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[BD1]

Nintendo HAS to equip this thing with a decent browser and the ability to run social media and communication apps - Instagram/Snapchat/WhatsApp/etc etc. If they can add some of the features that the average user of smart devices sink their time into, they may have a very appealing device to a larger audience.

That being said, this concept excited me. I will probably never sleep again, playing Breath of the Wild tucked into bed, but these are the sacrifices we make.

 

[Thraktor]

While the whole discussion isn't really relevant to this thread, I'd argue that consoles are significantly limited by power, and NV is currently quite a bit better at performance/Watt than AMD.

Oh, I agree, and that has no doubt been a big influence on the use of Nvidia hardware for this portable device, but I was just attempting to counter the notion that it would be completely insane/impossible for Nintendo to release a Nvidia powered handheld and an AMD powered home console, when recent history suggests that AMD is more likely to get home console design wins and Nvidia is more likely to get portable design wins. If there is a separate home console also in the works then my money would be on Nvidia for a variety of reasons, but you couldn't completely rule out the possibility that they'd stick with AMD for the home hardware.

 

[QaaQer]

Right now, I am thinking that the docking station will be "dumb" and just for tv out, ports, etc.

On cooling: What about something like those laptop cooling pads. I've never actually used on and have heard mixed reviews, but those are not official parts specially made to work w/ a specific device like this would be.

If the case is plastic, they wont work worth a damn. You need to be able to transmit heat from source to sink.

 

[Peltz]

I hope this is sarcasm because I can't see this being possible on the NX with the currently revealed information. Even if they say "between WiiU and Xbox One power" I still don't see it playing those titles.

Each of those was on last gen hardware bro...

 

[Wired All Wrong]

I'm not going to believe anything said about this console until an official unveiling. That said, I do like the idea of a device like this. I like portable systems and the ability to put it into a dock to play on my TV would be great. Hope the reveal is soon.

 

[RedSwirl]

Best-case scenario, this thing turns into a more powerful Vita with a TV dock and Nintendo games.

 

[fernoca]

I hope this is sarcasm because I can't see this being possible on the NX with the currently revealed information. Even if they say "between WiiU and Xbox One power" I still don't see it playing those titles.

It is capable.
But same way the Wii U was also capable and didn't get them, it will depend on the publishers (or Nintendo throwing some money at them).

 

[BDGAME]

That's showing 2 Parker SoC which = ~8TFlops combined.

NX would only have 1 Parker SoC.

I also think it'd be downclocked in this NX form factor, even when docked because of cooling/power draw issues.

Yes, what means that 1 Parker can run at 4 TFlops. PS Neo is a 3.2 TFlops machine.

Maybe Nintendo can make Parker run weaker in the portable to consume less power and at full power when put on the dock for playing on TV.

 

[Memento]

A (possibly) $300+ handheld...

 

[psyfi]

I was describing market realities when questioned how anyone could dare scoff at carrying around the equivalent of cassette tapes, CDs and game carts for their portable devices in 2016. Nothing more, nothing less.

Didn't weigh in on my own personal take either way. I think I even mentioned that carts will be just fine for many gamers.

Yeah totally, I should have read your post more carefully, sorry.

 

[somecrazymember]

Kinda ehat a lot of people expected. I think the success will mainly depend on its price. Zelda will be a huge boost too

 

[Jonneh3003]

Not interested in anything "portable" no matter how much awesomeness more powerful it is compared to a 3DS/Vita, WiiU.

I'm looking for a home console on par with XB1/PS4.

Those are already on the market, shall we embrace something different?

 

[QaaQer]

I mentioned this on an earlier page in this thread. If they could create a good enough seal through vents on the bottom of the handheld, they could draw enough heat out do dissipate 20W with a fairly low RPM fan.

the handheld has vents?

 

[prag16]

Cartridges in 2016 lol

How are we still getting this drive by garbage on page 91. Go check Thraktor's post history for some knowledge bombs on this topic.

 

[ZOONAMI]

Why I think this will succeed with mass-market:
+ Nintendo are combining their console and handheld markets into one. All their games output (minus mobile?) will be on this single platform. No fragmentation.

Why I don't think this will succeed with mass-market:
- Dedicated handheld gaming hardware caps at teenagers or people who play in bed/camping.
- Nintendo are competing with themselves (and against everyone else) by having mobile phone games out there.
- Severely underpowered as a TV-console (PS4K and eventually Scorpio are order-of-magnitude stronger)
- The big 3rd party multiplatform games will not show up.

Why does it appeal to me:
+ Zelda BOTW looks Nintendo's strongest game quality-wise in ten years.
+ Very appealing as a secondary console (and camper/bedside handheld) with all of Nintendo's output to be found on a single piece hardware. No direct overlap with PS4/PC.

Why doesn't it appeal to me:
- I just wanted sharp and clean 1080p graphics for Nintendo IP. It's really hard to go back... really hoping that dock comes with extra hardware.

Conclusion:
If this has all of Nintendo's mobile phone games in addition to having extra GPU-power within docking-station then they have a desirable platform. Otherwise I think there's too many omissions.

Camping? Lol. You guys hang out by the fire I'm gonna go play my 3ds in the tent.

 

[Aters]

Best-case scenario, this thing turns into a more powerful Vita with a TV dock and Nintendo games.

Exactly what I want.

 

[JayBabay]

So it won't be able to play those games but it'll be able to play the new Zelda without a problem?

To be fair, Zelda looks nothing on the level of the three aforementioned titles. The scale is big but we don't know how Nintendo optimized it to access information on and how much it loads at once.

 

[Mihos]

So weaker than a 360 then?
Because a 360 plays those titles.

Not on battery power.

 

[Immaculate]

holy fucking shit

 

[maxcriden]

I wonder if with My Nintendo there will be step incentives simply for walking with the portable. Like a combo of Play Coins and My Nintendo achievements.

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

It is not, it was codeveloped on both platforms.

It's being co-developed now, but I doubt when production started 4 years ago, it was being made for ambiguous next-gen hardware at the same time.

 

[Hakai]

I was rereading the Eurogamer article and then:

A base unit, or dock station, is used to connect the brain of the NX - within the controller - to display on your TV.

They go out of their way to say the brain of the NX is on the portable part, and that is what is connected to the TV, so for now I will not hope for more power coming from the dock.

It's being co-developed now, but I doubt when production started 4 years ago, it was being made for ambiguous next-gem hardware at the same time.

It isn't a port then, if it is co-developed now!

 

[Inuhanyou]

Shield TV uses a fuck ton more watts than the handheld would.

That being said I'll say it again.

Don't go looking for hard numbers yet until we have actual chipset details.

There is virtually a 0% chance the chipset in this will be like the current X1 chips. It'll be a custom design for the system even if it's based on the X1 let alone the X2 which is a total chip redesign.

So I wouldn't go fishing through current anandtech benchies to get any real info on the NX.

i see, thank you very much for the information. And yes, your right it'll be a custom variant if anything and not directly compared to the off the shelf Tegra X1 part.


Can i just say however that i'm so glad Nintendo is not trying to simply do what they other guys are doing?

I've been trying to say this for a long time, they are finally doing a sensible creative innovative thing*(as opposed to half assing it with the Wii U), and utilizing their strengths of both their console and handheld ecosystems to deliver something completely new, probably with a great price and something that will be able to harness their strengths as a first party developer easily in addition to the lower level third party players they already have on 3DS.

 

[TH-Work]

Or you can only play online where there's wifi.

You know, like the 3DS.

That could be true But in my opinion it would be not enough for a handheld that will probably market as a main handheld that plays all Nintendo games on the go and in a time where even smartphone gamers are able to play their games online on the go

 

[Delio]

I'm curious about the size of the handheld part honestly. The mockup kinda looks tablet sized but im assuming it will be around the Vita in size?

 

[RoboPlato]

Definitely an interesting idea and I think it's a good move for Nintendo to get all of their devs focused on a single platform.

 

[BrokenFiction]

I'll bet it comes with a "Pro"-version of Pokemon Go built in. 10 million units first month.

 

[Schnozberry]

the handheld has vents?

I have no idea. I was just postulating that if you wanted to use the dock as a cooling device, having small vents that expose the heatsinks on the bottom of the unit would be an idea way to get it done.

 

[Slick Butter]

Holy jeez I guess I am late to see this thread, almost 50 pages already.

My friend and I were thinking a while back that if it does turn out to be a hybrid portable / home console, that the dock for home console use would have a second GPU in it for SLI / Crossfire. I still hope that's the case.

 

[joecanada]

Nintendo HAS to equip this thing with a decent browser and the ability to run social media and communication apps - Instagram/Snapchat/WhatsApp/etc etc. If they can add some of the features that the average user of smart devices sink their time into, they may have a very appealing device to a larger audience.

That being said, this concept excited me. I will probably never sleep again, playing Breath of the Wild tucked into bed, but these are the sacrifices we make.

that would be very against their family friendly policies considering those apps can be a cesspool.

 

[QaaQer]

I'm curious about the size of the handheld part honestly. The mockup kinda looks tablet sized but im assuming it will be around the Vita in size?

Fourth said 3-5" lcd based on rumors. Thickness? not sure.

 

[psyfi]

Lets just hope the controls are not a bummer/letdown.

Yeah, I'm a little worried about that. If this thing uses anything less than full blown console controller analog sticks, I'm gonna be really disappointed. I don't want no nubs.

 

[Wollan]

They go out of their way to say the brain of the NX is on the portable part, and that is what is connected to the TV, so for now I will not hope for more power coming from the dock.

Maybe they specifically mean the CPU as brain.
GPU is muscle.

What would be the point of having mobile games on it, when it's already going to be a secondary portable device for whoever buys it?

It's nice to have options I guess. It's using ARM hardware that runs Android elsewhere.

 

[djtiesto]

This is exactly what I'd hoped the NX would be, a way to unite both their handheld and console libraries and get all those awesome handheld 3rd party titles (like DQ7 Remake!) playable on the big screen.

Let's hope that the system is cheap, reasonably powerful (not necessarily PS4 level but a step above Wii U) and has a robust Virtual Console tied to an account, not system.

 

[Mithos]

Those are already on the market, shall we embrace something different?

Sure, but not at a pricetag of $250, so far I'm hearing $99

 

[Jonneh3003]

I'll bet it comes with a "Pro"-version of Pokemon Go built in. 10 million units first month.

Imagine if they actually did release something like that with all Pokemon available whereas the mobile version acts as a lite version. I can't see it happening but it would be interesting.

 

[Evilkazzz]

I personally really hope this is true.

I love handhelds (I own multiple DS's a PSP and a Vita).

I'd love to get a Monster Hunter 5 that is finally in HD again, and I can put on the TV. Mainline pokemon games could be played on TV (with a huge power boost since pokemon games have always been handheld focused).

As long as the messaging s right I could see this being a hit. Who honestly expected them to combat the PS4 and Xbone at their own game by just throwing out a powerful console and sell it at a loss and hope they can did into those install bases? This is probably a smarter idea than that, since the DS/3DS line is one of nintendo's most successful lines.

The main problem will be the 3rd party support since if this is to be believed, the NX would be too underpowered to port most current gen multiplat games.

 

[dc89]

cant get the gamegear out of my head im not gonna lie

First thing I thought of too.

 

[Eolz]

Best-case scenario, this thing turns into a more powerful Vita with a TV dock and Nintendo games.

Welll that's already the case according to the article.
People don't have a problem with this point.

 

[JayBabay]

So weaker than a 360 then?
Because a 360 plays those titles.

All of those were playable on the 360 which is 12 year old tech as of next year.

It is capable.
But same way the Wii U was also capable and didn't get them, it will depend on the publishers (or Nintendo throwing some money at them).

You guys don't get the wrong idea. If you know for a fact that small form factor devices have advanced enough right now that the cooling and power usage is efficient enough in tablet form to run those games, then I take back what I said. But I just don't see anything on the market doing it at the moment, and Nintendo is not necessarily a revolutionary hardware maker in terms of power tech.

I would be more than happy to see the NX running Destiny on the go!

 

[Fourth Storm]

I mentioned this on an earlier page in this thread. If they could create a good enough seal through vents on the bottom of the handheld, they could draw enough heat out do dissipate 20W with a fairly low RPM fan.

If the case is plastic, they wont work worth a damn. You need to be able to transmit heat from source to sink.

Hmmm. Yeah, I don't know what to think. As Schnoz said, they'd definitely need a copious number of vents on the underside. Even that may not work well enough.

 

[Philippo]

How much would a 32-64GB dedicated cartrige would cost?

 

[sh4mike]

Wii U quality graphics and games would be good enough for me.

 

[Hakai]

Maybe they specifically mean the CPU as brain.
GPU is muscle.

Too optimistic for me dude. Hope you guys are right though, but keeping my expectations down.

 

[psyfi]

Sure, but not at a pricetag of $250, so far I'm hearing $99

Wait what?

 

[Mihos]

I have no idea. I was just postulating that if you wanted to use the dock as a cooling device, having small vents that expose the heatsinks on the bottom of the unit would be an idea way to get it done.

Shield portable has vents... and a fan. So it's not out of the question

 

[Delio]

Fourth said 3-5" lcd based on rumors. Thickness? not sure.

Ah that's not bad. I assume it will be thick enough where you can still carry it around but considering the snap on controls it will have to be a certain thickness.

Either way im excited. I play a lot of handheld games as it is and already have a strong computer for anything else so this is just fine. Im pretty excited for Gen 8 of Pokemon with this news honestly lol

 

[Neoxon]

I'll bet it comes with a "Pro"-version of Pokemon Go built in. 10 million units first month.

The Pokémon GO hype probably would have died down by the time the NX comes out, so I wouldn't be too sure of that.

 

[Vertti]

Tegra X1 is 0.5 tflops right?

Realistic guess is that X2 is about 1.5x more powerful so that would be almost 0.8 tflops.

The original PS4's gpu is about 1.5 tflops and most of the games run on 1080p.

540p would be 4x less pixels so about 0.4 tflops should be suffice. That means X2 underclocked to 500 Mhz would be enough.

Can not say if that's realistic or not but Vitas GPU is clocked to 400 Mhz.

And if Tegra could be overclocked to 1.2 MHz for the home console that would be near Xbox1 levels.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Peterc]

- Nintendo said this would be a home console
- Many rumors says you can easy port ps4 games
- Nintendo said it would be a new experience, some new way of playing games.
- Many 3rd party's are happy with that, they believe it's special and could pull a wii stunt with it.
- There isn't any gimmick.

this list speak against this rumor



The only reason this could be true, if the base station can run on more power and have some unique device with it that make it's fresh.