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Nintendo @ E3 - No Direct, Just Zelda Treehouse Stream
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brandonh83
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It isn't irrelevant, and I'm still excited. They're showing Zelda, by far my most anticipated game right now. However, people are making a bigger deal out of it than necessary.
Sony is going to have a huge thing probably with the Neo and VR; Microsoft will likely show their hardware revision if the rumors are true. Both will likely be more powerful than NX. Even if Nintendo showed NX, people would find a way to mark it as a negative compared to the other consoles as they usually do. By avoiding E3 they can have their own events at a time of their choosing that won't be mixed in with what these other guys are doing so that people can better focus on what they're doing instead of throwing around "E3 Scorecards!" and "Nintendo loses E3 again with another underpowered console!"
So no. E3 isn't irrelevant. But it's also not some defining big deal in terms of product success, either.
protomouse
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I never said anything about Directs, as nothing has been confirmed or denied.
Press releases? Social media? IGN special? Fake leaks? Have we yet again forgotten that E3 doesn't begin and end with a short media briefing?
Jumping to conclusions and hyperbole is much more fun though, right?
EatinOlives
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Yeah how quickly the narrative changes. I wonder how many of the people going "skipping E3 is their smartest move!!" were saying that at the beginning of thid year.
And let's get real, those same people would've said "being at E3 is their smartest move!" Had they had a huge NX info blowout instead.
Labrynian Rebel
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Yeah was planning on watch E3, and then after that Zelda media blackout. But since it's going to be JUST Zelda, I might as well start my media blackout early.
I feel like Zelda being good (which I feel is a given) is completely irrelevant to anything going on with Nintendo.
E3 2015 had the highest attendance since 2007.
SunBroDave
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No Nintendo standalone event at any other time during the year will have the audience size of an event hosted during E3 week.
Oh they almost assuredly have stuff to show. My guess is they don't have what they consider ENOUGH. They don't want to repeat Wii U, where they had nintendoland, game and wario, and NSMBU. It wasn't until september that they could show bayo 2, monster hunter, and a couple more.
The more games they announce at once, the larger the impact. They DEFINITELY do not want to repeat a wii u.
I'm sure they hate that they're not ready *enough* for E3, but I'm sure they'd rather get a huge zelda ad campaign going on than skipping it altogether.
Correct. I doubt they're doing this because they want to. They can still get tons of coverage from a standalone, but a huge chunk won't watch it live, like at E3.
oreomunsta
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Oh... That really dampens my hype for E3 
Dark Cloud
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Why do you keep making up narratives?
People are saying in this day and age information gets out there just as easily with a standalone reveal event just like Sony did with the PS4 and MS did with the X1. Who's saying skipping E3 is the smartest move?
This seems like a pretty definitive statement to make, one that you cannot possibly prove beyond any measure nor can anyone really dispute because NO ONE FUCKING KNOWS IF THAT COULD BE TRUE.
brandonh83
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They have stuff to show. They're choosing to not show it yet. They don't want to show the console at E3, so they're not showing NX games at E3 either. Because of that, Zelda U is about the only exciting thing they have ready for a blowout.
blue_phazon
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The difference is that with MS and Sony, they discussed the actual console and features BEFORE e3, which allowed them to use e3 for games and whatnot.
Nintendo still hasn't revealed the NX, and I don't think it would be wise to REVEAL a concole at E3, especially with rumours that Sony and MS will have hardware announcements too.
And in terms of the fall event, I was just guessing the date. But there will be an NX blowout sometime between E3 and Dec 31, since they said it'll be this year. The post by Nintendo mentioned features, games lineups, and general philosophy or concept of the console, so I'm expecting it to be quite substantial.
Nintendo doesn't present information on hardware. They show the hardware (sometimes) and the games. So they need to have the hardware in a presentable form (at least the controller) and in an almost final config for the reveal. It's not that difficult to understand really.
SunBroDave
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It's obviously true.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I know there aren't too many but could you imagine a big Nintendo fan that doesn't care for Zelda???
This E3 will be a nightmare, hope they have other consoles and maybe Zelda will win them over.
dragonflys545
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LOL... That's it? At this point why bother making hardware. Just focus on making games so you can release more than 4-5 big games a year.
EatinOlives
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Both Sony and MS still had a big presence that E3, what are you even talking about?
Dark Cloud
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And that still doesn't mean anything. How did it benefit the PS4 over X1? MS presented a system with a higher price and they had the whole drm debacle.
E3 didn't fix who was going to "win". The companies had a presentation just like they had their standalone reveal events. At Sonys people were happy and excited. At MS's it was mostly the opposite. Either way the news gets spread around with the age we're in.
E3 is not irrelevant, but stop acting like E3 is the end all of information.
I mean it did come between their reveal event and launch so...why didn't they reveal their systems at E3?
And nothing makes less sense than showing at E3 their NX flagship title running on their dead console
Again, that should be locked in-stone for months if not over a year. Only way this works is if, and this is going batshit, that AMD/GloFo manufacturing rumor is true, those units were for E3, and Nintendo physically has no on-hand presentable hardware.
This is obviously a thrown-together-at-the-last-minute decision. Of course it doesn't make sense. Its a desperate move by NoA to have *something* to do with the show floor.
brandonh83
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Life will go on. There's going to be plenty of other things to see at E3 and the new console/games will be revealed later in the year. I'm a big Nintendo fan but I'm a fan of videogames in general. It's still going to be fun even if you don't care for Zelda. If you don't care for Zelda, chill and watch the other shit.
DriftingSpirit
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lol
I think the weirdest thing about it all is they are only showing Zelda on the WiiU, a console probably most Nintendo fans won't play the game on.
I'm really excited for Zelda, but it'd be like showing it on GameCube again at e3 2006, although telling us it'd be on the Wii, but making us imagine what that would be like.
It would have been really perfect the re-reveal this game with the NX. Nintendo is so odd. Although I can't help but think Zelda is going to be a god-tier open world game unlike one we've ever seen.
I'm really excited for Zelda, but it'd be like showing it on GameCube again at e3 2006, although telling us it'd be on the Wii, but making us imagine what that would be like.
It would have been really perfect the re-reveal this game with the NX. Nintendo is so odd. Although I can't help but think Zelda is going to be a god-tier open world game unlike one we've ever seen.
The E3 irrelevant thing has been around since Nintendo started doing directs instead. So it wasn't something that just started.
Alright, then point to me the numbers of this year's E3 versus the event Nintendo hasn't announced they're hosting yet.
Oh wait! You can't! Because it hasn't happened yet! And part of that statement relies on a scenario which isn't happening thus we would never have any actual numbers to compare! Which means you literally cannot make the statement that E3 is guaranteed to be a bigger audience! Wow that was hard.
I'm not going to sit here and argue that E3 isn't still a big event. But to thump on about how missing E3 will literally be the death of them because they can't "afford" to throw away any opportunities is hilariously hyperbolic.
I don't get how else to explain that Zelda is more than its combat, which Souls isn't. MM's status as arguably the goat Zelda rests on its script, quests, and characters, not its combat. Even TP/SS's use of motion was better on the noncombat side. Saying Zelda is like Souls, completely misses the other 3/4ths of the game. And iron knuckle fights are indeed rare per game, its why you crave the next fight.
SunBroDave
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Idk why you quoted me because you literally didn't address what I said at all. But yes, the way Sony presented at E3 directly influenced the public's perception of the two consoles. Sony went right for the jugular and mocked Microsoft for their DRM strategy, price point and software catalogue. PS4 has had immense success ever since.
Wow this is worse than anyone could have expected. I know there isn't much coming out but at least do a direct for the few titles that will be out. Isn't there a new pokemon game coming?
And Zelda will be on NX and will no doubt drive a lot of adoption for the platform. I still think it's mistake for them not to talk about NX here.
And Zelda will be on NX and will no doubt drive a lot of adoption for the platform. I still think it's mistake for them not to talk about NX here.
Everything points towards a mobile centric ecosystem that's about lowering the barrier of entry with low cost hardware and games adopting different kinds of business models. There will be your Zelda and Monster Hunter too, don't worry.
I don't think NX has a new gimmick related to the way you interact with the system, instead the focus will revolve around the word social and sharing, as in, sharing your experience with others either by directly playing with/against them, uploading a MK8 video to youtube that captured a cool sequence, sharing a funny moment in Tomodachi Life, or let others enjoy your creations in games with level editors (which are common nowadays; Mario Maker, Pushmo World, Tipping Stars)
In terms of external software support, Nintendo just received a port of Minecraft and they are rumored to be the first system to see a port of Undertale, these are two examples of games that appeal to Nintendo's existing userbase. If you spend time browsing Miiverse you should be aware of that. Basically family-friendly games like Scribblenauts are a good fit for Nintendo's ecosystem.
It increased their exposure. Doing an event after e3 ? Not so much.
Here's the important question:
If NX isn't at E3, does this ACTUALLY affect NX sales? How much more awareness will E3 bring that an NX event + proper marketing won't already do?
Sincere question - I don't know the answer to this. I'd lean toward 'not very much,' but I don't know the real answer. Game sales? Possibly, but console itself?
If NX isn't at E3, does this ACTUALLY affect NX sales? How much more awareness will E3 bring that an NX event + proper marketing won't already do?
Sincere question - I don't know the answer to this. I'd lean toward 'not very much,' but I don't know the real answer. Game sales? Possibly, but console itself?
SunBroDave
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I literally can because it's literally common sense.
Calamari41
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I think we're talking over each other, because I'm not trying to say that Zelda is its combat. All I'm saying is that they're mechanically similar games, as in they have similar controls and play styles. I've even said that Souls is what Zelda might have become if the team had focused on combat more than puzzles, the implication being that Zelda is way more about puzzles than combat. And all of that is beside the point I've been trying to make all this time, which was about studio output and not "Zelda literally is Dark Souls."
I honestly had no idea that the Zelda and Dark Souls communities were at war with each other, and I never would have used those games as an example for studios who have faster game output than Nintendo if I had known.
DecoReturns
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So if Nintendo is serious about leaving E3 for good could this mean this is sign that this is their lady one?
Go out with a bang on Zelda and then just focus on their own event?
I see they started to branch out more with licensing deals.
Go out with a bang on Zelda and then just focus on their own event?
I see they started to branch out more with licensing deals.
Sylverstone14
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My take on this is mostly that of Nintendo legitimately pulling a hard reset. They definitely seem done with the Wii U/3DS era, even though Kimishima said that NX wouldn't be an outright replacement (because third pillars totally work, right).
Anyways, I'm drawing some parallels here from what I read in the book "Console Wars", where Nintendo was so committed to showing off how amazing Donkey Kong Country was (especially with it being a 16-bit SNES game), they built their entire 1994 Summer CES showing around the game itself.
Of course, there are some differences with the comparison, but if Nintendo's really banking hard on getting everyone hyped for Zelda to come within a year's time, they really must have something amazing to show that prompted them to keelhaul all other games for just Zelda.
Anyways, I'm drawing some parallels here from what I read in the book "Console Wars", where Nintendo was so committed to showing off how amazing Donkey Kong Country was (especially with it being a 16-bit SNES game), they built their entire 1994 Summer CES showing around the game itself.
Of course, there are some differences with the comparison, but if Nintendo's really banking hard on getting everyone hyped for Zelda to come within a year's time, they really must have something amazing to show that prompted them to keelhaul all other games for just Zelda.
dampflokfreund
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Not saying this is a good thing, but atleast Nintendo kills the hype before E3, so you can't get disappointed.
The only disappointing thing which could happen would be Zelda U being awful, which is highly unlikely.
The only disappointing thing which could happen would be Zelda U being awful, which is highly unlikely.
Incitemaybe
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Hey Nintenfo, I don't want to watch other people play the new Zekda.....at all. Much of the fun is the discovery of everything about it for me.
I personally don't care when it's released just as long as it's *done*.
I personally don't care when it's released just as long as it's *done*.
That's the whole point, shit happened. We don't know what, but it's more likely to be hardware related. And it didn't impact just the E3, but also NX and Zelda timeline. Obviously the shit is fixable relatively quickly, seeing as they announced March 2017 for NX, but not quickly enough to fix the E3 showing.
If what Rösti pointed about the booth instead booths, that's even more proof towards that.
Ghost_Messiah
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It's pretty pathetic but I guess they're in a difficult position with the NX being delayed until 2017.
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