Kor of Memory
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I meant more the implication that she was stuck in a room while the whole planet blew up.
I don't think they actually used the trash compactor part on her.
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I meant more the implication that she was stuck in a room while the whole planet blew up.
I don't think they actually used the trash compactor part on her.
If we get a revelation about the source of her abilities, then she's not a Mary Sue, since the barest background explanation is enough to excuse any Gary Sue.
If she's just an action star the same way male heroes are action stars, the Mary Sue label is uncalled for.
Either way there is no reason to call her a Mary Sue other than to slap down female characters.
Finn has character, unlike Tyrese and Ludacris in those movies. Unlike those two it makes sense for Finn to act like that. He got back at Phasma, he is escaping the First Order and the plan is succeeding, he was excited to be helping the resistence. His character isn't to be a token black guy to add diversity. He isn't there to be funny black guy
Remembering some geeky discussion from long ago that a lightsaber (theoretically) should handle VERY differently than swords, as the center of mass isn't along the blade, it's in the center of the handle, but we'd be getting into over-analytical territory.
It doesn't even matter. The one in ANH had a door, since she's a Captain, she'd be able to leave anyway.
LaserBuddha
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I thought they were on the ship but I guess not since it was Han and Finn.
Anyway, that's exactly the kind of death in movies that is made for escaping so you can make a grand re-entrance in the sequel.
Generic Power Ranger
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I'm not as big of a Star Wars fan as I'm sure some of you guys are but I just came back from watching it and I really really liked it. The person I watched it with was completely new to Star Wars and they loved it too so I think the movie did a great job in that regard, I was a bit worried it wouldn't work for a newcomer.
Totally called Han Solo dying in this, I did so before watching the movie already. No way Ford would've appeared so energetic in his press appearances otherwise.
And I really loved Supreme Leader Snoke's design. I've seen some mention of people disliking him but I thought he had some great presence. Really intimidating to me to the point that I felt shivers down my spine. Had way more of an effect on me than Vader or Palpatine ever had in any of the other movies.
My only two complaints would be that I felt like things were a bit too much on the rushed side, at times I wanted more breathing room behind the action scenes, and the other being the whole political aspect, as in the complete lack of one. I did not understand the relation between the resistance, the republic and the first order and I feel like that's on the movie because I really tried to figure it out while watching. But reading through the thread those seem to be pretty common complaints, especially the latter.
So basically I have complaints that could probably be alleviated by an extended cut. A special edition if you will. Huh.
I'm not sure how much of a chance that has of happening though.
I saw someone mention they cut 20 mins which would explain the missing exposition (I hope). If that's true (and even if it's not) I hope they release an extended edition. Am worried they won't though.
Edvardelis
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He doesn't look young, and that's a good part of the problem.
lol? He looks early twenties.
Psychoward
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The dude looks like he could be 19
I really liked seeing much of that air battle from the vantage point of the characters on the ground. It was an instance of TFA finding ways to present something we've seen many times - X-Wings vs. Tie Fighters - in a new and cool way. And it was great to see Poe in action, living up to his reputation.
I kind of wish they had saved the reveal that he was still alive until after that shot, though. Finn realizes that pilot has to be Poe when he sees that X-Wing tearing it up, and I wish that epiphany was shared by the audience rather than just cutting to him in the ship was they approached.
Supreme Commander Snoke turns out to be Punished Snoke at the end
OricWindstar
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I love Kylo Ren and don't agree with the arguments being made against him, but he's supposed to be 30ish. Adam Driver is 32, I think?
Adam Driver is 32, he looks to be about 22
Scientist Supreme!
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I've already with over this but that doesn't matter, its bad storytelling to me. She's a Mary Sue in this film.
For your last point, you can believe whatever you want. It has nothing to do with point.
Vincent Alexander
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I saw this again last night and it clicked why I didn't like the Han death and why it had 0 impact on me. I actually really loved the whole thing until ONE stupid line. Kylo says he knows what he has to do, but doesn't know if he has the strength....this isn't great, but what I hate was the "Will you help me?" Line after, then the eventual "thank you." I don't know why, but that's when it took an immediate turn to sound like unnatural dialogue crafted just for that moment.
Leatherface
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Hey all. I finally had a chance to see this in IMAX 3D. I'm sure you are deep into debate mode about all the intricacies of the film, but I just wanted to come in here to find out the general consensus of all the new characters. Did you love them? Hate them? Indifferent? For me personally I thought the new cast really brought this movie to the next level. As for the movie itself, though far from perfect, I have a hard time picking it apart when I just couldn't stop smiling. I may have had a tear come out at one point from pure joy. Hope you all loved it as much as I did. 
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Oni Link 666
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Weird. I thought he was much like Anakin. Young and emo.
I don't think Rey thinking happy thoughts or whatever she did to keep Ren out of her mind translates well to Mind Tricking or Force Grabbing something. There's never been an instance in the Star Wars universe of a person using Force powers like this with zero training.
That and Kylo stopped a fucking laser blast in mid-air. Then forgot he did that and walked away from it. It's not easy to underplay that when no one else has ever done that in Star Wars. I mean shit, when Rey was beating him down he should have just Force Timed her.
Haha, and she's all the sudden an expert in 2 seconds because she's heard those?
Not buying it.
This would be the only explanation that makes any sense to me at all and this needs to be the case.
VistraNorrez
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So everyone talks about Kylo getting shot as making him weaker. What about Rey getting force thrown 20 feet in the air against a tree by Kylo? She was knocked unconscious and should probably have broken bones. Shouldn't that affect her abilities too?
Also Chewbacca should have kept firing at Kylo. He could have easily killed him with another shot.
I'm just nitpicking here, but just some food for thought.
Also Chewbacca should have kept firing at Kylo. He could have easily killed him with another shot.
I'm just nitpicking here, but just some food for thought.
BlastProcessing
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Kylo Ren would get carded at the cantina.
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blackdevil
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without a beard he looks like 20. When he took off the helmet people were giggling.
I was so annoyed. Didnt help that his german dub sounded super young without the mask. His Kylo Ren "masked" voice sounded fantastic though.
True enough. Though to be fair, Finn's supposed to be one of the best performing soldiers coming out of training.
I wonder if R2D2 woke once Rey awoke her force powers and got into proximity. What if Luke put R2 into low power mode with the force and it got reactivated by Rey's. Perhaps her "force signature" is similar to Luke's, which might give support to the notion that she's his daughter.
Vincent Alexander
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Without a doubt, Rey not only resisted Kylo but looked back in his mind. You could argue the bridge was opened by Kylo so it wasn't as hard to cross it for her, but yeah...she definitely got all up in there.
brandonh83
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I think Adam Driver could pass for a 32 year old. Same age as me!
Chezzymann
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You were asking how she knew what it was. To answer this question, Id imagine shes very strong with the force or something, or maybe theres something about her back story we dont know yet. Like maybe luke trained her previously but she doesnt remember. Or maybe its not that hard.
SparkleMotion
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It can't be overstated how much Daisy Ridley killed it as Rey, especially this being her first big budget production.
and what's wrong with what he said? Are people really mad that he was excitable that he showed a range of emotions during this whole movie?
Yeah, he pretty much lost his cool and was carelessly swinging his lightsabre to finish the fight quickly.
Whoever did the casting did a phenomenal job in general.
Oh ok. Thanks.
Oni Link 666
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The first thing that crossed my mind when I saw her was that she looked a lot like Padme. She also looks like Anakin's mom. I think if she was Leia's daughter, it would have been revealed, since she would have had scenes with her mom, dad, and brother.
That's not true; she picks up on what to do about as fast Luke did in ANH. Denying this requires some serious mental gymnastics.
Luke deflects a laser blast with a lightsaber (three times in a row!), while blind, after just a couple moments of trying. At the end of the film, Obi-wan tells him to "use the force". How, exactly? What training did Luke get to be able to do what he did at the end of the film? Be specific.
Serpens007
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Why people think so hard on why Rey is powerful in the force? The movie is called "The Force Awakens" for a reason.
Digital-Hero
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Don't know if this was posted but someone mentioned much earlier in spoiler thread#1 that they were disappointed Yoda wasn't in the movie. I said I heard Yoda in the flashback/dream sequence.
Obi-Wan and Yoda are secretly in Star Wars: The Force Awakens
Both Ewan McGregor and the late Alec Guinness brought Kenobi back.
"Abrams says. “Here’s the cool part. We asked Ewan McGregor to come in and do the line. And he was awesome and we were very grateful. "
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/20/jj-abrams-reveals-obi-wan-and-yoda-are-star-wars-force-awakens
Obi-Wan and Yoda are secretly in Star Wars: The Force Awakens
Both Ewan McGregor and the late Alec Guinness brought Kenobi back.
"Abrams says. “Here’s the cool part. We asked Ewan McGregor to come in and do the line. And he was awesome and we were very grateful. "
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/20/jj-abrams-reveals-obi-wan-and-yoda-are-star-wars-force-awakens
LaserBuddha
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I would like people to play out these scenarios in their heads (Chewie just gunning down Ren from a balcony, or Ren killing Rey and Finn) and think about whether that would really be better.
The only thing that would have saved Rey besides Kylo's weakness + Rey's fighting experience is some sort of deus ex machina to just wish them out of the situation.
I think the same people would be complaining more if Rey and Finn were just serendipitously extracted from the lightsaber fight. I mean damn, Ren cuts one of the main heroes from shoulder to waist in the first movie and it's not good enough. Ren is depicted as a volatile and undisciplined downgrade from Vader essentially, and letting the new chosen one momentarily best him when he is near death is not good enough.
WadiumArcadium
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Spot on. Some actual emotion and excitement is shown by the characters in this film.
Yeah, I'd be okay with that.
I think to me honestly, I have less of a problem with Rey winning that fight with Ren, than I do the complete ambiguousness of what Ren is capable of, wtf he can do, and just how well trained he is.
Vincent Alexander
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I saw it again last night and watched Kylo carefully, and yeah. He is making huge swings with his saber you can see coming a mile away. If they did that on purpose to show how unfocused he was then bravo. He did do a few fancy swings, but not many.
Not to mention they were bros and Finn thought he was dead up until that point. I loved his celebration, it's the sort of the thing that was missing in the prequels.
SparkleMotion
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Poe in his X-Wing is the equivalent of Legolas in any scene with a bow and arrow. I could watch him shooting down TIE Fighters for ten minutes.
That wasn't a line to be mad about. I'd understand if it was the exchange when Poe gives him his name, mainly because he was given the name, but not when he sees this pilot he doesn't know to be Poe lightin up TIE Fighters and helping them it makes sense for someone to say that
valkillmore
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Just think how good her and Mark will play off each other in the sequel.
Probably the same people that get mad about clapping in theaters lol
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