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Emily Rogers: NX Not Using x86 Architecture - Won't Blow Away Current Gen Consoles
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Astral Dog
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it depends what pricepoint they are targeting and what system design they have,their new idea, competitive price, etc. what is going to break it is,imo, what the Wii U had, heavily customized and expensive (but weak) CPU/GPU instead of "off the shelve" simple parts ala PS4 or Xbox ONE, because that is going to complicate things quite a bit.
that would have been the very first part i expected Nintendo to change, other than the brand,
edit: and no Wii (as DS) was quite well designed for an SD system, its success helped developers to keep game costs down on an industry with budget problems and lack of variety.
even if it was just temporary.
That's incorrect. Smash is 1080p60fps, Zelda is 1080p30fps. Everything else is 720p and 30/60fps.
AtomicShroom
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The real question is: Is it more powerful than two Wii U's duct-taped together??
If NX is close to Xbox One, even if that's "stretching it a tiny bit," then I'll be very happy. XB1 runs most third party games well enough and that would be a big improvement over Wii U.
The Nvidia rumor is surprising considering Nintendo's long standing relationship with ATI/AMD. Then again they did talk to Nvidia about 3DS before ultimately going with DMP.
The Nvidia rumor is surprising considering Nintendo's long standing relationship with ATI/AMD. Then again they did talk to Nvidia about 3DS before ultimately going with DMP.
I am pretty sure she has solid enough info, the problem is that the person giving her the info was vague and her own knowledge of tech isn't good enough. It sounds like GCN2/Polaris with maybe 10CUs @ 900mhz or so? hardware numbers finalize pretty late, in fact, it could still change, a higher clock could push the number from (1152GFLOPs in my example) to 1280gflops or even as high as 1536GFLOPs if they went insane with clocks. GCN2 is a lot more potent than PS4/XB1's GCN, which makes it hard to compare numbers, but 1152GFLOPs would sit fairly close to PS4, and with a faster CPU, you could see it out perform the PS4 from time to time.
-Pyromaniac-
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I still think the NX should be handheld only with a box that you can use to stream handheld games to your tv so I'm cool with this rumour because it doesn't rule it out at all.
No, it's a dedicated effort. If it were just about low power consumption, it would either use Polaris and be on-part with PS4, or would use a mobile chipset and be super cheap and much weaker than Xbone. Being on-par with Xbone requires a dedicated effort, considering the fact that this is going to end up using at least 50% more power than Wii U anyway. They don't have a specific power consumption target. This was clearly a dedicated effort at being the minimum for current engines.
GhostTrick
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1152gflops would sit fairly close to XB1. Not PS4. GCN 2.0 or not, it's still GCN and a 1.1Tflops chip wont perform like a 1.8Tflops one.
wonderful103
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How much does a 14nm wafer cost? You seem to know, judging by your posts.
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They could be the Parker chips which were suppose to be Maxwell based but Nvidia confirmed they are gonna be pascal cause the time table shifted.
Those would be industry leading like mobile chips as Nvidia likes to claim.
I hate the use of the word Pascal though as in passing it conjures up some 12 teraflop Titan X flagship successor in some people's mind.
MrCunningham
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It becomes more apparent that Nintendo wants to keep their hardware a secret until the console launch.
Crimson_Gold
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Likely more powerful than 2 Wii U's tied together by a 3DS charging cable.
I can see Nintendo going with ARM in order to easily place their mobile offerings on the NX as well.
darkistheway
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If this rumor is true, then wouldn't it be an strong indicator that Nintendo doesn't care about big scale AAA budget games currently found on PS4/Xbox One/PC and is instead focusing on the ever-expanding mobile audience?
ARM/Tegra/whatever would make all those money-making mobile games a good fit on the NX.
ARM/Tegra/whatever would make all those money-making mobile games a good fit on the NX.
Astral Dog
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Wii U is a system designed for 720p games, only a few actually managed to be 1080p but those were remasters or simplified games. when you had to take advantage of the system power a 720p image was basically the only choice.
Smash 4 and Wind Waker still look lovely though
Dark Cloud
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SCD is still in play. I hope it's going to be used and Emily doesn't spill the beans on it.
Glorified G
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Thanks for the props!
Try WebMD.
GhostTrick
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It's also about price. Yes with Polaris they could have a 50W chip performing like PS4. But they dont care about this. It's not going to help them anyway. The closer they are to the handheld, the better flr them.
i'm sick of all this speculation. don't believe this one.
but if true they're fucked all over again. a nintendo box with no third party support (xbone powered and non x86 would get fuck all third party support) won't sell shit. bookmark this shit if it ends up being true. quote me. DO IT
but if true they're fucked all over again. a nintendo box with no third party support (xbone powered and non x86 would get fuck all third party support) won't sell shit. bookmark this shit if it ends up being true. quote me. DO IT
Vanillalite
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If it's Parker that shit hasn't been shown off yet to anyone in any actual fashion beyond just the Drive PX2 car shit this last CES.
Might not be Nintendo's call as Nvidia might not be ready.
Cookie Dough
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This has been obvious for a very long time. Nintendo isn't stupid, they know they're not going to convince people to cross over from the PS4 or Xbox One to play the latest Bethesda game or whatever on the NX. It's insanity to think Nintendo are making a machine for this.
Maybe they are aiming at a super low price or something. $150-200 console at launch.
Only reason I can think of. Nintendo has realized they will be regulated to secondary console status and is finally embracing it with the right price point.
If its underpowered, I would only buy it at GameCube era $99.
Only reason I can think of. Nintendo has realized they will be regulated to secondary console status and is finally embracing it with the right price point.
If its underpowered, I would only buy it at GameCube era $99.
...and that's exactly what you'll get, m8.
GhostTrick
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You're making a lot of wrong assumptions here. First, thinking that lack of 3rd party support is due to power or architecture.
Second, that 3rd parties will make NX sell. Second, that they need to sell a lot of units to be successfull.
Based on rumors, IPC gains are pretty substantial. It would noticeably beat Xbone for sure.
darkistheway
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Exactly. It was a rhetorical question.
Cookie Dough
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Exactly. It was a rhetorical question.
More addressed at the thread, not you. I think a bunch of people here have insane expectations for the NX.
GhostTrick
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No, based on rumours, it's the power consumption gain that is. Polaris 10 is expected to perform like R9 390X with less compute units... But thanks to a higher clockspeed. Also power consumption is twice smaller.
Theanine3D
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Their simplistic cartoon art styles are much less performance-intensive than realistic ones, which gives them potential room to run at 1080p. So I wouldn't count that out just yet. Even my $99 Fire TV can run 3D games at 1080p, because the games are specifically designed around the hardware limitations.
If Smash Bros on Wii U managed to be 1080p they should have no problem achieving that for most of their cartoon-ish games on even more powerful hardware.
Justice_Bolt
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They will never learn. Xbox one power for the NX in 2017 would be bad.
GCN2 is the architecture in "polaris" which has a much higher performance per flop... it would sit very close to PS4 in this case, and it is exactly the type of thing that would give you confusing rumors. Also if PS4k is actually polaris, there is a chance that the thing will actually produce 4k gaming of PS4 games, as the GPU at 4.2TFLOPs would be close to 4x PS4's performance.
captain_skyhawk
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so basically no third party support what so ever.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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That would be a shame if Nintendo decided to do 720p 60fps. I mean cool but they should AIM for 1080p and 60fps. Even X1 cant run most games in 1080/60. If this is below that would mean more scaled down games in order reach the 60fps. LOOKING AT SMASHBROS 👀and I fucking love SMASH
-Pyromaniac-
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Hope so!
I assume you mean portable? Mobile is usually associated with phones.
Unless you're saying nintendo is planning on making half their money from phone games.
im definitely not expecting anything like that. even with nintendos supplemental computing Patent. Although only having to output to a 540/720p screen should allow them to have a similar amount of graphical effects compared to a Titan X running at 4K. Hopefully.
I think my biggest hope is that if Nivida is making the chips. The Handheld might support V-sync. Which should help games look better even if they can't stick to exactly 60fps
Final Verdict
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I think I understand....
So x86 supports more technical formats, but takes up more memory (RAM or HD space?) and can run slower.
ARM has more narrow support, but is better optimized, and takes up less memory space.
TheCongressman1
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Same sentiment, here. As long as Nintendo can work their magic with it, I'll be happy.
Not to say I don't find the tech talks interesting, I just don't really care if it compares to PS4 or whatever.
I don't understand why these would be in development. Zelda I get, but there's very little need for these other games, especially SSB4.
Reallink
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Who the flying fuck is going to buy a barely Xbone equivalent console in 2017 for a premium price? They won't even be able to count on die hard Nintendo fans with something that stupid. There is no appeal whatsoever, no saving grace to such a product unless it is dirt cheap. Even $199 would be going head to head with reduced priced OG Xbone/PS4's, which based on this rumor, will still be more powerful and have 50x the software support.
Suddenly dodging E3 makes a lot of sense if this is true. This device would look comical next to the assumed Neo/XTwo, and even a Wiimote-level gimmick would be drowned in the backlash.
Given that Smash 4 DLC just ended this past February, we'd be stuck waiting 4-5 years for another Smash game. Having a port of Smash 4 would essentially buy Sakurai some time to do whatever & not be in a rush to make Smash 5.
Think about how many consumers never bought a Wii U.
Think about how long it takes between smash bros games.
Would you rather: wait 5-6 years for smash on NX or get a port of smash 4 you can play early on?
For the millions of other potential Smash Wii U customers who never bought a Wii U (and likely won't anymore because it's a dying/dead system w/ a brand new one on the horizon), there's smash NX.
If you already own it on Wii U and don't want to buy it again, you don't have to. It makes sense from a business point of view, I think.
1. it is
2. they will
3. they do
if you want a console that lacks third party support due to low power/strange architecture and used first party games to sell a grand total of fuck all units, the wii u is right there.
nintendo should probably do the opposite of that if they want to be successful going forward.
Horsemama1956
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Don't really see people trusting Nintendo with anything other than a handheld at this point. I don't understand why they cant just release something normal. Everything since the N64 has gotten stupider and stupider.
After the first year I'm guessing it'll just be Nintendo games and Indie.
After the first year I'm guessing it'll just be Nintendo games and Indie.
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