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I think Wii U is Nintendo's best console since the SNES
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GiantBreadbug
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It has the best Smash, best Kart, Splatoon, DKCR2, SM3DW, Pokken, Pikmin 3, Nintendo Land (amazing game), lots more great stuff from Nintendo, an amazing indie selection, and soon Zelda BotW.
It's my favorite Nintendo console. I get the disappointments but it's really my most played game machine ever (actually probably tied with 3DS).
It's my favorite Nintendo console. I get the disappointments but it's really my most played game machine ever (actually probably tied with 3DS).
Fantastical
Death Prophet
If Wii U had any momentum I think it would have had a truly spectacular lineup. Instead Nintendo jumped ship and its library is solid but small.
PeterOliver
Member
If it didn't have the GamePad and cost $100 less it would be been a huge success.
Kinda agree. it's way above Wii for me,But Wii u is kinda tied with Gamecube as my favorite Nintendo system.
Gamecube's Mario and Zelda games were really weak imo. Outside metroid prime and melee, I mostly played 3rd party games on that system.
Wii u is completely opposite of cube for me.
It has a fantastic first party output way above cube days.
3d world > Sunshine
pikmin 3> pikmin 1+2, the controls for that game are amazing also visually look soo good
Smash bros 4> brawl, but its not better than melee imo
Mario kart 8>>>>>all the Mario kart games
Even if the system hasn't got a Zelda, yet. It's library is really good so far, shame about metroid but honestly I don't miss metroid.
Shame about 3rd parties though.
I loved the Wii u until ...this year where it feels like the system is completely dead.
Gamecube's Mario and Zelda games were really weak imo. Outside metroid prime and melee, I mostly played 3rd party games on that system.
Wii u is completely opposite of cube for me.
It has a fantastic first party output way above cube days.
3d world > Sunshine
pikmin 3> pikmin 1+2, the controls for that game are amazing also visually look soo good
Smash bros 4> brawl, but its not better than melee imo
Mario kart 8>>>>>all the Mario kart games
Even if the system hasn't got a Zelda, yet. It's library is really good so far, shame about metroid but honestly I don't miss metroid.
Shame about 3rd parties though.
I loved the Wii u until ...this year where it feels like the system is completely dead.
Petrae
Member
I would have given WiiU a bit more consideration without the GamePad and at a lower price point, but issues with weak third-party support remain. Even $200 is a bit much for me to drop on what is essentially a Nintendo-only box, and even then, Nintendo's WiiU games haven't been attractive enough to me.
The only three WiiU games I had some interest in were Hyrule Warriors, Smash Bros., and Bayonetta 2. I can play the first two on my new 3DS, meaning that I'd be spending money on a console to not miss out on one game... and that just doesn't justify $200 (let alone $300) for me.
User 479360
Banned
I disagree. The N64 was one of the greatest consoles ever made, and far better than the Wii U.
I like the Wii U, but am not crazy about it. I kind of dread using it sometimes because of the gimmicks and dated thinking. But it has some really solid games.
I like the Wii U, but am not crazy about it. I kind of dread using it sometimes because of the gimmicks and dated thinking. But it has some really solid games.
To Far Away Times
Member
The cream of the crop Wii U games are really damn good. And more than anything else, I think a handful of some of the best games of all time is what makes a system kindly remembered by history.
I agree with the OP, it's their best console since the SNES.
I agree with the OP, it's their best console since the SNES.
dragonyeuw
Member
We've both stated our opinions, and since we're arguing on different criteria it ultimately makes for a pointless conversation. I place value on the diversity of the library, genres being represented to various degrees, regardless of whether a particular genre is important to me personally. Heck, your first post I replied to you spoke to the entirety of games. I'm assuming you mean looking at all games available. How can you take that position, but then dismiss the sports genre from the equation because you personally find no value in them?
The GC's library is more diverse in terms of first and third party support, that's not even a point that really can be argued.
Jubenhimer
Member
I really don't see what's so amazing about the Wii U. There are some great games, fantastic games even. But aside from HD and online, the Wii did almost everything else much better IMO. Sure the U may have a better Smash and Mario Kart, but they're no replacement for the Rail Shooters, a Proper WarioWare, Red Steel 2, good local multiplayer, better VC, even quirky niche games like MadWorld and Murumassa. I really can't see how anyone can say it's better than the Wii. My guess is because they get to play Nintendo games in HD with a somewhat "normal" control scheme. But if you look at it from a more open minded perspective, the whole platform is a mess. It lacks the Innovative spirit of the Wii/DS era, aside from Splatoon and Mario Maker, and almost no games give proper justification to the Gamepad. Why is a system with an expensive slapped together gimmick, safe first party games, terrible local multiplayer, and slow, bloated software, is better than a system with great local multiplayer, snappy, easy to use UI, more good games, great arcadey and pick-up-and-play games, and a gimmick that's both easy to understand, and has a reason to exist (when used properly of course)?
broncobuster
Banned
Too few fresh and exciting games beyond Splatoon and Mario Maker for my tastes. And to contradict myself, there's no worthwhile F-Zero or Metroid follow up on Wii U.
but Galaxy isn't very good and 3D World is great
But he's not directly comparing them. He's saying Wii U is the best Nintendo console since the SNES. In other words, he holds Wii U higher than N64, GC and Wii. He never said Wii U was equal to SNES.
Voysa Reezun
Banned
I just don't see it - I think the N64 and Wii ultimately have the best versions and the most good versions, respectively, of key IPs. I think the WiiU first-party games are more mediocre-to-bad than in any other generation. I think that the online is mediocre, and the local multiplayer is worse than on N64, GCN, or Wii. I think that the main controller is the worst controller for any console release since the Atari Jaguar. The third-party support is worse than every other Nintendo console (some may argue that it's better than the N64, but I'd take the AKI wrestling games and the Snowboard Kids games alone over anything third-party on WiiU).
I don't see any argument for the WiiU being anything but the worst non-Virtual Boy console release in Nintendo's history, and since I personally like the Virtual Boy, I'd say that the WiiU is personally my least favorite thing that Nintendo's ever released, even more than the Gamecube, a console that I personally find to be awful.
I don't see any argument for the WiiU being anything but the worst non-Virtual Boy console release in Nintendo's history, and since I personally like the Virtual Boy, I'd say that the WiiU is personally my least favorite thing that Nintendo's ever released, even more than the Gamecube, a console that I personally find to be awful.
I'm glad the OP has enjoyed his console. The Wii U was probably my worst console purchase to date. I think I purchased 5 games total for it. I have owned all Nintendo consoles except for the Wii and this was by far my least favorite of them. IMO Nintendo never truly supported this console, the launch lineup was garbage and 3rd parties abandoned soon after. I truly hope they have learned from this and abandon the gimmicks and give the NX some power because like it or not console specs matter now.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
It's probably their worse console since nes
console specs have always mattered, nintendo has just been trying to cheap out to make quick easy money. :/
I can play my top 4 favorite games of all time on it (Metroid Prime, DKCTF, Darksiders 2, Arkham City).
So that's cool.
I think the system gets a lot of undeserved shit because of what it's lacking (third-party support, certain Nintendo IPs like Metroid and F-Zero) and people ignore the great things it does have (great Nintendo games, some being arguably the best in their series, and lots of indie games).
Overall, it turned out to be an awesome system despite lacking some major things. I'm not sure how I'd stack it up against the other Nintendo consoles, but if I were to make a list of games I found awesome on each console, it'd probably come out quite favorably.
Also, I don't know how people are saying the N64 was better. Yeah, Mario 64 and Zelda were revolutionary, and there were some other great games like Banjo and Paper Mario. But most N64 games have aged really poorly, and I'm not just talking about the graphics.
So that's cool.
I think the system gets a lot of undeserved shit because of what it's lacking (third-party support, certain Nintendo IPs like Metroid and F-Zero) and people ignore the great things it does have (great Nintendo games, some being arguably the best in their series, and lots of indie games).
Overall, it turned out to be an awesome system despite lacking some major things. I'm not sure how I'd stack it up against the other Nintendo consoles, but if I were to make a list of games I found awesome on each console, it'd probably come out quite favorably.
Also, I don't know how people are saying the N64 was better. Yeah, Mario 64 and Zelda were revolutionary, and there were some other great games like Banjo and Paper Mario. But most N64 games have aged really poorly, and I'm not just talking about the graphics.
TBF, two of those you should be playing on pc
ZombiePlatypus
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Such an underrated system. It's 1st party line-up + being the only current console that offers, true, competent BC make it god-tier.
I blame:
1) Nintendo for treating it with an abysmal 1st year. They had a year's head start on the competition, and Nintendo squandered it with a barren launch-line up and horrendous messaging and marketing. I think this was the biggest and deadliest blow for the WiiU, and Nintendo served it up right from the start. They also didn't do enough to showcase gameplay possibilities with the gamepad.
2) 3rd parties. They were given a new, different platform that would enable them to make different type of games. Instead of exploring this, most that bothered to support the console, gave us ports that play more or less the same (without really utilizing what sets the WiiU apart) then wondered why customers didn't buy a graphically inferior WiiU port of their games.
I blame:
1) Nintendo for treating it with an abysmal 1st year. They had a year's head start on the competition, and Nintendo squandered it with a barren launch-line up and horrendous messaging and marketing. I think this was the biggest and deadliest blow for the WiiU, and Nintendo served it up right from the start. They also didn't do enough to showcase gameplay possibilities with the gamepad.
2) 3rd parties. They were given a new, different platform that would enable them to make different type of games. Instead of exploring this, most that bothered to support the console, gave us ports that play more or less the same (without really utilizing what sets the WiiU apart) then wondered why customers didn't buy a graphically inferior WiiU port of their games.
I haven't bought a Nintendo console since the SNES until I purchased a Wii U for Super Mario Maker. I think there will be greater appreciation for the Wii U as the years go on, but right now you have to put the Wii and the Gamecube above it. The Wii sold a ton and could play GC games, and the titles on the Gamecube still hold up to this day.
I'm still happy with my purchase, but the console would be in a lot better shape if not for Nintendo forcing the tablet gimmick on people among other issues. The good thing is that the Wii U has some great first party titles and can play games from many different consoles, which will definitely come in handy if the NX doesn't have backwards compatibility.
I'm still happy with my purchase, but the console would be in a lot better shape if not for Nintendo forcing the tablet gimmick on people among other issues. The good thing is that the Wii U has some great first party titles and can play games from many different consoles, which will definitely come in handy if the NX doesn't have backwards compatibility.
I don't agree at all, I think it's Nintendo's worst console (other than Virtual Boy), probably by a significant margin. I think it's severely lacking in quantity of games compared to other Nintendo consoles. Many major Nintendo franchises are outright missing (exclusive Zelda, Metroid, Pokemon, Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Mario Golf or Strikers off the top of my head), and the third-party support is abysmal even compared to N64/Gamecube/Wii, looking at the lists in my topic here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1220838
I don't regret purchasing it, I enjoyed my Wii U and it's justified itself as a console worth owning to me. It's still worse than the NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, and Wii IMO.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1220838
I don't regret purchasing it, I enjoyed my Wii U and it's justified itself as a console worth owning to me. It's still worse than the NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, and Wii IMO.
The idea that the "Nintendo cycle" will result in more people hating the WiiU sure is a bizarre one when just about nobody likes it right now. Like its predecessors it will probably go down better in memory, and if it had a "proper" Metroid game I think more people here would think highly of it.
Jubenhimer
Member
I know, but to me, the Wii U feels like it's getting more and more overrated by the Nintendo Fandom each day. They ignore serious fundamental problems with the system, failing to do what it's predecessor did well, all because it has a better Smash and Mario Kart that are played with "normal" control schemes. I take back what I said earlier, the Wii U will get more appreciation as time goes on, it does have great games, and there are some good ideas behind it. But I just wish Nintendo fans would wake up and see just how poorly executed and badly designed the Wii U really is.
As a huge Wii U fan, I am very aware of its flaws and have expressed frustrations with some of the decisions they've made with the console. Despite its problems, it doesn't change the fact that the console has provided me some truly excellent games and many hours of entertainment.
papercan55
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FalsettoVibe
Member
Respectfully disagree.
Dude, the NES has a lot of good games on it!!!
What in the world?
Yep.
magnumpy
Member
it's worse than that. if peoples reaction was a violent "NO!" to Wii-U that would at least be something to work with, it's an uphill battle to be waged but at least you're in the fight.
instead peoples reaction was "ho-hum, I don't care. nintendos no longer relevant and they're not even on my radar screen"
at least Zelda: BotW looks interesting. hopefully that will be the first page of a long book that will be nintendos return to relevance.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
It's easy to look at a few good games and say it's so great, but nah wii u isnt great. It's much closer to fact than not. You base a system based on it's games, playability and fun. If you stack it all up, wii u is lower than dreamcast, all of nintendos past consoles, way below the saturn and below other lower tier systems such as the neo geo, turbo grafix etc
gamerMan
Member
I think it's Nintendo's most important system because it was a complete failure. It's a fun system but there just weren't enough games on it. Nintendo blew it with the weak launch library and couldn't really gain any traction. While HD versions of popular franchises were great, Nintendo is at its best when they do something new. My favorite games were Splatoon and Mario Maker. I can't wait to see what Nintendo does next and hopefully Nintendo will learn from the Wii U's shortcomings.
xenorevlis
Member
I mean, if this is what you need to deal with the reality of Wii U, fine.
However, this is not at all the case for me, as I owned an NES and Genesism but loved the SNES my friends had enough to upgrade to N64 instead of a PSone. Loved the N64 and the GameCube enough to get a Wii until it was collecting dust a year later.
GameCube, N64, SNES, and NES were all amazing. Wii and Wii U were not in the same category, even though the Wii popularized motion controls and wider-audience gaming.
Ceadeus
Gold Member
+1 to this
JinjoUnchained
Member
Better than the SNES? No. Best since the SNES? Absolutely, for me at least. All consoles have their downsides, but those of the Wii U really don't bother me. I'll break it down:
Lack of consistent good use of GamePad functionality: a bit disappointing, but a few games used it brilliantly (Nintendo Land/Mario Maker/Splatoon) and it really doesn't matter if the games in general are good.
Poor battery life: no different than other current gen consoles. Plus I don't usually play for more than a few hours at a time.
Lack of third party support: got a PS4 for that, and I don't play most of these titles anyway.
Short lifespan/droughts: sucks, but the games it did get have tremendous replay value and there's more than enough to keep you busy. Only really a problem for those who need something new every week and my wallet can't take that.
So that leaves us with the strengths. Number one is how with Wii U games, Nintendo got back to what they're good at: fast paced, fun action with bright appealing graphics, great music, and tons of content/value. No more of this blue ocean, water it down, random tripping, excessive rubber banding, "here's a tutorial on how to use an analog stick" game design. Smash 4 and Mario Kart 8 balanced out being welcoming for newcomers and satisfying for experts. Wii U has awesome, progressive 2D platformers with tons of content like NSMB U, Rayman Legends, Tropical Freeze, and Shovel Knight. Fresh mashups or refinements of earlier concepts like Pikmin 3 and 3D World. Novel and fun spinoffs like Hyrule Warriors and Capitan Todd. And, for fun, through in some outstanding exclusives in genres the system isn't known for like Bayonetta 2 and Xenoblade Chronicles X.
These games have some common traits. They're easy to pick up and play, appealing, fun, and addictive. That's what Nintendo was all about with the NES/SNES, and these games have really delivered on that front on the Wii U. Oh, and the Pro Controller, Miiverse, Off-TV play, and TV remote functionality all rule. Long live the Wii U, OP is right.
Lack of consistent good use of GamePad functionality: a bit disappointing, but a few games used it brilliantly (Nintendo Land/Mario Maker/Splatoon) and it really doesn't matter if the games in general are good.
Poor battery life: no different than other current gen consoles. Plus I don't usually play for more than a few hours at a time.
Lack of third party support: got a PS4 for that, and I don't play most of these titles anyway.
Short lifespan/droughts: sucks, but the games it did get have tremendous replay value and there's more than enough to keep you busy. Only really a problem for those who need something new every week and my wallet can't take that.
So that leaves us with the strengths. Number one is how with Wii U games, Nintendo got back to what they're good at: fast paced, fun action with bright appealing graphics, great music, and tons of content/value. No more of this blue ocean, water it down, random tripping, excessive rubber banding, "here's a tutorial on how to use an analog stick" game design. Smash 4 and Mario Kart 8 balanced out being welcoming for newcomers and satisfying for experts. Wii U has awesome, progressive 2D platformers with tons of content like NSMB U, Rayman Legends, Tropical Freeze, and Shovel Knight. Fresh mashups or refinements of earlier concepts like Pikmin 3 and 3D World. Novel and fun spinoffs like Hyrule Warriors and Capitan Todd. And, for fun, through in some outstanding exclusives in genres the system isn't known for like Bayonetta 2 and Xenoblade Chronicles X.
These games have some common traits. They're easy to pick up and play, appealing, fun, and addictive. That's what Nintendo was all about with the NES/SNES, and these games have really delivered on that front on the Wii U. Oh, and the Pro Controller, Miiverse, Off-TV play, and TV remote functionality all rule. Long live the Wii U, OP is right.
Personally, I think the Wii had one of the best libraries since the SNES, easily up there with GC. Some of the highlights:
SMG 1&2 ,Metroid Prime 3, Excitebots, Punch Out, Rhythm Heaven Fever, SMBWii, and all those cool Art Style games! Some neat cool 3rd party stuff like Sin & Punishment 2, Boom Blox, Monster Hunter Tri, De Blob 1/2, Toki Tori, and Little King's Story.
However, WiiU had some pretty great stuff
DKC:TF, Pikmin 3, MK8, Smash4 are all absolutely fantastic games that are either at or near the peak of their series' quality. SM3DW, Captain Toad, Splatoon, W101 are all excellent games too.
If there's a weakest major Nintendo console, it's definitely the 64.
SMG 1&2 ,Metroid Prime 3, Excitebots, Punch Out, Rhythm Heaven Fever, SMBWii, and all those cool Art Style games! Some neat cool 3rd party stuff like Sin & Punishment 2, Boom Blox, Monster Hunter Tri, De Blob 1/2, Toki Tori, and Little King's Story.
However, WiiU had some pretty great stuff
DKC:TF, Pikmin 3, MK8, Smash4 are all absolutely fantastic games that are either at or near the peak of their series' quality. SM3DW, Captain Toad, Splatoon, W101 are all excellent games too.
If there's a weakest major Nintendo console, it's definitely the 64.
Jubenhimer
Member
Aside from 3 games, Nintendo hasn't really done much of that. The amount they did is vastly overstated by the fandom. Brawl, MKW, and Skyward Sword were really the only games guilty of that. And Nintendo has always been good at great fun games, the Wii had tons of them. And excessive content is the last thing I would use to describe most Wii U games.
NSMBU and progressive in the same sentence? I don't buy that. It's one of the safest platformers I've ever seen. Safe is a word that describes most of Nintendo's output on the Wii U. Save for Splatoon, Mario Maker, and W101, most of Nintendo's Wii U games are just rehashed Wii/DS ideas, 3D world takes it a step further by rehashing a 3DS game.
That's what Nintendo has ALWAYS been about. That's never changed. I'm sorry if I sound cynical towards the Wii U, but let's be honest here. Nintendo has put out far better products IMO. It has great games true, but most of the brilliance on Wii U honestly, just comes from indie developers. Nintendo played it far too safe with this platform and it's a shame. Splatoon, 101, and Mario Maker are the only things Nintendo has put out that capture the innovative spirit of the Wii/DS era.
Yes, it's up there for me too. Iterations for many franchises are at their best on Wii U. eShop made a huge difference for me as well. Sadly third party support outside of the eShop is abysmal.
Side note, 3DS is my favourite Nintendo handheld. Growing up in the world before NES and Game Boy, I like to think I have a pretty good view of things.
Side note, 3DS is my favourite Nintendo handheld. Growing up in the world before NES and Game Boy, I like to think I have a pretty good view of things.