The Last One
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It's not a Nintendo thread ultil someone who clearly will buy the console says that will leave the company behind instead.
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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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It's not a Nintendo thread ultil someone who clearly will buy the console says that will leave the company behind instead.
Nintendo typically has good build quality for their products so I am fairly sure that it won't break that easily. Looking like shit is more of a toss up.
spazchicken
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Lack of third party support killed them on every console since the N64 and this isn't going to make it better.
Publishers and developers want to port their AAA games across all platforms in order to maximize their efforts, time and money, not make exclusives or special versions for Nintendo every time they make a game.
outunderthestars
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They didn't say "super loud." It's possible that the fan is just cheap and crappy.
Why would it?
capylikesgames
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I think it'd be neat if they had some form of cooling system that only activates when in the dock (maybe it can even be in the dock to save space?). Then it could clock down in speed when on the go for the sake of battery. I'm not sure how hard it would be to get that going, but I'd personally prefer it.
The market contraction between the PSP and DS (236 million units sold) to the Vita and 3DS (less than 70 million units shipped) is more than 166 million units. So yes, going back. If they don't go back this thing is in for a very rough ride.
FarEastOfTengai
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I refuse to believe it will happen. I really want that to be a part of the reveal of NX, but I don't think Capcom knows what a next gen version of MH looks like and is actively avoiding it. They will just upscale the engine like they did for the WiiU version knowing my luck.
Chubzdoomer
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This system has bad news written all over it. Will the portability really matter, when it obviously won't be small enough to fit into your pocket and the 3DS/Vita/phones/tablets already occupy that crowded space? And will it really have any place in the home console market with its underpowered hardware, considering the XB1 and PS4 are already kings of that realm and are about to ascend to a whole new level with the Scorpio and Neo?
I'm sorry, but I'm struggling to figure out who exactly this console is targeting. Mobile gamers have more practical options, as do home console gamers. Sure, you're getting some inevitably great first-party games like Zelda, Mario, and Pikmin, but you're also looking at a repeat of the Wii U in which the underpowered hardware is left in the dust by third-party developers who prefer to cater to the biggest, baddest systems attracting the largest audience.
I'm sorry, but I'm struggling to figure out who exactly this console is targeting. Mobile gamers have more practical options, as do home console gamers. Sure, you're getting some inevitably great first-party games like Zelda, Mario, and Pikmin, but you're also looking at a repeat of the Wii U in which the underpowered hardware is left in the dust by third-party developers who prefer to cater to the biggest, baddest systems attracting the largest audience.
Then you gotta look to the handheld devs. You're going to get Monster Hunter, Atlus games (except Persona) and much more from them and it will be playable on the big screen. All those RPGs now on the big screen again.
It's an over powered handheld that's more capable as a system and getting Sonic 2017 and Zelda: Breath of the Wild. Getting Sonic 2017 means it must be within parity of the other systems or why else bring it to the NX like Generations never made it to Wii.
I don't see the point in having modular controller add-ons unless it's fairly large. If it's small they might as well just build them in.
Pokemaniac
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That was definitely a thing that was supposed to happen at one point. Tegra-based 3DS prototypes have been found in the wild.
But what if it's wide enough for the common tablet and phone? It comes with many removable ports and plugins. also, option to stand up. who needs flat all of the time?
see how this turns a mobile into a laptop without the dangling?
netgrimoire
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Has screen size been discussed at all? 5.5 iPhone 6 Plus screen would be nice. Anything bigger than that would be uncomfortable.
Great post, I was thinking a lot of the same but didn't want to put the effort into writing it all out, haha. I totally agree, this gimmick could be really alluring and awesome. I love irl multiplayer, and Nintendo are the very best at it.
Chubzdoomer
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Isn't that exactly what the Wii U Gamepad is, though--a screen with built-in controls on each side?
I'm guessing it's similar to the Wii U gamepad but less bulky, and this is the high-end / XL version of the portables. Maybe calling it tablet form factor is appropriate, while they'll release a pocket sized handheld revision later on.
Bluetooth? I'd imagine it will at least be compatible with the pro controller if not Wii remotes as well. The fact that Just Dance is coming seems to hint that Wii remotes or similar will be needed.
I think anything over 5" is getting into too large territory when you factor in the controls. Plus 540p is likely the sweet spot in terms of resolution vs performance/battery life and a 5" fits that very well with a decent 220ppi. Which is exactly what the Vita is.
Large is possible, but unwieldy and not exactly a portable. Plus it makes things more and more expensive, which this system being what it is already sounds expensive and cutting edge.
TLZ
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And how will that 540p look on a tv then?
Sho_Nuff82
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I don't think next gen Sonic is a good benchmark for AAA port feasibility in 2017 and beyond, at least not in the same league as something like Doom, Assassin's Creed, Battlefield, or Mass Effect. Games clearly designed for hardware beyond the 360.
netgrimoire
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not saying it's a saving grace, but i'm guessing the emphasis this time is going to be on social gaming. i.e., taking your NX to a friend's house to play Smash with friends, playing with friends at a Starbucks or whatever. it's really not going after the "mobile market" as much as it is mobility itself, which hasn't really been possible with a console experience before.
i'm willing to bet the reveal in september is going to have emphasis on "playing together" over anything else, like graphics, killer apps, ect
WhiteRabbitEXE
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I feel like it's trying to target everything at once, in a strategy that will fail attract anyone but the hardcore Nintendo fans, once again. Being a handheld will give it a boost over the Wii U, but if this really is what it is, I wouldn't be surprised if it came well short of the 3DS.
Fantastical
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If Nintendo expects us to play sub 720p games I will be very sad. Even 720p is bad.
johnnydrama
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If this is true, I'll be there day one. Don't need another console to put under my TV.
I see you're of a generation that only used flat panels mostly. Get a real display and play something old they aren't horrible. Hell half the time you see an arcade cabinet those games aren't even 720p, do you complain about pixels then?
Devilgunman
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I have a hard time imagining Nintendo handheld to look like that.
Play a Playstation Vita game using a PSTV to get an idea of what 540p looks like on a television. It looks okay depending on the game and whether the developer is running the game at native resolution. Do not expect some sort of 540p -> 720p or 1080p wizardry out of simple scaling.
TLZ
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That's not mentioned anywhere and reading ign they mentioned the dock is just a tv out station, so no extra juice.
You wouldn't care but this console is being sold as a home console as well, so that 540p speculation and docking station just a tv out don't match.
Edit: http://m.au.ign.com/articles/2016/0...d-console-with-tv-dock-less-powerful-than-ps4
I've been rather categorical and unwavering in my statements that anything less than parity with the rest of the home console market would turn me away after the Wii U. Anyone who frequents NX threads will tell you the same thing.
I demanded something that actually resembled a home console with parity to PS4 the barest minimum requirement before Nintendo would receive my money. This... THING that's rumoured to be released does not meet that standard.
If this is just the handheld and they've given players an option to play games on their TV and there is a home console still coming, then I take no issue with this. But if this is all they are going to offer, I don't want it. I haven't bought a handheld since the DS, which I gave away shortly after its release. I have no desire for the form factor, I have no desire for the limitations that form factor imposes.
This isn't worth my consideration and until I hear something contradictory to this rumour, I won't be in an NX thread til the unveiling to hear the final word from the horse's mouth, as I wouldn't see much point to talking about something that's being discussed as something I have no desire to own.
Call me when they release something that isn't designed as a handheld and jury-rigged into being a console.
Don't be obtuse.
Oh cool, someone else fully understands why this is terrible.
If he's the generation that's only used flat panels, the likelihood that he's even seen an arcade or that one exists near him is almost nil.
Schnozberry
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On a 5" screen 720p is perfectly fine. Pixel density would be better than the Vita and the underlying hardware would be a huge leap forward.
Manmademan
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Jesus what a disaster. This thing is dead in the water.
Right now, not counting NX yet, Nvidia is 2 for 4 on video game console / handheld design wins.
Sega Saturn successor -Nvidia NV-2 The NV-2 chip never even worked properly, yet Nvidia was kept from going under thanks to Sega's funding during 1995-1996.
Microsoft XBOX - GeForce / NV20 based NV2A (and MCPX)
Sony PlayStation 3 - RSX
Nintendo 3DS -Tegra 2
Nintendo NX would bring Nvidia upto 3 for 5.
Sega Saturn successor -
Microsoft XBOX - GeForce / NV20 based NV2A (and MCPX)
Sony PlayStation 3 - RSX
Nintendo 3DS -
Nintendo NX would bring Nvidia upto 3 for 5.
Fantastical
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I'm speaking for home console functionality which is how I'll be using this thing probably 90% of the time.
I don't really know what you're talking about with "real display", but if it looks shitty on my 4K Vizio TV I just bought there really aren't a lot of excuses.
Dark Cloud
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I still haven't seen one good piece of artwork of what this could look like. Everything that's been shown looks really bad in design and ugly
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I'm usually very critical of nintendo but the only negative things I can see here is that they don't want to run into another situation where it's hard to understand the system. It should be something anyone can pick up and know how to use but controls on the front and the back and detaching shit and docks and whatnot....all down to execution/presentation I guess.
Also price point. I'm glad we're getting all the nintendo games on one console and I don't care if the power is XB1 level at best, that's pretty cool for a handheld. But the price needs to reflect this. I think 299 is the absolute ceiling and that will be pushing it for a lot of people.
Also price point. I'm glad we're getting all the nintendo games on one console and I don't care if the power is XB1 level at best, that's pretty cool for a handheld. But the price needs to reflect this. I think 299 is the absolute ceiling and that will be pushing it for a lot of people.
Docking station doesn't matter, this doesn't require any additional hardware. It's all about power consumption. A handheld battery won't last if you run an X1 at full power, so they'll likely run the cpu/gpu at a lower clock speed to reduce power consumption. This can be reduced further if they only have to output at 540p. When placed in the dock with a dedicated power supply they don't have to worry about draining a battery and can run the chip at full speed, enough to display games at 1080p. All you need is two profiles for the games, one for handheld mode for output at 540p, one for console mode at an output of 1080p.
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