Also Dobbs' father and cousin kept telling police there was no hostage situation, and yet they still thought they needed to be Rambo. Are American police so bored that anytime they have the barest of evidence of situation that requires an armed response, they get hard ons and can't be reasoned with?
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British man charged after US gamer is shot by Swat police following hoax call
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Aarglefarg
Member
You don't need to know everything to know something as simple as the risk in ordering an armed team expecting the worst onto someone.
captain_skyhawk
Member
I hope that guy gets the max sentence and has to payout to the guy who got swatted.
FadedRevolution
Member
Dude this dumbass called in a high risk situation to the police and you telling me he didn't know how serious it is? Fuck outta here with that bullshit. If I put up an ad for rough sex and put a woman's address and they end up getting attacked would I not be responsible? This kid doesn't deserve a slap on the wrist he knew what he was doing.
Aarglefarg
Member
It depends on the crime. If someone got two years for a really bad crime they were expecting more for? I'd expect they would be pretty happy.
For Attempted Murder? Yes, that's a ridiculously low sentence. I think anyone advocating for that has absolutely no idea the severity of the crime and how terrifying the Militarized US Police force really is. SWATing isn't a prank. It's trying to kill someone. Every time. No exceptions. This guy deserves the max that they can throw at him.
yurinka
Member
People must stop doing this swatting nonsense. People should go to jail during a fair amount of years for swatting.
And wtf police, doublecheck a minimum (the country of who is calling to you) and avoid shooting people, specially who is not a threat (a sleeping kid?). The psycopath police who head shots innocent people also should go to jail, like his boss who sent him there.
And wtf police, doublecheck a minimum (the country of who is calling to you) and avoid shooting people, specially who is not a threat (a sleeping kid?). The psycopath police who head shots innocent people also should go to jail, like his boss who sent him there.
I'm not suggesting they just walk up and ring the door bell. I'm saying that they need to do a far better job of reading the situation. The shoot first, sort it out later attitude is exactly why so many innocent people are harmed by the police. How many hostages situation do they encounter where everyone, including the people they thought were hostages, insist that they've got it wrong? If that is happening then it should warrant a bit more investigation and less trigger happy bullshit.
Seems like if you actually catch one of these asshole swatters coming down hard on them might start to dissuade others from doing this shit. If you give them a slap on the wrist and a stern talking to how are you dissuading others from doing this shit and showing them what they are doing is serious business? The majority of online bullshit that happens keeps happening because there is no accountability
Jack The Nipper
Banned
You guys are calling for swat to have better awareness or knowledge om a situation but you won't hold yourself to that same line.
What's wrong with knowing this guy and seeing if something can help him? No? Just prison and twenty years?
If you can't be open to learn more and having better optiins to help people then don't hold for changes in police mentality either. There is little difference in how your keeping a one line fits all
If it's so bad to not need to talk and know a person before they have any chance, then we strongly disagree.
Twenty years is no joke, not at all
If you can easily ruin anyone's life over what could be, could be a big mistake on a potentially decent person... Then thank goodness we don't do it your way.
I'm not condoning swatting at all, but bullying and many things cause murder to if you want to say swatting does.
We can't change always being so strong minded and having things so easily said. We need to sit down and help people grow, you think prison helps? I disagree. He will not be better for prison.
The idea of prison is already silly for many anyways. People need help, prison doesn't provide this.
What's wrong with knowing this guy and seeing if something can help him? No? Just prison and twenty years?
If you can't be open to learn more and having better optiins to help people then don't hold for changes in police mentality either. There is little difference in how your keeping a one line fits all
If it's so bad to not need to talk and know a person before they have any chance, then we strongly disagree.
Twenty years is no joke, not at all
If you can easily ruin anyone's life over what could be, could be a big mistake on a potentially decent person... Then thank goodness we don't do it your way.
I'm not condoning swatting at all, but bullying and many things cause murder to if you want to say swatting does.
We can't change always being so strong minded and having things so easily said. We need to sit down and help people grow, you think prison helps? I disagree. He will not be better for prison.
The idea of prison is already silly for many anyways. People need help, prison doesn't provide this.
DAREALGUMMY
Member
That should be the minimum sentence.
greatnorthern
Member
Absolutely. Kids get shot at elementary schools here and stricter gun laws still can't get passed because Republicans care more about their buddies in the NRA than people's lives. Sickening.
FadedRevolution
Member
Attempted murder is no joke as well. Having to get reconstructive surgery is no joke. Having a traumatic experience that will affect you for years is no joke. The only person to feel sorry for is the one who got shot in the fucking face.
After a sea change in society that would be a plausible argument.
But just giving this kid a counselor sends a message to all the other sociopathic gamergate children that swatting has zero repercussions... the worst that can happen is you might need to talk to a shrink if you get caught.
I can almost 100% guarantee if this kid got off with just some councilling, there would be a huge uptick in Swattings.
Vanguard771
Member
I can't imagine what would happen to the "swatters" if they did this nonsense in Singapore.
Frozenprince
Banned
Two years for attempted murder and attempt to cause bodily harm?
That is nothing. Two years with parole ain't shit, he'll be out in 18 months.
Following your logic we should only lock up anybody for a month or two at a time. After all if one day is hell then two months is more than enough suffering for any human being to ensure.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
Police brutality and tyranny over unarmed innocents are two of the worst things to come out of our generation, and that's saying something.
If you think it's ok that this kid was brutalized by trained professionals who are sworn to serve and protect him while he laid in bed, well, then you're part of the problem
Play stupid games win stupid prizes
GillianSeed79
Member
Pretty sure standard protocol in a hostage situation is NOT kicking the door in guns blazing. You are supposed to establish communication with the suspect and only raid the place as a last resort or if hostages are in imminent danger of death. Because just kicking doors in gets people killed FFS.
Frozenprince
Banned
There was an incident with Southeast Asian terrorists when I was younger where SWAT stormed in without a plan or assessing the situation and like three of the hostages died.
It was SUPPOSED to be a nationwide reform of how they operate as special operators. But I guess that didn't last long either.
Give them the max, Federal time so they have to serve most of it.
And why the fuck would they kick the door down, when there were supposedly explosives in play? The whole SWAT team would've died, along with the fucking hostages. Idiots, and some punishment needs to happen there as well.
And why the fuck would they kick the door down, when there were supposedly explosives in play? The whole SWAT team would've died, along with the fucking hostages. Idiots, and some punishment needs to happen there as well.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
The Split-Second Decision excuse only works for police.
Weltall Zero
Member
I want to live in your fantasy world. It seems such a pleasant place.
Crimson_Gold
Member
Have you heard how dangerous a black man can be in bed? You have no choice but to kick in the door and shoot him.
In all seriousness, police procedures seem to change depending on the color of the suspect/perpetrator. The arguments that the man brought it on himself only confirm how easy it is to blame someone for being born the wrong color. It's not the swat teams fault. They did what they were trained to do. Use excessive force against a person of color. Was this their actions training? Probably not. It was the training society gave them in day to day life. It just translated to their work performance
I cant believe this has to be said, but, SWAT are paid and trained officers of the Law, most of us Gaffers arent.
My job isnt to asses and deal with terrorism, I dont think us civilians asking for more accountability, to both the police, and the dumb fucks doing the swatting, is a bad or crazy thing.
You keep going on about 20 years being too much, and 2 years of jail time could kill you.
Well guess what, its supposed to be bad. its supposed to deter you from doing crime.
Everytime you think about stealing something, you weigh up the good and the bad, and thats how it should be.
These guys almost got a man killed. His life is forever changed, all because he played some game online, and pissed someone off.
You keep thinking about the jail time being too much for these 20 year olds, what about the poor bastard who almost died?
We NEED strict laws on this kind of shit to deter people from doing it.
EDIT: Prison isnt JUST about reform and help dude, its fucking punishment for your actions.
Prison is punishment first and foremost.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
lmfao
King Tubby
Member
This is the first time I've
a) Heard of someone actually get shot during a swatting incident
b) Seen a person of color get swatted
I'm sure it's a coincidence.
Swatting is basically arranging for someone to have a team of armed officers break into their home with fingers on the trigger ready to shoot. It's horrible and fucked up in many ways. It should be punished as a serious felony. It's way worse than, say, drunk driving, and people who make that mistake and get someone hurt or killed don't get much sympathy.
a) Heard of someone actually get shot during a swatting incident
b) Seen a person of color get swatted
I'm sure it's a coincidence.
Swatting is basically arranging for someone to have a team of armed officers break into their home with fingers on the trigger ready to shoot. It's horrible and fucked up in many ways. It should be punished as a serious felony. It's way worse than, say, drunk driving, and people who make that mistake and get someone hurt or killed don't get much sympathy.
Yup, permanent jail time, after a few shots to the face with rubber bullets.
Aarglefarg
Member
It is about reform and deterrence first. Punishment is a means to deterrence and shouldn't be at the expense of reform.
The thought that playing games and petty online rivalries can trigger for such idiotic and dangerous behaviour is really sad.
I hope no serious damage has come to the victim, that justice is dealt to those involved, and that the police get a harsh word at the very least for not checking the authenticity of the situation. I don't know how they determine when/where to use rubber bullets, but just glad there were no fatalities.
I hope no serious damage has come to the victim, that justice is dealt to those involved, and that the police get a harsh word at the very least for not checking the authenticity of the situation. I don't know how they determine when/where to use rubber bullets, but just glad there were no fatalities.
ColdDeckEd
Member
If I shot you in the face with a rubber bullet and you survived, would you be happy if I was only sentanced to two years? Is that justice for you?
I think it's punishment with reform being a goal.
But you're segregated from the public and denied freedom fir a reason.
Icedburden
Member
There are over 1.2 million police officers in the U.S. and you've seen SEVERAL videos? So, lets say you've seen 50 videos of a cop, in the last year, making incredibly stupid, corrupt or life-altering decisions. That is below 0.01%. There are bad eggs and incompetence in every profession. Doctors, lawyers, fire fighters or teachers.
If most of you can sit behind your computers and say you would do better, get off your ass and make a difference.
nitekrawlwer
Member
These are human lives we are talking about. That .01% is too much. One instance is too much.
Also completely disregards the 99.99% of police officers that can find video of their fellow officers doing despicable things and doing nothing about it.
Also your little comparison with doctors, lawyers, fire fighters and teachers completely ignores that they aren't carrying around guns or have the legal authority to be shooting people every other day. But thanks for more pointless hero worship and excuses for when cops do fuck up.
I swear I wish I lived in Europe so that an officer firing a gun let alone at an unarmed person was actually a big deal and always worthy of scrutiny.
I agree. It's like how sometimes people shoot into crowds... how are they supposed to know that bullets can kill people? It was just a hilarious prank! We need to understand these people, empathize with them. Don't lock them in prison, tell them what they did was wrong. Don't raise your voice either, that could startle them. Maybe we could have classes about how creating extremely dangerous situations, for the purpose of endangering others, is dangerous. Understanding is clearly the proper course of action here, guys.
I usually don't hold anonymous people on a video game forum to the same situational awareness standards as I would armed and trained professional SWAT members.
Won't someone think of the bullies whose lives are ruined for ruining the lives of others?
Fuck being held accountable for your actions, right?
For someone who has supposedly "never swatted", you seem very personally invested in this.
Vanguard771
Member
The incident happened in 2015 but it seems the guy in the UK is just now getting charged.
Aarglefarg
Member
Treating people badly isn't a great a way to make people better. The loss of freedom works for both safety (which I left out before) and deterrence purposes, but within that framework I think they should be treated in a way that models how they should treat others. Except for things like punishment for behaviour that happens in prison.
Lister
Banned
You pulled that percentage out of your ass, same place you got your argument.
The issue with incopetent, corrupt, poorly trained, racist, abusive, dangerous cops, isnt that the fuckers exist, it isnt even that the rest go from looking the other way to supporting their coworkers misbehavior. The problem is that the system does not, cannot, will not self correct.
The system actively works to keep these sacks of shit on our streets. If a doctor was as incompetent or violent or corrupt as some officers are, hed atleast have his licence removed at worst be jailed. If it wasshown he was poorly trained you bet your ass steps would be taken to improve training and weed out people that just dont belong in the vocation.
No such luck when it comes to cops, in no small part thanks to people like you, who think they can do no wrong.
Earthbound64
Banned
Why is this a thing?
PdotMichael
Banned
Maybe the SWAT teams need to reflect how do act in such cases. But I guess that is part of the American police culture.
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