Spyder_Monkey
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But he literally said it isn't.
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Kimishima: "NX is neither the successor to the Wii U nor to the 3DS."
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But he literally said it isn't.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Ugh I'm so excited for NX.
March 2017 right? I'll probably line up on Nintendo World and meet all the Nintendrones. It will be an eventful day.
A bless.
March 2017 right? I'll probably line up on Nintendo World and meet all the Nintendrones. It will be an eventful day.
A bless.
MikeE21286
Member
There's no way they continue to make games for Wii U after NX comes out. I think what he's trying to say is that this is not the evolution of the Wii/Wii U business but a revolution to their hardware business and strategy.
He's just articulating it poorly.
He's just articulating it poorly.
No, he's articulating it exactly how they did with the DS.
It was bullshit then, and it's bullshit now.
Not that I disagree with you - at all, really! - but... what would it even be? I just can't think of anything that would make it different enough. If it's something that can support a port of Zelda Wii U, then it's going to be similar enough to the Wii U in terms of how games are played. Which means it's going to support console-style games.
It's hard to actually be different from something you're so heavily imitating.
At best, I think we can safely expect some sort of weird hybrid thing with the supplemental computing device patent supporting its "transformation" from a handheld into a console. Which is great, I'm in full support of that idea. But that's not "third form" material... Unless "third form" means "first form plus second form equals third form".
So, what is your idea for what it could be?
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Pretty obvious to me he just means it'll be a new concept.
bobbychalkers
Member
Pretty much, Wii U is dead the second NX lands on shelves. 3DS could live on for a while, especially considering its having an "I can't hold all these games!" year.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Didn't they say this same thing when they announced the DS?
Elfforkusu
Member
Yeah, and it was delayed because of software issues.
Got it!
Got it!
MikeE21286
Member
See I agree with you but I think the situation is kind of different.
With the transition from GBA to DS they were potentially supplanting a very successful concept for something completely new, so they were trying to hedge their bets with the "third pillar" concept (i.e. Nonsense).
This time they are completely pulling away from the sinking ship that is the Wii branding.
Still I do agree that this is just posturing.
NinjaCoachZ
Member
I guess it's a third pillar in the sense that one pillar is a bit shaky but still holding, and the second pillar is totally crumbling. I mean, the Wii U is forecasting 800k for the whole year. I don't think the GameCube ever did that badly. Pretty unlikely it and NX will coexist.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Call it a third pillar all you want, it doesn't change the fact that the 3DS and Wii U had a terrible 2015, which I think is fair to attribute that to shifting away from them.
AwakenedCloud
Member
Everyone here is saying Third Pillar, but from what we've heard it's sounding much more like a Single Pillar strategy.
Whoa
That fits too well
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Well he's right. A hybrid is a successor to both.
Theanine3D
Member
Nintendo struggled to support two "pillars" this gen. And now you want to add a third?
Who believes this? lol
Who believes this? lol
RomanticHeroX
Member
It wouldn't be such a struggle to support a third pillar since the other two have already died and crumbled away.
Graphics Horse
Member
I keep jumping around to different ideas, but I think they could be interested in offering a system that works on smart devices instead of just tvs. Take the bottom half of a shield portable and have it stream anywhere local, sell a snap on screen which on its own doubles as a cheap tablet in cooperation with Amazon if not regular android. Home hub is another idea although I'm not keen on the idea of having to plug in your portable and then switch to another controller.
The Baron Count
Member
I'm honestly starting to get irritated at all the speculation and non-info surrounding this thing.
As much as I want to know what they are doing next, at this point I think my main feeling when they finally show it will just be relief that all these headlines that we constantly get are done.
As much as I want to know what they are doing next, at this point I think my main feeling when they finally show it will just be relief that all these headlines that we constantly get are done.
Which Facebook post was this? If it was written by PR I wouldn't necessarily take too much stick in it. They might've not had the foreknowledge about NX to intentionally indicate anything specific about the console one way or the other.
I think cagey PR speak pre-release is just the way the (video) game (industry) is played. Hopefully they can be clearer about what this means once the platform is revealed.
linkandzelda
Member
He said it before but in slightly more ambiguous terms (although that could just be different translations), iirc.
I still think this is probably corporate speak to (falsely) reassure investors that existing businesses will still continue and to hype up the NX.
I think that at least the first form of the NX will end up looking remarkably like a traditional home console with an added feature/gimmick/whatever you want to call it.
I still think this is probably corporate speak to (falsely) reassure investors that existing businesses will still continue and to hype up the NX.
I think that at least the first form of the NX will end up looking remarkably like a traditional home console with an added feature/gimmick/whatever you want to call it.
30yearsofhurt
Member
A new way to play games...
yeah, that's just what we need Nintendo.
yeah, that's just what we need Nintendo.
ForsakenLotus
Member
Does this quote convey any meaningful message, or am I just being dense?
linkandzelda
Member
It is intended to mean that the NX is something new, not like either 3DS or Wii U. But as it is PR-speak then, no, it does not convey any meaningful message as it does not have any hard facts which are the only things you can rely on from PR. (And even then, they may be intentionally framed to imply a false narrative.)
Haha, I sure hope you're wrong, 'cause that sounds so incredibly unappealing to me it might result in me not even getting it.
An important observation, though, is that none of the patents back up what you're proposing here. While patents obviously aren't everything, at this point if it were something as radical as that, they'd probably have filed at least one patent that would back it up.
DrROBschiz
Member
Its marketing speak
NX is absolutely replacing Wiiu/3DS going forward. He just wantd to create distance fomr the old hardware any way he can
NX is absolutely replacing Wiiu/3DS going forward. He just wantd to create distance fomr the old hardware any way he can
Cheat Code
Member
It's going to be based around a gimmick like their last three consoles and it's not going to change.
Graphics Horse
Member
Haha, I sure hope you're wrong, 'cause that sounds so incredibly unappealing to me it might result in me not even getting it.
An important observation, though, is that none of the patents back up what you're proposing here. While patents obviously aren't everything, at this point if it were something as radical as that, they'd probably have filed at least one patent that would back it up.
Well there was a recently updated old 3ds patent that got additions for something that interacts with a stereoscopic tablet device, I thought that was pretty curious. There was also the infamous handheld with card slot and funny shaped screen that more resembled a controller than a classic portable form factor.
I don't think we can rely on patents to tell us anything about a specific product though.
BoboBrazil
Member
Probably, probably merged together with that health thing they were talking about last year.
MindGamingMantis
Banned
This
That's the thing though. What new way could Nintendo have people playing video games? Call me cynical, but having a portable that plays one game and then you come home and plug it in to continue playing that game isn't disruptive enough (IMO) to warrant some hotcake-like selling of the NX.
Pokemaniac
Member
I'm pretty sure they're just trying to distance this from their current hardware, particularly the Wii U stigma.
cj_iwakura
Member
What if it's a phone?
the ds is interesting. it was obviously a stopgap to make sure there was a new handheld to battle the psp early on. it was originally the 'game boy ds' but after a while, the 'game boy' part was dropped, probably to let the game boy brand live if the product was a failure. a followup to the game boy advance was also in the works at the time, probably meant for a release in 2006 or later, but after the success of the ds lite, all those plans were dropped and support for the ds intensified.
as for the nx, there's two reasons for this recurring statement from nintendo's presidents:
1. although it's obvious from their forecasts where they expect the 3ds and wii u to be in the market place, they don't want to hamper sales even more by outright explaining there will be a successor platform soon.
2. the nx is actually a hub of sorts, like the uwp, that allows nintendo to support multiple form factors. in this sense, the nx as 'one thing' really isn't going to succeed the wii u or the 3ds because neither platform was created in this way.
Graphics Horse
Member
Yeah Iwata was first saying this just over a year ago, at the first quarterly investor meeting that followed the NX/DeNa announcement. I feel that Kimishima has elaborated slightly further though.