves for them. I'm not saying Obiwan was just no one, but I firmly don't believe he was anyone especially unique to her from her lack of reaction to his death in ANH. So I find it odd that she'd name her kid just to honor some friend whose death she didn't seem all that broken up about in the first place.

Leia barely reacted to the destruction of her entire home planet, characters in the OT were awfully inhuman at many times. Luke barely reacts to Biggs death but is crying after the death of Ben. His co-pilot gets killed in Empire but later on he seems more concerned when R2 falls into the swap on Dagobah.

 

[SuperBanana]

How Rey could use the force or pilot the falcon so well is intended to be a mystery. Even she is puzzled/astonished by this in the film.

Anakin was the only human that could pilot a pod racer and he was a little kid. Luke was able to bulls eye a tiny target without the help of any targeting system. People strong in the force channel it without realizing.

 

[213372bu]

How Rey could use the force or pilot the falcon so well is intended to be a mystery. Even she is puzzled/astonished by this in the film.

Haven't read the book, but it was clear she must've had some experience with the force or knew about it earlier.

Despite her being surprised, she was consistently trying to use a mind trick and was able to force pull Luke's lightsaber more than the kinda unskilled Ren.

Not that Ren knows anything, probably more of a writer's insert, but he does say that she was "testing her powers".

Also, didn't mention in the last post, but the characters in this, including BB-8 were fantastic. Rey is going to be a great protagonist!

 

[Hot Coldman]

Leia barely reacted to the destruction of her entire home planet, characters in the OT were awfully inhuman at many times. Luke barely reacts to Biggs death but is crying after the death of Ben. His co-pilot gets killed in Empire but later on he seems more concerned when R2 falls into the swap on Dagobah.

The audience only cares about bad things happening to characters when they actually know who the fuck they are. Biggs and "Luke's co-pilot" have little screentime, therefore their deaths aren't overegged and the audience isn't bored.

Not saying you don't know that, just establishing that this isn't even weird, it's a filmmaking necessity for a popcorn film

 

[Jest Chillin]

I don't say he was just a random redshirt. But I'm sure a lot of people died for her, probably a few of them she knew personally. This couldn't have been the first time someone she knew sacrificed themselves for them. I'm not saying Obiwan was just no one, but I firmly don't believe he was anyone especially unique to her from her lack of reaction to his death in ANH. So I find it odd that she'd name her kid just to honor some friend whose death she didn't seem all that broken up about in the first place.

At the time of ANH she had never, ever interacted with him at all.

But that doesn't mean that between the events of ANH and the birth of her son that she wouldn't learn what he had done for her family in his life before then and up to that moment.

I don't have to personally have a history with someone who has made my life better, or in this case, made sure my life actually continued to exist, to appreciate them and be thankful for their role.

You currently live in a world where people not only name their children after random, trivial shit in their lives but where people name their children after inanimate objects but you can't comprehend a Fiction Character naming their child after another fictional character who was instrumental in their even being living?

You make zero sense right now.

 

[Shaanyboi]

I don't say he was just a random redshirt. You're acting like I'm saying he was aboslutely no one to her. Obviously, that's not what is happening here. However, I'm also sure a lot of people died for her, probably a few of them she knew personally. This couldn't have been the first time someone she knew sacrificed themselves for their cause. I'm not saying Obiwan was just no one, but I firmly don't believe he was anyone especially unique to her from her lack of reaction to his death in ANH. So I find it odd that she'd name her kid just to honor some friend whose death she didn't seem all that broken up about in the first place.

Obi-Wan meant a lot to her brother, and her reaching out to him sheerly out of desperation when her ship was close to Tattooine kickstarted a series of events that changed the galaxy forever. Whether it was her idea, it was Luke's idea, or Han's idea, I don't think anyone would've opposed.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

I assume that ghost Obi-Wan will show up in the sequel and say that line from the vision to Rey.

I doubt there's any relation, though.

 

[Ferr986]

I said this to a couple people:
John Boyega was a great actor in VII, but Finn wasn't that good of a character at all.

I just found that he panicked too much, was pretty incompetent, and wanted to jump in that Rey boat too hard.

I hope he evolves into a better character honestly.

Otherwise, the movie was fantastic, and despite the fact that I could nitpick it all day, it surprisingly exceeded my high expectations.

Rey and Finn being separated on VIII will do wonders for Finn's character. He'll grow a lot working for the resistance with Poe.

 

[Veelk]

Leia barely reacted to the destruction of her entire home planet, characters in the OT were awfully inhuman at many times. Luke barely reacts to Biggs death but is crying after the death of Ben. His co-pilot gets killed in Empire but later on he seems more concerned when R2 falls into the swap on Dagobah.

Uh....Leia's reaction to the destruction of Alderan is probably the most emotional she got aside from her reaction to Han being stolen away.

Yeah, so can we expect Luke to name his kid Biggs then?

Leia's naming implies that she either cared way more than she portrayed in ANH, meaning that's a flaw in the depiction in ANH, or she is made to care now for the sake of fanservice, making it a flaw in the depiction of TFA. Unless there is some critical scene I missed of Leia reacting to Ben's death, I really am not convinced she cared that much.

At the time of ANH she had never, ever interacted with him at all.

But that doesn't mean that between the events of ANH and the birth of her son that she wouldn't learn what he had done for her family in his life before then and up to that moment.

I don't have to personally have a history with someone who has made my life better, or in this case, made sure my life actually continued to exist, to appreciate them and be thankful for their role.

You currently live in a world where people not only name their children after random, trivial shit in their lives but where people name their children after inanimate objects but you can't comprehend a Fiction Character naming their child after another fictional character who was instrumental in their even being living?

You make zero sense right now.

Reality has long been known to be stranger than fiction. Fiction has an obligation to make sense. And you're making it out like I care about this a lot more than I actually do. It's a quibble, as I said in the first post I made on the subject. It's not that I don't understand it. Obviously, she's honoring him. Duh. It's just, like Luke's cockiness over shooting roadkill being a good substitute for military experience, I don't really find it convincing. I appreciate plenty of people in my life, I wouldn't name my kid after any of them. Typically, that's reserved for really personal closeness, and I don't think Leia and Ben had that. As you said, they had an appreciation and respect for one another. But nothing suggested they were close.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Rey and Finn being separated on VIII will do wonders for Finn's character. He'll grow a lot working for the resistance with Poe.

I wonder what condition Finn will be in. Will he have to have some kind of robotic spine or something? He got sliced right up the back.

 

[213372bu]

Rey and Finn being separated on VIII will do wonders for Finn's character. He'll grow a lot working for the resistance with Poe.

Yeah, I just hope they don't just let Poe carry that side of the film, even though he was great in his scenes(!), just so I can see what we are going to get out of the talented Boyega.

 

[Meus Renaissance]

Ren (and I think the Sith Lord) noticed something strange about Finn's character early on. All in the context of talking about the 'awakening' of the force. Or am I just remembering it wrong?

Maybe VIII will reveal Boyega's character to be pivotal for something.7

 

[Dynamite Shikoku]

btw, how does getting slashed on the back put you in an instant coma

 

[Jest Chillin]

Fictional Character naming their kid after another Fictional Character that was responsible for LITERALLY saving the formers life MULTIPLE TIMES is fanservice brehs.

 

[foxtrot3d]

Uh....Leia's reaction to the destruction of Alderan is probably the most emotional she got aside from her reaction to Han being stolen away.

Yeah, so can we expect Luke to name his kid Biggs then?

Leia's naming implies that she either cared way more than she portrayed in ANH, meaning that's a flaw in the depiction in ANH, or she is made to care now for the sake of fanservice, making it a flaw in the depiction of TFA. Unless there is some critical scene I missed of Leia reacting to Ben's death, I really am not convinced she cared that much.

The entire TFA is nothing but fan service, I can't call out her naming her son Ben when literally every second we are bombarded with something from the OT in the film. Like, why does Han Solo wear the same jacket he wore over 40 years ago? Why did he return to smuggling? How come no one was like the legendary General/Figher Han Solo is back to smuggling at the age of 70? Why didn't he upgrade the Falcon with modern shit? How has has he never used Chewies Bowcaster before?

At a certain point you just have to roll with that kind of crap and her naming her son Ben, a character who literally sacrificed himself for her after she personally called him out of hiding/retirement to save her.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Can't believe how forgettable the soundtrack was.
it was Indy 4 all over again.

why does Han Solo wear the same jacket he wore over 40 years ago?

Not even remotely similar.

 

[213372bu]

Ren (and I think the Sith Lord) noticed something strange about Finn's character early on. All in the context of talking about the 'awakening' of the force. Or am I just remembering it wrong?

Maybe VIII will reveal Boyega's character to be pivotal for something.7

You're right I think.

He might be force-sensitive, and in the games and expanded universe, force-sensitive people can learn how to use the force in certain places like The Valley of the Jedi.

Not sure how all that would fit cohesively in the next movie tho.

 

[Veelk]

The entire TFA is nothing but fan service, I can't call out her naming her son Ben when literally every second we are bombarded with something from the OT in the film. Like, why does Han Solo wear the same jacket he wore over 40 years ago? Why did he return to smuggling? How come no one was like the legendary General/Figher Han Solo is back to smuggling at the age of 70? Why didn't he upgrade the Falcon with modern shit? How has has he never used Chewies Bowcaster before?

At a certain point you just have to roll with that kind of crap and her naming her son Ben, a character who literally sacrificed himself for her after she personally called him out of hiding/retirement to save her.

Badly done fanservice then. Good fanservice has reason to be there other than to serve the fans. That's kinda why it's often a derogatory term. Stuff like Han's jacket is more informative, that he's a man who's trying to go back to a time in his life where things were simpler, which fits his search for the Falcon. Attention is even drawn to it in Leia's conversation with him. It's not just there to be there, it's symbolic of who his character is at the moment. The bowcaster is used to as a plotpoint to weaken Ren.

With naming him Ben....it just doesn't fit. Luke naming his kid Ben in the old OT made sense because he was actually depicted as having a very close relationship with him, even if I still dislike the 'name your kid after dead person' trope in general. But with Leia, she just didn't know the guy that well, by all accounts.

 

[Loomba]

The entire TFA is nothing but fan service, I can't call out her naming her son Ben when literally every second we are bombarded with something from the OT in the film. Like, why does Han Solo wear the same jacket he wore over 40 years ago? Why did he return to smuggling? How come no one was like the legendary General/Figher Han Solo is back to smuggling at the age of 70? Why didn't he upgrade the Falcon with modern shit? How has has he never used Chewies Bowcaster before?

At a certain point you just have to roll with that kind of crap and her naming her son Ben, a character who literally sacrificed himself for her after she personally called him out of hiding/retirement to save her.

When Leia was talking to Han didn't she say something like "Same jacket?" And he was like no it's different? and they both mentioned that after everything happened with Ben they both went back to what was familiar e.g Leia with the resistance and Han with Smuggling.

But yeah they were kinda throwaway lines.

 

[Syf]

You guys are complaining about the dumbest shit.

 

[Wil348]

"Keep my jacket" *winks*

Spoiler

Poe like likes Finn perhaps? I mean this certainly doesn't read just like friendly behaviour considering that they didn't know each other very long (and considering how diverse the main cast is already it wouldn't surprise me, I think it would be pretty cool).

 

[Sesuadra]

btw, how does getting slashed on the back put you in an instant coma

induced coma? but that was one of the things I did not understand really.

 

[raindoc]

Doubt they'll do one anytime soon. Maybe,a special edition in ten years...

I really hope you're wrong. This movie's the Anti-Hobbit: awesome and too short.

I cannot stress nough how mch I liked it. Ever since someone spoilered the rumour of Han Solo dying in this I promised myself to scream "Fuck you Jar Jar Abrams" while walking out on it, but when it happened I couldn't. The movie hit all the right switches. Now I'm not a fan of how that particular sceen worked out, set-up and dialogue simply don't make it the epic scene I'd settle for... and there are some minor, forgettable issues I have with VII: No. 1 beeing the "Super-Death Star" that felt like "sharks with lasers" to me... but overall I loved it and I sincerely hope for an extended cut in the near future.

(Did Abrams ever do any of those.)

 

[Jest Chillin]

Badly done fanservice then. Good fanservice has reason to be there other than to serve the fans. That's kinda why it's often a derogatory term. Stuff like Han's jacket is more informative, that he's a man who's trying to go back to a time in his life where things were simpler, which fits his search for the Falcon. The bowcaster is used to as a plotpoint to weaken Ren.

With naming him Ben....it just doesn't fit. Luke naming his kid Ben in the old OT made sense because he was actually depicted as having a very close relationship with him, even if I still dislike the 'name your kid after dead person' trope in general. But with Leia, she just didn't know the guy that well, by all accounts.

Even by your own logic, Han knew Obi Wan damn near as well as Luke did as he met Obi Wan at best a couple hours shorter than Luke did.

The only thing that doesn't fit is your own logic.

 

[valkyre]

So I have to post this again?

Uh before he even gets into an X wing it is established that Luke is a fine pilot (and mechanic as well). That's one of the first things Obi Wan mentions when he meets Luke, then it's mentioned again when they meet Han Solo and again at the rebel base. As for the mechanic bit, you see objects around in his room and you see him talk about the mechanism inside a droid when the first droid they buy fails, then again when he's in his room conversing with 3PO.

Not the film's fault if you didn't pick it up.

Are you guys even serious or has nostalgia blinded you completely?!

A farm kid says he is a great pilot but hasnt even left tattoine... His father is was a great pilot, so obviously that is amazing evidence that he is as well...

But lets forget all these things, lets really assume that indeed Luke is an awesome pilot and has piloted a lot of spaceships.

I am pretty damn sure he wasnt near anything military... Perhaps a freighter here or there. Are you honestly telling me that if you have piloted something, that means that you can throw yourself inside a war machine and go to battle?! Really?

Can our commercial airline pilots just go inside an F-18 hornet and just engage in dogfights?

Its unbelievable the amount of things some of you guys just try to turn a blind eye on. I get your nostalgia, I share it as well, but it doesnt change the fact that ANH aint the epitome of a bulletproof , plothole-free script... Not even close.

Its like the discussion regarding ANH's acting (which is for the most part hideous) and people keep defending it...

And yes i love ANH for what it is.

 

[213372bu]

You guys are complaining about the dumbest shit.

Not even wrong.

 

[Veelk]

"Keep my jacket" *winks*

Spoiler

Poe like likes Finn perhaps? (Considering how diverse the main cast is already it wouldn't surprise me, I think it would be pretty cool)

Yeah, this is something that isn't appreciated enough.

We have a movie where the main leads are a woman, a black person, a hispanic person, who might also be homosexual, and it is the new star wars movie, as mainstream as you can get. The only straight, white, male main character is Han and presumably Kylo Ren.

They really went out of their way to be diverse, and I really appreciate that. It even helped the movie, as the trailers played it up that the male lead would be the Jedi as it usually is, but it came as a genuine surprise that Rey is the one because many of us are accustomed to seeing male leads.

I really like that they did this.

 

[onimushroom]

If I have read everything correctly then:
Kylo is Han and Leia's son
Finn is Lando's and Leia's son
Rey is Obi Wan's/Luke's and Leia's son
Poe is Chewbacca's and Leia's son
and BB-8 is R2-D2's and Leia's son

Edit: Oh, and none of them is pretty enough to be anyone's son.

 

[Messypandas]

If I have read everything correctly then:
Kylo is Han and Leia's son
Finn is Lando's and Leia's son
Rey is Obi Wan's/Luke's and Leia's son
Poe is Chewbacca's and Leia's son
and BB-8 is R2-D2's and Leia's son

Maz is Chewbaccas and Yodas son.

 

[SeanR1221]

If I have read everything correctly then:
Kylo is Han and Leia's son
Finn is Lando's and Leia's son
Rey is Obi Wan's/Luke's and Leia's son
Poe is Chewbacca's and Leia's son
and BB-8 is R2-D2's and Leia's son

Edit: Oh, and none of them is pretty enough to be anyone's son.

And don't forget weird eyes bar owning lady is Yoda and Leia's son.

 

[El Topo]

Maz is Chewbaccas and Yodas son.

What? No. Where did you get that idea from? Salacious B. Crumb x Yoda. Wait, was Salacious B. Crumb male?

 

[foxtrot3d]

Are you guys even serious or has nostalgia blinded you completely?!

A farm kid says he is a great pilot but hasnt even left tattoine... His father is was a great pilot, so obviously that is amazing evidence that he is as well...

But lets forget all these things, lets really assume that indeed Luke is an awesome pilot and has piloted a lot of spaceships.

I am pretty damn sure he wasnt near anything military... Perhaps a freighter here or there. Are you honestly telling me that if you have piloted something, that means that you can throw yourself inside a war machine and go to battle?! Really?

Can our commercial airline pilots just go inside an F-18 hornet and just engage in dogfights?

Its unbelievable the amount of things some of you guys just try to turn a blind eye on. I get your nostalgia, I share it as well, but it doesnt change the fact that ANH aint the epitome of a bulletproof , plothole-free script... Not even close.

Its like the discussion regarding ANH's acting (which is for the most part hideous) and people keep defending it...

And yes i love ANH for what it is.

Luke isn't the one that is saying he's an amazing Star pilot, everyone else is as well including Ben Kenobi and Biggs Darklighter. Do you think Biggs would vouch for Luke's skills as a pilot if he thought that Luke couldn't handle himself as they are about to attack a heavily guarded space station full of the Empire's most elite troops and pilots? Luke was preparing to join the Imperial Academy to further improve his skills and leave Tattoine for good before the whole Ben Kenobi business.

Oh and this is a T-16 Skyhopper that Luke was a crack pilot with, he didn't dust crops with the thing, it's a functional fighter aircraft:

And while I hate to use Wookiepedia since it uses knowledge not found in the films I'll just post it here anyway since you don't want to take the word of the people in the films:

Civilian versions of the skyhopper were armed with pneumatic cannons, and were equipped with targeting lasers[1] though many law-enforcement agencies and planetary militaries throughout the galaxy utilized modified T-16s due to their overall good performance; however, because it was armed with only a single mounted repeating blaster, it was often overlooked by the military.

Even so, these airspeeders were often used as training vehicles by the Rebel Alliance, due to the fact that their flight controls were similar to those of X-wings.

 

[half a moon]

Badly done fanservice then. Good fanservice has reason to be there other than to serve the fans. That's kinda why it's often a derogatory term. Stuff like Han's jacket is more informative, that he's a man who's trying to go back to a time in his life where things were simpler, which fits his search for the Falcon. Attention is even drawn to it in Leia's conversation with him. It's not just there to be there, it's symbolic of who his character is at the moment. The bowcaster is used to as a plotpoint to weaken Ren.

With naming him Ben....it just doesn't fit. Luke naming his kid Ben in the old OT made sense because he was actually depicted as having a very close relationship with him, even if I still dislike the 'name your kid after dead person' trope in general. But with Leia, she just didn't know the guy that well, by all accounts.

You don't need to have a close relationship to name your son after an important hero.

 

[jesu]

The entire TFA is nothing but fan service, I can't call out her naming her son Ben when literally every second we are bombarded with something from the OT in the film. Like, why does Han Solo wear the same jacket he wore over 40 years ago? Why did he return to smuggling? How come no one was like the legendary General/Figher Han Solo is back to smuggling at the age of 70? Why didn't he upgrade the Falcon with modern shit? How has has he never used Chewies Bowcaster before?

At a certain point you just have to roll with that kind of crap and her naming her son Ben, a character who literally sacrificed himself for her after she personally called him out of hiding/retirement to save her.

Were you on your phone the whole time?
Half of that was answered during the film.

 

[foxtrot3d]

Were you on your phone the whole time?
Half of that was answered during the film.

A throwaway line does not make these inclusions good. For example, him returning to smuggling because they are his roots doesn't make much sense for a 70 year old war hero. The reason he's a smuggler again is fan service.

 

[Aureon]

To the people asking how Rey was able to pilot the Millenium Falcon that elegantly, its a Star Wars movie...

Cant believe how people consider ANH such devoid of similar plotholes and conviniences, when Luke , a farmer boy that his uncle and aunt made sure he was nowhere near anything to do with military, got inside an X Wing fighter in literally moments after his arrival at the Rebel base... Not only that he seemed 100% familiarized with every single instrument in there as if he was piloting that shit for ages...

Its Star Wars, somethings are just left to the Force... There is no logical explanation behind them, they are plain and simple plotholes that are best explained through the convenience of the Force as a narrative element.

Before the Awakening makes a point that all she does besides salvaging is playing a flight sim.

 

[half a moon]

A throwaway line does not make these inclusions good. For example, him returning to smuggling because they are his roots doesn't make much sense for a 70 year old war hero. The reason he's a smuggler again is fan service.

It makes perfect sense. He likes doing it. It's what he's good at.

 

[213372bu]

A throwaway line does not make these inclusions good. For example, him returning to smuggling because they are his roots doesn't make much sense for a 70 year old war hero. The reason he's a smuggler again is fan service.

Why do you want them to explain every detail?

Couldn't even have a moment to breathe in that movie, much less have some completely needless exposition on why Han decided to return to his roots.

 

[nOoblet16]

Are you guys even serious or has nostalgia blinded you completely?!

A farm kid says he is a great pilot but hasnt even left tattoine... His father is was a great pilot, so obviously that is amazing evidence that he is as well...

But lets forget all these things, lets really assume that indeed Luke is an awesome pilot and has piloted a lot of spaceships.

I am pretty damn sure he wasnt near anything military... Perhaps a freighter here or there. Are you honestly telling me that if you have piloted something, that means that you can throw yourself inside a war machine and go to battle?! Really?

Can our commercial airline pilots just go inside an F-18 hornet and just engage in dogfights?

Its unbelievable the amount of things some of you guys just try to turn a blind eye on. I get your nostalgia, I share it as well, but it doesnt change the fact that ANH aint the epitome of a bulletproof , plothole-free script... Not even close.

Its like the discussion regarding ANH's acting (which is for the most part hideous) and people keep defending it...

And yes i love ANH for what it is.

Nostalgia? I wasn't even born until 13 years after the movie came out, I saw ANH after I saw the prequels, the first time I saw ANH was like in 2010. Nostalgia my ass lol But what's you point? You are coming across as "it doesn't make sense because I don't find it believable." This is the world where Anakin was able to build a racing ship and pilot it at the age of 10 while living in a slave world.

If the movie foreshadows Luke piloting an X wing by repeatedly mentioning that he is a good pilot then it is to be taken as such.

 

[Messypandas]

Han had that nausea inducing "I had to leave because you reminded me of our son" moment. Thats some Lindelof style writing.

 

[213372bu]

Before the Awakening makes a point that all she does besides salvaging is playing a flight sim.

Did/could she ever know about the Force?

Like even knowing the powers of the Jedi?

 

[Veelk]

Even by your own logic, Han knew Obi Wan damn near as well as Luke did as he met Obi Wan at best a couple hours shorter than Luke did.

The only thing that doesn't fit is your own logic.

Not really. The narrative clearly emphasized their emotional connection as student and teacher. Luke has displayed an intense emotional reaction to his death, obviously being very distressed by it. Emotional bonds aren't a math equation where you plug in certain actions and out pops affection. Leia didn't react to his death, so I assume they weren't close. Luke did, and we saw their relationship, however brief, first hand, and we know he cared a lot about him, and then he still hung around him afterwards as a ghost, so their relationship continued post death. You can argue that it's an unrealistically deep bond for being developed for a couple hours, and I won't disagree with you, but the bond itself is there.

So the difference is we were shown Luke and Ben's bond. In contrast, Ben just did Leia some huge favors, which she appreciates, but she doesn't seem to be close to him in particular. They're relationship seemed to be of respected comrades, and that's it.

You don't need to have a close relationship to name your son after an important hero.

True, but then she'd probably have named him Obi-wan, since that was his actual name, and Ben is personal affectation of that name...or maybe she did, and they used the same affectation. *shrug*

My point is that there doesn't seem to be a strong reason for her to name her kid Ben. If you're point is that people just name their kids after some trivial stuff, like Obiwan being a random warhero of a war that must have hundreds of them, that's fine. I just found it sort of pointless.

 

[foxtrot3d]

Why do you want them to explain every detail?

Couldn't even have a moment to breathe in that movie, much less have some completely needless exposition on why Han decided to return to his roots.

Once again you have misinterpreted what I am saying, it doesn't matter how much they explain it Han Solo being a smuggler again is fan service, right down to him wearing a jacket that is eerily similar to a jacket he wore 40 years ago.

 

[half a moon]

Not really. The narrative clearly emphasized their emotional connection as student and teacher. Luke has displayed an intense emotional reaction to his death, obviously being very distressed by it. Emotional bonds aren't a math equation where you plug in certain actions and out pops affection. Leia didn't react to his death, so I assume they weren't close. Luke did, and we saw their relationship, however brief, first hand, and we know he cared a lot about him, and then he still hung around him afterwards as a ghost, so their relationship continued post death.

We were shown Luke and Ben's bond. In contrast, Ben just did Leia some huge favors, which she appreciates, but she doesn't seem to be close to him in particular.



True, but then she'd probably have named him Obi-wan, since that was his actual name, and Ben is personal affectation of that name...or maybe she did, and they used the same affectation. *shrug*

My point is that there doesn't seem to be a strong reason for her to name her kid Ben. If you're point is that people just name their kids after some trivial stuff, like Obiwan being a random warhero of a war that must have hundreds of them, that's fine. I just found it sort of pointless.

He's a war hero, Obi-wan sounds too fancy, he liked the name Ben and went by it, he saved their life, they like the name Ben, they name their son Ben.

If you can name your son Charlie because you like the name for less meaningful reasons like it's 2015 least popular name and it starts with a C, you can name your son Ben for more.

 

[213372bu]

Once again you have misinterpreted what I am saying, it doesn't matter how much they explain it Han Solo being a smuggler again is fan service, right down to him wearing a jacket that is eerily similar to a jacket he wore 40 years ago.

Of course it is.

I just don't see even a slight problem that he is wearing a jacket simply reminiscent of the one he used to wear from the trilogy and his smuggling days.

 

[SleepyJohn11]

Even looking at that spoiler board conjured up a while; I was surprised by some small details here and there. The lightsaber showdown was definetely one of my favorite Star Wars moments.

Finn's was a lot more fun than I expected. Glad he was able to hold his own for a little bit against Ren (even getting one hit). I hope by the end of the next movie he grows to a hero. I can see him to start to learn the ways of the force from like Maz (who probably found her way to the resistance base for refuge), but maybe be more of the face of the Resistance. I think there's more for Finn to grow as character there than being a Jedi.

The entire TFA is nothing but fan service, I can't call out her naming her son Ben when literally every second we are bombarded with something from the OT in the film. Like, why does Han Solo wear the same jacket he wore over 40 years ago? Why did he return to smuggling? How come no one was like the legendary General/Figher Han Solo is back to smuggling at the age of 70? Why didn't he upgrade the Falcon with modern shit? How has has he never used Chewie's Bowcaster before?

At a certain point you just have to roll with that kind of crap and her naming her son Ben, a character who literally sacrificed himself for her after she personally called him out of hiding/retirement to save her.

You haven't met old people who wore the same clothes since forever? He return to smuggling because his son turning into a murderer fucked him up emotionally and made it hard to keep pushing forward with life with Leia. Going to back to the only thing he really know was his only escape from the turmoil. He cant grow sentimental/attached over a ship which he had some of the biggest moments of his life with? It just didn't occured to him about using a bowcaster?

Can't we find better things to nitpick at?

 

[valkyre]

Luke isn't the one that is saying he's an amazing Star pilot, everyone else is as well including Ben Kenobi and Biggs Darklighter. Do you think Biggs would vouch for Luke's skills as a pilot if he thought that Luke couldn't handle himself as they are about to attack a heavily guarded space station full of the Empire's most elite troops and pilots? Luke was preparing to join the Imperial Academy to further improve his skills and leave Tattoine for good before the whole Ben Kenobi business.

Oh and this is a T-16 Skyhopper that Luke was a crack pilot with, he didn't dust crops with the thing, it's a functional fighter aircraft:


And while I hate to use Wookiepedia since it uses knowledge not found in the films I'll just post it here anyway since you don't want to take the word of the people in the films:

I dont know what a T-16 skyhooper is (and i shouldnt know about it when i, and you saw the film back then) and i have seen the trilogy more than 10 times. I am ofcourse not the huge EU fan, and certainly when you see for the first time ANH, you clearly see Luke as a talented youngster held back by his ucnle and aunt, who wants to escape the life of a farmer and join the resistance.

The film must be judged based on that concept, not what has been revealed/added through the EU.

Now if you really think that Luke being familiarized so quickly with X Wings and being thrown into combat, when in the rest of the film he was presented as a novice in pretty much anything to do with combat (be it blasters, tactics, even discipline) i pass. I for one disagree and never wont try to justify this that way.

All in all i did not mind Rey's piloting skills. Now the Jedi stuff is way too obvious that was there for a reason to be explained in VIII or IX. If not then yeah it will be ugly.

 

[mr-paul]

What's wrong with Han and Leia just liking the name Ben?
Does so much meaning need to be put behind it?