Pretty much any Ace Attorney trailer was guilty of this:
Dual Destinies
Great Ace Attorney
Spirit of Justice
Even the FMV cutscenes are higher resolution!
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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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Pretty much any Ace Attorney trailer was guilty of this:
Dual Destinies
Great Ace Attorney
Spirit of Justice
Even the FMV cutscenes are higher resolution!
Apoleptica
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If it's going to be a portable I guess I'll wait for the New NX XL lite SP. Shame about no BC, that would have made it a day one purchase as I've skipped on both the 3ds and the wii u hoping for BC in their next system.
My wife will be disappointed. Mobile space for her is ipad and iPhone. She loves her Nintendo consoles, tho, and was really hoping for a big upgrade come March. Now I feel bad for getting her hopes up. So NX is a powerful handheld (which she has no interest in) but it can be also connected to the TV and offer not much more in the way of visuals than her Wii U? Like is the portability thing it's big "wow we have to keep this a secret for as long as possible" super-feature? Is that what was sooooooooo amazing that Nintendo couldn't reveal at e3 out of fear other people would steal their idea?
It's a tough sell for us I think. Maybe Eurogamer doesn't have the full story or something. Maybe there is a powerful console that this thing docks with, that's still top secret. It seems to me they can't launch a flagship console weaker than the PS4 or XB1, but claim it doesn't matter because it's portable.
I think the best path forward for Nintendo is to go into mobile by putting games on android/ios, then launch a beastly new console. The 5 or so billion owners of mobile phone could then spend all their money on Nintendo mobile games, and all the fans dying for a premium console gaming experiences from their favourite Nintendo titles would buy their super sleek, super powerful next-gen console. A console that was designed with x86 architecture for maximum scalability and appeal to developers who balked at Wii U (read: everyone). I don't know, I'm just failing to see the positives here I guess.
It's a tough sell for us I think. Maybe Eurogamer doesn't have the full story or something. Maybe there is a powerful console that this thing docks with, that's still top secret. It seems to me they can't launch a flagship console weaker than the PS4 or XB1, but claim it doesn't matter because it's portable.
I think the best path forward for Nintendo is to go into mobile by putting games on android/ios, then launch a beastly new console. The 5 or so billion owners of mobile phone could then spend all their money on Nintendo mobile games, and all the fans dying for a premium console gaming experiences from their favourite Nintendo titles would buy their super sleek, super powerful next-gen console. A console that was designed with x86 architecture for maximum scalability and appeal to developers who balked at Wii U (read: everyone). I don't know, I'm just failing to see the positives here I guess.
Proelite
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If the end machine has anywhere around half a teraflop to play with in mobile mode. It'll outclass every phone and tablet when it's released. Unprecedented level of spanking the others in perf.
Imagine XB1 / PS4 having Titan X gpu in 2013.
All the 5 or 10 million max Nintendo fans who are interested in such a console?
Do you think that would be enough users to justify the hundreds of millions in R&D for the console, the increased development cost of Nintendo titles to sell to a 5 to 10 million userbase?
They'll never out do Neo / Scorpio power wise anyways, so console power master race (few as they are) will not be migrating over in any significant number.
Imagine XB1 / PS4 having Titan X gpu in 2013.
All the 5 or 10 million max Nintendo fans who are interested in such a console?
Do you think that would be enough users to justify the hundreds of millions in R&D for the console, the increased development cost of Nintendo titles to sell to a 5 to 10 million userbase?
They'll never out do Neo / Scorpio power wise anyways, so console power master race (few as they are) will not be migrating over in any significant number.
metalslimer
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I can't believe they are that cheap.
Squall5042
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What's the resolution of the Vita? That screen is as sharp as I need
My receipt from launch day says $34.99 which is still a discount. There is no way Zelda will be less than $59.99 unless it isn't the same exact game as the Wii U version. Maybe they will bump up the 34.99 and 39.99 price points up by ten bucks.
Most people in this thread have been saying that the device being mentioned here would be a lot more powerful than the Wii U.
540p in 2017. Never change, Nintendo.
Portugeezer
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Wii U gamepad has a 6" 480p screen.
If NX screen is smaller than 6" then 540p is definitely a possibility.
540p is good up to 5" (PS Vita), then things get ugly.
960x540 @ 5"= 220.29 PPI
960x540 @ 6"= 183.58 PPI
960x540 @ 7"= 157.35 PPI
Original 3DS: 400x240 @ 3.5"= 133.28 PPI
I'm not convinced they'll be able to fit a full Tegra X1 (or X2 or whatever the Pascal version will be called) in a 5" device, so you better hope that the res is 720p.
More powerful than Wii U yet outputs at a lower resolution. I doubt this thing's going to re-render everything at higher resolutions. This thing feels like a middle finger to a lot of people, Smash Bros. fans, most importantly.
brandonh83
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They had me at cartridges.
Aztechnology
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960x544. Wasn't nearly enough for me.
Because there's somehow a difference between a memory card type game (Vita or 3DS) and a cartridge beyond nostalgia. If anything it just takes up unnecessary room.
Hot Coldman
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Yeah like... Sonic 2017 being an NX game means this thing is at LEAST in the same realm as Xbone power. Which is substantially better than Wii U.
Eurogamer says they're not chasing parity but that's probably more a case of developmental attitude rather than an indictment of the machine's power.
Oh yeah, didn't Gamestop add $5 for no reason at all? I thought I remembered that being a small outrage when the game came out.
Still, variable pricing is going to be a thing. I don't see any way they'd price the NX version of Zelda less than the Wii U version, but not every game is Zelda.
Grinchy
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Yeah, I hate when brand new technology is better than old ass technology.
Papacheeks
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By far the most sensible post in this entire thread period.
The thing I really like about this idea is that without Nintendo's output being fractured, it'll be much more affordable for me to enjoy their games.
The Wii U and 3DS were both pieces of hardware that I wanted but couldn't justify the cost of since Nintendo's games never dropped in price and the releases were few and far between on both. Now I can purchase just one device and have access to everything.
The Wii U and 3DS were both pieces of hardware that I wanted but couldn't justify the cost of since Nintendo's games never dropped in price and the releases were few and far between on both. Now I can purchase just one device and have access to everything.
If the screen isn't too big I'm perfectly fine with this, the Vita games that actually ran at that resolution looked amazing.
Hasn't stopped Apple from selling 750p phones in 2016.
So the docking station is just a charger and HDMI out?
If the NX unit could be played remotely on the TV it would have it's own charger so you could play and charge on the couch, just as with the WiiU.
Then why call it a 'docking station', when it would just be an HDMI receiver.
Eurogamer have definitely gotten themselves mixed up with some of the details.
El-Pistolero
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I like the idea. It makes the most sense given Nintendo legacy and strength in the handhelds business.
Huh interesting. Thanks!
Won't get my hopes up then.
On the other hand this just reminded me about one thing I want from NX: region-free. Don't you dare locking the thing down again, Nintendo...
I don't think the Vita made a good case at all with how many games wound up being sub-native. The ones that hit native res and also had AA looked impeccable, like Virtue's Last Reward and Toukiden, but stuff like Uncharted and Gravity Rush looked really, really rough in motion.
DrROBschiz
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So are we expecting zero new news and leaks until September?
Lionel Richie
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TheMagician
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I wonder if you will be able to buy the handheld without the dock...
yep. makes the most sense as well seeing as it's a handheld that also connects to a TV, most of which are 1080p.
720p would be nice but honestly I'd rather have better graphics and battery life at 540p
outunderthestars
Banned
So much this.
I am absurdly excited to learn more about this system. As so!eone who disliked the 3DS and wii U I can't wait for their new platform!
Ah yes. A hot, blowing piece of plastic with a relatively tiny display and a battery life of 30 minutes really trumps a conventional PC.
I mean, i'm happy you're happy, and for some people it's a really great solution. Not everyone has space for a gaming PC. But don't come in here acting like it's a gaming experience unlike any other. I've been there with gaming laptops, it works, but damn if it isn't inferior to even a mid-range PC.
AndrewDean84xX
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I hope so.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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If the dock's not a "smart" dock, there'd be no point, as it'd be cheap enough to include, much like how the Wii U has the cradle
Shpeshal Nick
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Dude. I'm saying it could be both.
Playing a dual screen game? Stream to the dock. Playing a single screen game? Plug it in and grab a controller. Playing a game that provides the option for both? You choose which way to go.
Except it's going to be too expensive for a handheld and too weak for a console. You're minimalizing what you get at the lower end of the spectrum because of costs and the same at the higher end of the spectrum because of specs.
It's the worst of both worlds.
Nothing to do with being cheap, I mean that is a benefit sure but it's all about balancing it performance wise. Dudes in here talking about their 4k phones, like you're going to game on that thing on the go and have a decent frame-rate and battery life. An NX Pro down the line is possible not unlike iPad and its many variants, as we can see by Scorpio and Neo, iterative consoles are all the rage.
This can be a beast of a handheld. I don't see how anybody knowing Nintendo and who doesn't live in the fantasy world (like Polaris brotherhood) can be disappointed by this.
Nintendo would have never went for a powerful console as their main pillar, even more so after their latest comments about being quite price sensitive and not selling NX at loss. So a beast of a handheld is really the best we could get in terms of powerful hardware.
Everybody is free to believe or not this and to discuss or not about this. You're free to wait until the official reveal if you want, but you can really tell people to not discuss about it.
Nintendo would have never went for a powerful console as their main pillar, even more so after their latest comments about being quite price sensitive and not selling NX at loss. So a beast of a handheld is really the best we could get in terms of powerful hardware.
Everybody is free to believe or not this and to discuss or not about this. You're free to wait until the official reveal if you want, but you can really tell people to not discuss about it.
brandonh83
Banned
Nostalgia rocks
goldenpp72
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The benefit of cartridges would be less moving parts to break, faster load times, and no shitty installations that plague the Xbox and PS brands right now, so yeah there is quite a bit of room to be excited about that, fuck waiting 30+ minutes for your game to work. Wii U didn't suffer from this thankfully, but a SD card like format would likely make load times rather small.
outunderthestars
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This could be really cool if it works.
Hopefully I'm just missing something .If it's Tegra 1, I'm guessing that's Nvidia Shield tablet level performance? Is it the same guts? I don't know if anyone has the teraflops handy on that. But I think that's 2014 tech, so I just feel like we're not getting the full story yet.
EDIT: My bad, it's Tegra X1 not Tegra K1. That is indeed much better
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9289/the-nvidia-shield-android-tv-review/2
The problem for Nintendo is that the world has moved on.
1080p Smartphones are becoming the norm in the budget range, it'll be a hard sell if people start saying their mobile phone is better than the NX.
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