TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD6EqRYCFKU
Sure feels like theres a lot of crap on PS store. I don't use Steam so I don't know how it compares though.
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The Jimquisition: The PS4 Trash Tour
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD6EqRYCFKU
Sure feels like theres a lot of crap on PS store. I don't use Steam so I don't know how it compares though.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
Nothing could compare to Steam in that regard, except for the mobile storefronts, which are worse...maybe?
At any rate, Steam's still the best gaming platform around :3
but yeah
Jim's got hundreds of videos up of shoddy PC games, whereas this is an 18 minute video of the worst shit on PS4, so that alone should tell ya how things compare
SinCityAssassin
Member
I mean you can't get worse than steam.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
Jim needs to dive in on the trash on the Wii U & 3DS eShop as well.
Every week dozens of games are on sale that I've never heard of.
Every week dozens of games are on sale that I've never heard of.
He needs just one name, friend, and that is RCMADIAX. I feel sorry for whoever purchased his "games"
Why is it bizarre? Do you think there is an employer at Sony that plays through all games before allowing them on the store?
He took a break? Not hard to see why, when he has "fans" like that.
AmuroChan
Member
It's easy to get games on PSN since you can self-publish, just like Mobile and Steam. Sony doesn't care if the game sucks as long as it passes QA.
I will always be of the belief that any game should be allowed on Steam, or PSN, the eShop, Live etc as long as they aren't promoting hatred. Platform holders should make discovery of the highly rated or popular games easy for everyone, that should be their job in curating the stores. I don't have a problem finding the good games on Steam or PSN so I don't see any problem. I'll never understand the "get this shit off the store" type of mentality some people have.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Stop being an uninformed consumer and look up what you're buying
Nintendo's Witch
Member
Black Tiger is simply AMAZING.
lol
lol
AmuroChan
Member
Yes, Adam Boyes still feels the same way, and he doesn't even work at Sony anymore.
Also, Sony implemented a new curation program a few months back, called Discover the Creators.
http://kotaku.com/playstation-store-now-has-curation-from-big-developers-1795488390
BigBoss007
Member
Life of Black Tiger <3
I've been in love with this game since I watched Digital Foundry's video.
I've been in love with this game since I watched Digital Foundry's video.
Tumle
Member
Dont You need to get your hands on a ps4 dev kit first?
Mainly people feeling obligated to have videos constantly from Joe even though he had announced he was going on a vacation. Hell knows that he is basically one man trying to do this and not someone who has a team of editors backing him up (or at least not from what I can recall last I checked).
Eh, I'm OK with everything on there. It makes sifting through stuff a pain at times, but if you're halfway educated about what's good and what's not, you wouldn't touch that crap anyway, and thus is stays out of your personal library. I have so much garbage in my Steam library due to bundles and whatnot, but I just put them all into a separate folder so that I don't have to look at them.
AmuroChan
Member
synchronicity
Member
Sing it brother.
I'd rather be spoiled for choice than have some arbitrary measure that judges what is good and bad for me.
InsaneTiger
Member
Yup
The internet is completely full of whiny entitled pieces of shit, so when Angry Joe said he wanted a bit of a break and some time for himself, the internet went nuts.
Tumle
Member
I'm always against curation. Let everything in and highlight the best stuff.
PSN having bad games was never a problem to me. Also, what's bad for someone might be good for someone else.
This post says it better:
PSN having bad games was never a problem to me. Also, what's bad for someone might be good for someone else.
This post says it better:
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Nothing interesting. He didn't put out many angry reviews in a slow month so annoying people lost their shit.
I don't know, I've always felt the same about this whichever download store it is.
I'm much happier having people being able to publish their own games. People don't really have any excuse when it comes to which games they should and shouldn't be buying, it's not as if there's a shortage of information out there for people interested in buying games. If there is and it's a game that's appeared from out of nowhere then you need to take that into account.
I don't really understand why people would hand over money if they don't know what it is they're buying.
I'm much happier having people being able to publish their own games. People don't really have any excuse when it comes to which games they should and shouldn't be buying, it's not as if there's a shortage of information out there for people interested in buying games. If there is and it's a game that's appeared from out of nowhere then you need to take that into account.
I don't really understand why people would hand over money if they don't know what it is they're buying.
Interestingly enough, I would never, ever see most of these games on Steam or PSN if Jim weren't playing them and putting them in his spotlight. My eyes just never catch them.
At this point, I think Jim just likes to try out obviously shit games. It's like watching obviously shit, low budget movies. It's shit, schlock and weird camp. =)
At this point, I think Jim just likes to try out obviously shit games. It's like watching obviously shit, low budget movies. It's shit, schlock and weird camp. =)
Clarkus Darkus
Member
Mixture of entitlement, Lack of game reviews which he set a schedule for and still failed, Making same money doing a short movie reviews, He blames lack of games coming out but missed a ton that was released etc.
He disabled comments aswell which triggered alot of subs.
Diprosalic
Banned
i will never understand the problem of this, i guess it makes for good videos.
i'm on steam and ps4 quite often and i've yet to encounter any of those terrible games. most good games flood to the top.
i like it when anyone can get anything on the store.
i'm on steam and ps4 quite often and i've yet to encounter any of those terrible games. most good games flood to the top.
i like it when anyone can get anything on the store.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Well Adam Boyes responded specifically to the "Black Tiger" issue with the simple rebuttal that when you start rejecting stuff on creative grounds, you're on a slippery-slope because the determination that something isn't of saleable quality is subjective.
Somebody needs to make that determination based on their taste and values, as opposed to conforming (or not) to a checklist of TRC's and store policies. Subjectivity versus objectivity in short.
This is authoritarianism pure and simple. Its about somebody/somebodies imposing their taste and values purportedly "for the common good", which is exactly the sort of thing that goes to hell in a handbasket over time because where's the control on that remit?
This exactly. I'd much rather creators who make cool weird things get a chance to make money than require only things that meet some arbitrary standard of what a "real" game is. And as someone who can enjoy janky but interesting games, requiring games by small/one person teams to be super polished isn't fair or really a thing I see as necessary.
Nekketsu Kõha
Banned
Same. I mean there was tons of shit on the first PlayStation and back then it was many times far worse when browsing a store only really able to see the cover and at best rely on word of mouth and game magazines.
newtypepilot
Member
I wouldn't be surprised if it's made by someone with connections to some Sony exec, probably their kid.
BigBeauford
Member
I feel like Jim, after experiencing his issues with steam developers, is becoming a bit obsessed with his campaign against crappy games. There.are.a lot of other stories to cover which affect gamers more.
ambar_hitman
Member
Haven't checked the video, but is that Mayo game featured?
InsaneTiger
Member
We get it Jim. There a lot of crappy games available on Steam and PSN store. But curation is not the answer. Granted, if games are pure asset flips or if a game has stolen art then they should be removed. But if someone likes Life of a Tiger then who I am to stop them?
Adam Boyes and Zemm are right.
Adam Boyes and Zemm are right.
I'm not sure what Jim is doing here...
Shitty games aren't ethically wrong.
The ethical line is deception. Just because a product is in a store doesn't inherently make it "deceptive."
I hate that Jim just makes fun of these games as if there's something morally reprehensible about them. He should be focused on the broken promises, like when a game advertises space combat and doesn't have it (No Man's Sky).
If a 14-year-old wants to upload his shitty game to a storefront and share it with his friends to feel proud, why not?
Sure, I agree with Jim that it's a little deceptive for Sony to put the PlayStation brand behind some of these awful games. And I agree that there needs to be some clear warnings on awful games, like markers for "this game is unusually buggy" or something.
But at some point, there has to be some consumer responsibility for their own purchase decisions.
Shitty games aren't ethically wrong.
The ethical line is deception. Just because a product is in a store doesn't inherently make it "deceptive."
I hate that Jim just makes fun of these games as if there's something morally reprehensible about them. He should be focused on the broken promises, like when a game advertises space combat and doesn't have it (No Man's Sky).
If a 14-year-old wants to upload his shitty game to a storefront and share it with his friends to feel proud, why not?
Sure, I agree with Jim that it's a little deceptive for Sony to put the PlayStation brand behind some of these awful games. And I agree that there needs to be some clear warnings on awful games, like markers for "this game is unusually buggy" or something.
But at some point, there has to be some consumer responsibility for their own purchase decisions.
davidnolan13
Member
Aren't most of these games just on the us store though and not eu, jp etc. That shows its a local issue and not a company wide issue.
NormalFish
Banned
I think you guys are focusing on the wrong part of this video. I don't think the crappy games themselves are a massive issue, it's that Sony is actively promoting them on youtube.
Jacksinthe
Banned
As a one-man dev I do and it's completely fair. I'm not doing what I do as a hobby project or looking to scrape the bottom of the barrel. The work one man and small teams put in is a direct reflection of how they view the medium and potential consumers. As someone who worked the past 2 years with a 2 man team on a game that is now in the dumpster due to reasons outside of my control I'm not just going to slap the rest together and call it a day. I'm using that as a learning experience, cutting my losses and starting again, this time solo so I can make sure I'm the only one responsible for finishing the project and I'm better off for it.
I look forward to the next two or three years of development coming fresh off the back of a collaborative programmer hijacking code, a collaborative artists who seemingly got bored of what he was doing and being diagnosed with (and kicking its ass) cancer. Time is on my terms now and I'm going to make the best use of it I can.
You can disagree with me and that's fine. I feel not that there needs to be a certain level of quality for art or gameplay or whatever but it damn well better function properly and play smoothly. I'm all for the occasional wonky game as there are MANY gems out there that at face value look absurd but they are still able to send the right messages to the player and play well doing it. I don't think it's a bad thing to set a certain bar for what is acceptable "polish". A game that just runs isn't good enough.
If a developer can make a game interesting with nothing but cubes and rectangles and make it not only play well but be damn fun at the same time - I see no excuse, even with zero knowledge of programming or the like. There are plenty of tools to help developers with no usable skill other than ideas and there have been fun games made by just those people.
Showing up to dev with an empty bag of fucks is no way to make a game. Curation doesn't need to be heavy handed, it just needs to set the minimum bar and I feel above all that bar is going to be execution of material and not the material itself. I believe that's fair.
Mr. Luchador
Member
Oh look, Jim Sterling shovelling through more shit and complaining about shit being shit. C'mon, Jim, you've been doing this for what seems like forever now. Please do something else. For someone who is capable of producing good content, Jim sure spends a lot of time producing shit content about shit now.
Is this it now, Jim? Is this the audience you pander to to sustain your Patreon funding? Is this what they've told you they want - you complaining about shit being shit? It's been 2 years and the whole Digital Homicide episode is still your banner video too. Move on, please. At this point I'm starting to believe you're simply looking for the next indie dev to bite at your trawling through terrible games, so you can have another public spat.
In regards to terrible things being available on store fronts...I mean this isn't a unique situation to the computer games industry, every form of entertainment has entire libraries and shelves of terrible, terrible things - music, movies, books, etc. This, of course, being the wonderment of choice.
Is this it now, Jim? Is this the audience you pander to to sustain your Patreon funding? Is this what they've told you they want - you complaining about shit being shit? It's been 2 years and the whole Digital Homicide episode is still your banner video too. Move on, please. At this point I'm starting to believe you're simply looking for the next indie dev to bite at your trawling through terrible games, so you can have another public spat.
In regards to terrible things being available on store fronts...I mean this isn't a unique situation to the computer games industry, every form of entertainment has entire libraries and shelves of terrible, terrible things - music, movies, books, etc. This, of course, being the wonderment of choice.
CharminUltra
Member
Deer lord. The first few seconds alone are like aahhhhhhhhhh
I don't get this kinda content. Like, crap piling up is just an unavoidable side effect of platforms becoming more open.
Then again, I don't enjoy bad movies or looking at terrible internet stuff either, so maybe I just don't have my comedic sensibility aligned correctly to enjoy these kinda examinations
Then again, I don't enjoy bad movies or looking at terrible internet stuff either, so maybe I just don't have my comedic sensibility aligned correctly to enjoy these kinda examinations