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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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You raise a good point, but if the Wii U and 3DS are any indication, most devs won't be using the touch screen for anything vital or inventive. To my constant disappointment.
Already Torn
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Even if it's not b/c, I guess it could use the pro controller, yeah?
chaosblade
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Pretty disappointing, as someone who doesn't care much for portables. As long as it's fairly cheap and the TV functionality is good I'd be alright with it though.
LiveFromKyoto
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...so plug it into your TV, as intended?
we'll need to wait for the official reveal, but yeah....
There is the handheld market, and there is the console market. Coming soon we will also have the AIO console market. Is the AIO market going to be home + handheld peeps, the largest of the 3? or a small Venn intersection of Home and Handheld and the smallest of the 3?
Papacheeks
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I am not saying their changes can't or wont be successful, it's just I don't see the future of Nintendo AAA games being on a tablet/mobile type device especially when console gaming is still very huge.
It's just weird, it's like they are looking at anything that will bring them profit instead of anything that would help them climb back up to relevancy with core gamers to help build upon.
OrbitalBeard
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I dunno, but I reckon a ton of people said the same thing before Wii launched.
Frozenprince
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The detachable controller thing alone will confuse the shit out of people
This isnt only a handheld...
I don't see why not as it will most certainly use bluetooth anyway. Yay! Love the Wii U Pro.
Well, if Nvidia gave them the better deal on a mobile chip, and AMD gave them the better deal on a home console chip, and there was a low-level hardware-agnostic graphics API around they could use for both, then maybe they would.
Not that I think they are, but who the hell knows with Nintendo.
Already Torn
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It's got a goofy wow factor though I think. More than "you can use a touchscreen to play!"
DrROBschiz
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Oh god SuperMetalDave going 10k in this bitch
https://twitter.com/SMetaldave64
Is it really plausible that they have a Nvidia Tegra Handheld and an x86 Console SKU?
WTF thats quite the stretch
Just seems unprecedented to contract two competing companies for two linked SKU's
Duh fuck?
https://twitter.com/SMetaldave64
Is it really plausible that they have a Nvidia Tegra Handheld and an x86 Console SKU?
WTF thats quite the stretch
Just seems unprecedented to contract two competing companies for two linked SKU's
Duh fuck?
Really?
But MonHun's always sell 4 Million...
...and Pokemon...
...and Yokai Watch...
Oh, let's look at the latest Japan Sales...
They want to if it's good.
NinjaCoachZ
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Man, this is just sad. 10k just seems like he went in too deep to this NX rumourmongering stuff and became consumed by it.
Yeah, at this point, while nothing is concrete, there's no telling if these independent sources are just leading them on. I just feel like Eurogamer and Kotaku's reports (which back up what Emily has said so far too) are probably the most likely considering their track records.
EDIT: I will say that the possibility of an additional machine isn't really a contradiction though. Metaldave is probably better off than 10k sourcewise but still, grain of salt.
It has been yes, but not as much as of late
I just cant see a cozy, convenient handheld that can run these games. Just doesn't seem possible.
But I'll wait and see the hardware first
IntelliHeath
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I think people should just wait for official announcement for more detailed informations on what would works with upcoming console or not.
I just hope that they are going to add ethernet to the system but I have a doubt that they would.
I just hope that they are going to add ethernet to the system but I have a doubt that they would.
Papacheeks
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And how long did the Wii actually last though? Till what 2010 in terms of relevancy?
Askherserenity
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Not sure how anyone can be disappointed by this. The fact that Nintendo can now focus on just one console is insane. 1st party Nintendo games distilled into just one console sounds so good.
Now home console only people can play all those games that would've been on the 3DS on their home console.
Is it just the power thing?
Now home console only people can play all those games that would've been on the 3DS on their home console.
Is it just the power thing?
The Horror the horror
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The writing is on the wall for Japan as a console market. All the players know this, and eventually SIE will need to reconfigure their strategy for that territory. Nintendo is already starting.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I love portables that can play full console games so I guess I'm happy.
GuitarAtomik
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Honestly, as someone who really hasn't really given a shit about Nintendo since the Gamecube, I could be down with this with caveats. For me, it really depends on price and game lineup though. The idea of throwing all their handheld weight behind a console is specifically what interests me. My problem with modern Nintendo has been that, individually, neither their console nor handheld have enough games for me personally to justify buying either. Throw them all on one device (with a reasonable price) and you might have something.
LiveFromKyoto
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I really hope so, the Wii U pro controller is excellent. Nintendo has a good track record on that front, so I'd expect that as well as wiimote support. I'd be willing to bet there'll be a dedicated NX pro controller as well.
Ninja Scooter
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That is, like, not weird at all. It's incredibly smart, actually. That's what so many seem to be missing. It's like they can't wrap their heads around Nintendo being anything other than "the traditional game company that releases a console and a handheld every 4-5 years".
Dash_Riprock
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Nintendo has always been paranoid as fuck, even when its completely unwarranted.
Mihos
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What if I told you the Pokémon Go crowd are the core gamers now, and we are the outliers?
Frozenprince
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I think just the aesthetic of it will scare consumers
Look at the PS4's Rest Mode functionality: instant suspend and resume on any title. That is basically what the DS and 3DS do when you close the lid, and it is on a home console now. There is no reason to necessarily think that adding in things to benefit a handheld have to be bad for the home console.
It will probably be game by game. Some will be better for portable - like Pokemon. Some will be more for home, like Zelda. Some may be well balanced for both like Mario Kart (7 and 8 are quite similar after all).
this is coming from a layman perspective, but would it be possible that the "home console" dock would allow for, say, an X1 to achieve its true potential by eliminating two concerns it's usually coupled with: overheating (via a superior cooling system) and battery life? that way, in handheld mode, it could render at 720p, and in home console mode, it could render at 1080p? i imagine this would require relatively minimal extra attention from a developer's perspective. i think it's being way too optimistic to expect anything more than a resolution bump from the dock's innards, but again, i'm relatively ignorant about specs.
It could also have simply been an imprecise translation.
This all sounds very good to me. I wasn't feeling up for buying another console, but a powerful handheld designed with TV out in mind is appealing. Playing the new Zelda on such a device should be great.
Hopefully it will have proper dual stick controls and a good quality screen.
Hopefully it will have proper dual stick controls and a good quality screen.
LiveFromKyoto
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I dunno, imagine the Vita +5 years. Seems pretty plausible to me.
Papacheeks
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You understand that Japan mostly your talking about when your bring up sales for those games right?
What about the rest of the world? You think UK/US are going to buy console versions of Yokai watch, monster hunter? Maybe pokemon, but the the others i dont see it.
OrbitalBeard
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Over four years and it's relevancy dropped because Nintendo stopped supporting it.
exmachina64
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The first one just isn't happening.
KingGreasy
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My initial reaction was kind of sour to the prospect of a gimped home console to satisfy the requirements for a handheld console but then I realized I was never planning to buy a Nintendo home console anyways but I was interested in a handheld. My dream handheld has been a 1280x720 4.5-5" display that was around the Xbox 360-PS3-Wii U in hardware. As long as they don't chase the resolution pixie like all those Android stat padders, games will look really nice. Apple on their 4.7" phone is rocking a 1334×750 display. We don't need 2560x1440 displays. 1280x720 is a high enough pixel density. If we're lucky it'll be a 10-bit display with HDR level luminance and contrast. That's probably a pipe dream.
Tegra K1 gives some good hope since it's years old now. Even better is that that was a 28nm part that was Kepler based, that was either A15 or Denver based. Maxwell was big in improving performance per watt over Kepler and now 14nm is the current. Today there's choices of the A72, A73, and an improved Denver core. If they really managed something competitive as the X1 with the minimal cooling of a handheld it'll be a beast at the correct resolution.
I'm even down for the no backwards compatibility. Develop some Wii U ports but two screens are more expensive and having the 3D screen that only Nintendo was using is more expensive. I hope they price it to sell. No more than $200 and bank off software sales. Hopefully they have a good online account system by then, hopefully they have Virtual Console games available by then.
If their online account system and store is good enough, Japanese companies that don't want to risk the cost of shelf space could go digital only in the west. Cut cost more if they forgo dubbing and stick in subtitles. It'll be nice to finally see Pokemon on a device that can push out some nice 3D models. This probably isn't good news for those that prefer a home console. This news makes that sound like it'll be neglected even if there's a dock, that's still another peripheral to buy and those usually don't do as well.
Tegra K1 gives some good hope since it's years old now. Even better is that that was a 28nm part that was Kepler based, that was either A15 or Denver based. Maxwell was big in improving performance per watt over Kepler and now 14nm is the current. Today there's choices of the A72, A73, and an improved Denver core. If they really managed something competitive as the X1 with the minimal cooling of a handheld it'll be a beast at the correct resolution.
I'm even down for the no backwards compatibility. Develop some Wii U ports but two screens are more expensive and having the 3D screen that only Nintendo was using is more expensive. I hope they price it to sell. No more than $200 and bank off software sales. Hopefully they have a good online account system by then, hopefully they have Virtual Console games available by then.
If their online account system and store is good enough, Japanese companies that don't want to risk the cost of shelf space could go digital only in the west. Cut cost more if they forgo dubbing and stick in subtitles. It'll be nice to finally see Pokemon on a device that can push out some nice 3D models. This probably isn't good news for those that prefer a home console. This news makes that sound like it'll be neglected even if there's a dock, that's still another peripheral to buy and those usually don't do as well.
YuriLowell
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Completely not true. I never want to game on a phone.
ShockingAlberto
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In the same answer where Iwata said it's not a hybrid, he did say multiple form factors were an option.
But, again...it's where he said it wasn't a hybrid.
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