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RTTP: Alan Moore's (Mostly) Movie Adaptations

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CazTGG

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Alright, first time making a thread.

With the upcoming adaptation of "The Killing Joke" hitting theaters for one bad day and a direct-to-DVD (and a partial inspiration by Birdie's currently ongoing look at all 721 Pokémon), I thought i'd take a look at the various adaptations of Alan Moore's work up to the soon-to-be released film. This won't necessarily be a "what they got right/wrong/omitted", though that certainly will come up with each of these. This is about how these many movies (and the few that aren't movies) hold up as their own work and a brief introduction of the original work they're based on. With that said, let's begin with the very first Moore movie:
From Hell (Comic: 1989. Movie: 2001)
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The first adaptation, From Hell is based on the comic of the same name, a black and white graphic novel that tells the story of a series of murders and Jack the Ripper, hence the title being based on a letter that was supposedly written by Jack himself. While there is a mystery to be solved about who's killing these people and why, the primary focus of the story is a deconstruction of the Victorian era, in that it wasn't as classy and enlightened as it's often made out to be. It's an interesting twist that's rather accurate when you consider a lot of what was going on during this period in time: Ireland had suffered a massive famine, India went through a violent rebellion due to the unfair treatment by the Honorable East Indian Company (along with a mix of racism and other contributing factors), women could only divorce their husbands under special circumstances, China was forced to negotiate some very unfair treaties during the Opium Wars, heck, the fact that the HEIC even resorted to selling opium that played a part in the first of these two wars only goes to show that it wasn't as enlightened a time as one might associate with Queen Victoria and her long reign. Eddie Campbell's penciling works wonders in depicting the gruesome nature of a setting that's all too often seen as a time of sophistication and aristocracy. It's considered one of Moore's better works, albeit not quite given the same reverence as Watchmen, The Killing Joke or his MiracleMan run.

Jump to 2001, where 20th Century Fox decided to make this dark exploration of the Victorian era and one of the most infamous serial killers of all time into an R-rated film...that has barely anything to do with the comics. To its credit, the film certainly has atmosphere, but it fails to captures the grimy depiction of London beyond aesthetics, only making London look ugly as a narrative shorthand for "this takes place in the poorer area of the city". The images, finely shot as they may be for a pre-Raimi's Spider-Man modern comic book film, don't have the same connection to the film's themes like they did in the comic nor does the film capitalize on them when it's aiming for horror. It's an exceptionally dull movie when it's not being annoying by way of loud noises or its obnoxious editing whose mystery lacks any sort of intrigue, not helped by the largely forgettable acting for the characters solving said mystery in spite of a talented cast. Johnny Depp plays Abberline like he's half asleep, mumbling through every line without a hint of interest in what's going on. One might chock this up to the character's opium usage but Depp doesn't sell that his character is anything but hooked on boredom. He briefly comes to life near the end when he's trying to escape captivity and save Mary after discovering who the serial killer is but by then, the film has spent over an hour and a half wasting one of the most energetic actors at the time on his least disinterested performance. Funny enough, Alan Moore once described Depp's portrayal of this character as "an absinthe-swilling, opium-den-frequenting dandy with a haircut that, in the Metropolitan Police force in 1888, would have gotten him beaten up by the other officers". Moore's displeasure with Hollywood taking his work and changing it, often for the worse, is something that will come up with later adaptations, needless to say he isn't happy with how many of them turned out, to the point where he would request his name not be used in the credits of the majority of future films and other features based on his work.
 

obin_gam

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I like the movie. It's got atmosphere and good acting.

But I would have loved an actual adaption of the comic - where there isn't a twist on who Jack is, but where we actually get to follow him right from the start.

I'm guessing the tv-series The Fall was a bit inspired by that presentation.
 

godhandiscen

There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
Watchmen is the god of movie adaptations. The ending of the movie is arguably more fitting (in context) than Moore's ending. I love the graphic novel, and I honestly don't understand the criticism. Snyder nailed that movie.
 

Fevaweva

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Watchmen is the god of movie adaptations. The ending of the movie is arguably more fitting (in context) than Moore's ending. I love the graphic novel, and I honestly don't understand the criticism. Snyder nailed that movie.
My one single complaint about that film is the casting. The dude who plays Adrian Veidt is good actor, but his face basically spoils the twist. They should have got someone more generically good looking.
 

CazTGG

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I can see both sides of the Watchmen ending argument, but i'll save my thoughts on that for when we get to that film. We've still got three, sort of four-ish more entries before we get to that film.
 

CazTGG

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(Sorry for this being so late, I was planning on having 1 entry per day to line up with The Killing Joke's theatrical release on Monday. Anyway, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen)

The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (Comic: 1999. Movie: 2003)

I'll be honest: I wasn't sure whether I should even mention the comic this is based on because that would entertain the possibility that anyone involved in the film had ever read them, much less even put enough effort into looking them up on Wikipedia. Like From Hell, 1999's League of Extraordinary Gentlemen dons a Victorian setting, but aims for more traditional superhero affair. Think the Silver Age silliness of the Justice League married with Moore's more gritty deconstructionist writing style. Honestly, there's not much to say about it other than there's a reason why it tends to place so highly among Alan Moore's massive repertoire. That and despite the title, there is a woman in the league, but that's just being pedantic.

A few years after the comic, we have the film League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, also known as LXG, aiming to replicate the success Fox had with the first X-Men film prior to League and X2 would see the very same year that League hit theaters. Suffice it to say that it failed to do so, seeing a critical smashing at the time of its release and opening up in second on its first week at the box office, though it did eventually make a small amount of money due to the strength of the international box office. Can you tell I don't want to talk about the actual contents of the movie? Well, that's mostly because of all the films (and the one that isn't a film) of this little looking, LXG is the one I was dreading rewatching the most, a fear that never whose uneasy feeling failed to disappear through a second viewing. Putting aside its lack of resemblance to the source material beyond aesthetics to the same comic where Charlie Chaplin caused World War II, it is a slog to sit through, a sluggishly-paced and silly-when-it's trying-to-be-serious toned film that's full of dreadful dialogue from beginning to end. It's bad, but not a particularly interesting bad like The Room or Plan 9 From Outer Space where there's a certain enjoyment and thoughtful examination that goes into examining every bad decision in those films, LXG is just a below average affair that happened to take a colorful cast of characters and toss them into a dreary drag of a film. It does have a couple of decently creative action scenes thrown in that feel like someone on set is awake and trying to inject some life into, but their efforts are thwarted by some truly dismal directing.

Fun fact: This was Sean Connery's last role in film before retiring from acting which, much like Paul Newman in Cars, is a sad note to end their respective film careers on, though Newman at least gave a fairly strong performance in that film. Connery and most of the cast in LXG give varying degrees of terrible performances, often looking completely lost on set. On top of that, the special effects have aged ever so poorly while being abysmal even by the standards of 2003, coming nowhere near the likes of releases that same year such as Return of the King, thought the film's overall lack of quality isn't exactly a surprise. Its disastrous production, ranging from Sean Connery and Stephen Norrington constantly fighting on set, to several delays and a lawsuit claiming the comic's name was being used as a smokescreen for a film that Martin Poll and Larry Cohen proposed to Fox around a decade before the film was ever released that culminated in Alan Moore giving 10 hours worth of testimony that saw the case settled out of court, has been well-documented so if you're interested in reading up on the events that lead to Connery and Norrington retired from acting and directing respectively, there's plenty of sources for that. The most interesting, yet unfortunate, part to come out of all of this would be the settlement. To Moore, this was essentially Fox saying that he was guilty of plagiarism, which upset him so much that he refused to have his name credited on any future movies based off of his work (Note: The next adaptation gives him credit for being the source for its story but it's a bit of a special case) and refuses to let any of the works for which he owns the rights to be turned into movies while giving his royalties to the artists who worked on the original comics for the ones he no longer owns like Watchmen. This would lead to its share of controversy down the line with certain adaptations, most notably with an infamous statement by the producer of the V for Vendetta film before its release, but we'll talk about that when we get to said film.

For whatever reason, Fox has tried to turn LXG into a massive franchise. There were plans for a sequel, with all but one of the actors being signed for a three-part picture deal, but nothing ever came out of this. In 2013, they attempted to turn the series into a TV show but the project didn't get far off the ground. Most recently, news came out that Fox is working on bringing this series back with a reboot, though only time will tell if this or any other projects based on this novel will ever come to fruition. Judging by how they've handled the most recent X-Men film and the League's first film outing, this reboot doesn't have much goodwill working for it, assuming it ever gets made.
 

obin_gam

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Like they ever were going to do it justice. Not even HBO would make The Invisible Man
being anally raped to death by
Mr Hyde.
 

CazTGG

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For The Man Who Has Everything/Superman Annual #11 (Comic: 1985. Episode Airing: 2004 (Justice League), 2016 (Supergirl))


In case you were wondering why this thread's title involved the word "mostly" when talking about Moore's various works being adapted to film, this is why. This particular adaptation is an episode of Bruce Timm & Paul Dini's Justice League TV series (and also the Supergirl TV series...kind of), this being one of the first episodes from the third season where they rebranded the show as "Justice League Unlimited" due to the expanding roster of the Justice League after the events of the second season's finale, "Starcrossed". Not counting the direct-to-DVD release of Tales of the Black Freighter, until The Killing Joke, this was the only adaptation of Alan Moore's work to be put to animation. But before we go any further, let's talk about the comic.


For The Man Who Has Everything sees Batman, Wonder Woman and then-not-dead Jason Todd as Robin visiting the Fortress of Solitude to celebrate Superman's birthday only to find him in a dream-like state due to a strange plant called the Black Mercy. It's soon revealed that it was brought to Earth by Mongul as a part of his plans to conquer the planet, who used the plant to remove the only person capable of stopping him from the picture, the plant itself causing its host to believe that their wildest dreams are real. So it's up to the three of them to stop Mongul, with Wonder Woman barely holding him off while Batman & Robin try to figure out how to remove the Black Mercy so Superman can save the day. Also, Mongul making a lot of sexist remarks to Wonder Woman.


Of all of the various works by Moore that i've read, this is my personal favorite, namely because it's a story that gets the character of Superman: A powerful, but not omnipotent being who will do the right thing, no matter how much it hurts him. Superman is an exceptionally difficult character to write properly (see Steel, Man of/Batman V Superman as a recent example of how easy it is to screw that up), so it's all the more impressive that Moore's portrayal in this and "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" both managed to present a familiar, yet fascinating take on the character. In For The Man Who Has Everything, Superman's greatest desire is revealed to be something uneventful, almost boring in how simple it is: Raise a family, live a normal life on Krypton and have nothing to do with the heroic acts he's performed for the past decades. Instead of Kryptonite, the comic has Superman's weakness be his heart, in that he had to leave his wife and son and the happiness he found with them, to save his real friends from an absolute monster. Regardless of whether or not they were real, it's made very clear when he's free from the Black Mercy that Superman's feelings for them are real due to the amount of pain it caused him to leave this new family behind. It's an altogether human and tragic tale where Superman has to give up his happiness in order to do what's necessary for the good of humanity that delivers a truly heart-wrenching blow to the reader, one as equally painful as the one laid that strikes the man of tomorrow. This is also the comic that gave us the infamous "clean thoughts Batman" panel, so it has another thing going for it.


Compared to the past two movies, the Unlimited episode follows most of the same beats and even quotes direct lines from the original comic, even featuring Superman telling Mongul to burn. There's a reason it's one of the most fondly remembered episode in all of Justice League and a high point of Unlimited's run, in large part due to the potent combination of the original source material coupled with George Newbern giving a spectacular performance as Superman that, if not his best performance for a single episode, is easily in the top 3. You really feel the heartbreak in his voice when he tells his son that he doesn't think he's real and has to go back to the real world. It's a testament both to how faithful Bruce Timm and crew were to the characters when they crafted the DCAU and how well the story they based this particular episode on still holds up to this day.


There are minor changes like Diana giving Clark a new breed rose called Krypton instead of a replica of the city of Kandor and Batman giving him money instead of the aforementioned rose like he did in the original that don't really affect the overall story while others were likely made for time constraints. There weren't many two-parters during the third through fifth seasons that make up Unlimited in comparison to the first two seasons that comprise the original Justice League run, as Unlimited preferred telling season-long arcs like Cadmus and Luthor's attempt to become president in the third and fourth season and the formation of the Secret Society of Super Villains in the fifth. Mongul had already been established in the wretched season one episode "War World", so his introduction in the episode having slightly different dialogue to acknowledge that Wondie and Bats had already met him makes sense within the animated universe.

The only notable omission is Jason Todd, as Jason was the one who stopped Mongul by tossing the Black Mercy at him after having removed it from Batman. However, seeing as how Todd had never appeared in Batman's animated series nor Justice League up to this point, it's not exactly that big a surprise nor does giving their role to Wonder Woman for some comeuppance after Mongul's massive beating and aforementioned sexism take away from the overall strong mood of the story. It's no surprise why there was a rumor floating around that this was the only adaptation that Alan Moore liked (he just gave Bruce Timm and team his approval to adapt it) after his disappointment with the two previous attempts: It's accentuates the story's very best qualities, the tragedy of abandoning a truly human desire that would be so easy to a place to find oneself content with and doing what's right in spite of how much it would hurt to do so.


The Supergirl TV show kind of had a take on this story in "For The Girl Who Has Everything" but it goes off in a completely different direction, to the point where it feels less like an adaptation and more an original story that played up the horror elements of the plant that the original only lightly touched upon, like having Kara forget the memory of her friends. While it's not a bad episode in of itself, it doesn't capture the same visceral emotion like the original or Justice League. Needless to say that Unlimited has the better take of the two, sticking closer to the source material and being all the better for it.
 

CazTGG

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We're not at The Killing Joke just yet, but I do want to give some brief thoughts on the film after seeing it less than an hour ago at a local theatre:

-I know this has been beaten into the ground, but the animation is just horrible. Low in detail and frames, it's a remarkable step down from previous DC animated features, which is saying something considering most of the recent animated DC films have been average in terms of quality animation. Some scenes have good lighting but that's about all the praise that can be given its way.
-They somehow managed to treat Barbara's character even worse than the original did through even further objectification, including a scene where she's jogging that focuses on her ass and breasts from behind.
-On that note, the opening prologue has no real purpose to the overall story and might as well have been cut from the film due to the damage it does with the aforementioned additions done to humanize Barbara. It's nice that they attempted to make Barbara more than a problematic plot device but it does it in such a lazy and half-hearted manner that it only highlights how badly the film and comic treat her.
-The controversial sex scene is just as bad as it sounds, namely because of the framing and the fallout. I won't spoil it for those that haven't seen it but it's yet another reason why the prologue to the main story actively damages rather than aids it.
-This is going to sound unusual given who it involves, but Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill were not the best choices to voice Batman & the Joker respectively, namely since the portrayal of the characters they're voicing are very distant from what one normally expects from the two of them, which is distracting at best. They do fine with the material they're given, as does Tara Strong as Batgirl/Barbara, but it can't help but feel like there was a better choice instead of going for the most iconic choice possible, if that makes any sense.

I'll go into more detail when we get to The Killing Joke, most likely after a second viewing, needless to say it leaves a pretty poor first impression. If it weren't for the voice acting and a few funny lines, this would be the worst DC animated film i've seen in a while. As is, it's just the second worst Batman film i've seen all year.
 
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