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NFL - Dallas Cowboys RB Ezekiel Elliott Suspended 6 Games

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mr2xxx

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FStubbs said:
LOL at the Mara conspiracy BS ...

Think if Mara controlled the league:

1. It would have been legal to commit personal fouls against Beckham last year? Refs had it in for him.
2. Elliott would be playing this Sunday?
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I'm not soley blaming Mara for the cap loss because it was him and the majority of owners colluding to save money and punishing a few teams who tried to use their money to compete. And I only mention the cap situation because its another example of the NFL creating rules on the fly and angering fans once again.
 
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jbug617

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NFL counter suing in NY
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NFL is arguing that the jurisdiction is NY and not Texas (where Zeke filed his lawsuit)
https://twitter.com/WerlySportsLaw/status/905266248744882177

Full PDF
http://thewhitebronco.com/nfl-lawsuit-ny-elliott/
 
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Grug

Member
Not condoning Elliott's behaviour in any way, shape, or form, but on a purely legal process level, fuck me the NFL ran this very, very poorly. Left themselves wide open. "Natural justice" red flags everywhere.
 
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Euphor!a

Banned
Grug said:
Not condoning Elliott's behaviour in any way, shape, or form, but on a purely legal process level, fuck me the NFL ran this very, very poorly. Left themselves wide open. "Natural justice" red flags everywhere.
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What? On a "purely legal process level" Elliot and the Cowboys have zero ground at all due to the CBA they agreed to.
 
prag16

prag16

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NYR said:
Learn what "reasonable doubt" actually means please, you have no idea what you are talking about. Hint - in common law systems, if there is reasonable doubt, he is NOT guilty.

burden-of-proof-beyond-a-reasonable-doubt.jpg
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Zeke checks in somewhere around "probably guilty" on that scale.

Get absolutely rekt Zeke. Dude is a confirmed pos. Even totally disregarding these domestic violence allegations.
 
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elrechazado

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Euphor!a said:
What? On a "purely legal process level" Elliot and the Cowboys have zero ground at all due to the CBA they agreed to.
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Then why have they won multiple times in court if they have "zero" ground? You understand that unions and management go to court over exercise of collectively bargained aspects of labor contracts every day in the US, right? You might as well say contract law is never litigated.
 
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Euphor!a

Banned
elrechazado said:
Then why have they won multiple times in court if they have "zero" ground? You understand that unions and management go to court over exercise of collectively bargained aspects of labor contracts every day in the US, right? You might as well say contract law is never litigated.
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Who is they?
 
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Euphor!a

Banned
elrechazado said:
Ok, I see you're not having an actual conversation, good luck with that.
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Sorry for talking about the part of the CBA that is actually relevant to the matter at hand, would you like to talk about some other part of it? Feel free to make that topic and we can discuss it there I guess.
 
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JABEE

Member
TaterTots said:
So, there is no proof he touched that woman, but there is proof she told her friends to say shit, but you guys wanna throw him under the bus? lol. Crazy around here.
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The girl had injuries. There's verified photos of her bruises with meta data. He was definitely with her that day.

His hypothetical reasons for her bruises is her possibly falling down a flight of steps.

Elliott lied about the police never being called on them. They were called multiple times before this incident. This is in the police records. There are texts of him asking her to come back after these calls.

This would not make sense in a narrative where she's just a "gold digger" trying to get money out of Elliott.

Family and friends testify to her constantly making excuses for Elliott saying she fell in the bathtub or ran into something when asked about injuries.

The victim had a miscarriage with Elliott's baby at one point and aborted the other twin.

This along with Elliott's excuse for lifting up a woman's top without asking had "consent" because she had sex with him later on. He did not have consent at the time of doing so.

Or it's a mad NFL conspiracy to frame and suspend Zeke, because he's the best running back in the NFL playing for the most popular and valuable team in the country.
 
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ryutaro's mama

Member
JABEE said:
The girl had injuries. There's verified photos of her bruises with meta data. He was definitely with her that day.

His hypothetical reasons for her bruises is her possibly falling down a flight of steps.

Elliott lied about the police never being called on them. They were called multiple times before this incident. This is in the police records. There are texts of him asking her to come back after these calls.

This would not make sense in a narrative where she's just a "gold digger" trying to get money out of Elliott.

Family and friends testify to her constantly making excuses for Elliott saying she fell in the bathtub or ran into something when asked about injuries.

The victim had a miscarriage with Elliott's baby at one point and aborted the other twin.

This along with Elliott's excuse for lifting up a woman's top without asking had "consent" because she had sex with him later on. He did not have consent at the time of doing so.

Or it's a mad NFL conspiracy to frame and suspend Zeke, because he's the best running back in the NFL playing for the most popular and valuable team in the country.
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Didn't two different police departments decline to pursue charges due to inconsistency in her interviews?

Am I seeing this right?
 
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elrechazado

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Euphor!a said:
Sorry for talking about the part of the CBA that is actually relevant to the matter at hand, would you like to talk about some other part of it? Feel free to make that topic and we can discuss it there I guess.
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Ok, since you're being cute, despite you suggesting ignorantly that the nflpa can't litigate things they collectively bargained for, how about two cases where the federal courts specifically overturned suspensions:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nown-practical-impact/?utm_term=.7d3ea6608789

"For the second time, either a federal judge or former federal judge has ruled against the NFL in its bid to enforce a suspension imposed against a high-profile player during the turbulent 2014 season."

Later an appeals panel ruled the opposite, and the nflpa chose not to further appeal, as it was moot. Too bad you know more than the nflpa and the federal judges who have ruled on the collective bargaining agreement. You could have saved everyone time with your "no leg to stand on" take, and nobody would have to litigate anything ever again. The truth is you are wrong, and the nflpa absolutely can and should litigate these issues, and you moving the goalposts to pretend you didn't say that is funny.

So - care to retract your ignorant comments?
 
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Euphor!a

Banned
elrechazado said:
Ok, since you're being cute, despite you suggesting ignorantly that the nflpa can't litigate things they collectively bargained for, how about two cases where the federal courts specifically overturned suspensions:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nown-practical-impact/?utm_term=.7d3ea6608789

"For the second time, either a federal judge or former federal judge has ruled against the NFL in its bid to enforce a suspension imposed against a high-profile player during the turbulent 2014 season."

Later an appeals panel ruled the opposite, and the nflpa chose not to further appeal, as it was moot. Too bad you know more than the nflpa and the federal judges who have ruled on the collective bargaining agreement. You could have saved everyone time with your "no leg to stand on" take, and nobody would have to litigate anything ever again. The truth is you are wrong, and the nflpa absolutely can and should litigate these issues, and you moving the goalposts to pretend you didn't say that is funny.

So - care to retract your ignorant comments?
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/08/04/adrian-peterson-appeals-court-suspension-roger-goodell-wins

EIGHTH CIRCUIT RULES FOR NFL AND REAFFIRMS GOODELL'S POWER
In Oct. 2015, a three-judge panel on the Eighth Circuit consisting of Judges Steven Colloton, James Loken and Diana Murphy heard oral arguments in St. Paul, Minnesota delivered by attorney Jeffrey Kessler on behalf of the NFLPA and Daniel Nash on behalf of the NFL. Nash's central argument was that Judge Doty exceeded the bounds of his authority in vacating Henderson's award. Nash maintained that the punishment of Peterson was not retroactive, at least not in the sense that it would undermine Article 46. As referenced above, Article 46 is worded in such an expansive way that Goodell can—at least in theory—issue suspensions of any length when he finds that a player has committed conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence in, the NFL.

On Thursday, the three appellate judges issued an opinion in full agreement with Nash. On behalf of the panel, Judge Colloton's opinion echoed themes that were enunciated in the Apr. 25th opinion by Judges Barrington Parker, Jr. and Denny Chin against Brady. Judge Colloton emphasized that federal courts possess very limited authority in vacating arbitration awards. Judges can only focus on whether the arbitrator (which was Henderson in this instance) plausibly applied Article 46 and reasonably interpreted the so-called ”law of the shop," which requires consistency in arbitration awards. Put another way, Henderson did not need to be ”correct" about Peterson's punishment. He only needed to reach a plausible decision about the punishment. This was a point similar to one made by Judges Parker and Chin in regards to Brady: even though Goodell punished Brady over an alleged ball deflation conspiracy that lacked direct evidence and that various scientists contend did not occur, Goodell reached the decision in a sufficiently plausible way.

Building on that point, Judge Colloton reasoned that Henderson was within his authority as an arbitrator to determine that Goodell did not change the policy in Aug. 2014. This is true, Judge Colloton maintained, even though Goodell actually used the word ”change". Of particular significance to the judge was how Goodell stressed that the change ”was consistent with our Personal Conduct Policy," meaning it was not a change in policy. Judge Colloton amplified that ”the Commissioner is not forever bound to historical precedent if prior discipline under the Personal Conduct Policy provided insufficient deterrence . . . in other words, the League might change its discipline without changing its policy." Judge Colloton therefore thought it was ”unnecessary" under federal law for Henderson ”to decide whether the Commissioner applied an ‘old' policy, a ‘new' policy, or simply a ‘single' policy that encompassed the writings from both June and August."

Judge Colloton also rejected the significance that Judge Doty placed on the Rice decision. In Nov. 2014, former U.S. District Judge Barbara Jones, while serving as an arbitrator, found that the NFL had wrongly double punished Rice for the same misconduct. Judge Doty thought the Rice decision was applicable to the Peterson matter since both concerned punishments that violated the law of the shop. Judge Colloton firmly disagreed, highlighting that Rice's matter involved a second discipline whereas Peterson's ”sanction was the first discipline imposed."
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JABEE

Member
ryutaro's mama said:
Didn't two different police departments decline to pursue charges due to inconsistency in her interviews?

Am I seeing this right?
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Yes, but declining to press charges is different than whether she did it.

The incidents that occurred which led to this investigation by the NFL were investigated by the NFL.

In the NFL report, the prosecutor on the case said they believed Elliott's accuser.

It is difficult to prosecute domestic abuse cases. It's even more difficult when you are accusing star OSU, Cowboys Superstar runningback. The character questions about her and texts between her friends talking about making up a story about how the last set of injuries occurred would also be difficult to take into the court of law.

The NFL does not operate under the same standard as an actual court where you can sentence a man to years in a cage. Goodell is the law in the NFL and protecting the league's public image. Just because the local police won't prosecute hometown hero Zeke doesn't mean the NFL will not do what it has to ensure this shit doesn't blowback on them.

The NFL is deathly afraid of another Ray Rice situation. The NFL shouldn't need a video of Elliott knocking his girlfriend out to enact discipline.
 
NYR

NYR

Member
...aaaaand like clockwork, suspension is blocked, Zeke is back for the season.

FRISCO, Texas -- Federal judge Amos Mazzant on Friday granted a request by the NFL Players Association for a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction to prevent the implementation of the six-game suspension for Dallas Cowboys running back Ezekiel Elliott.

Elliott was already eligible to play in Sunday's season opener against the New York Giants, but his suspension for violating the league's personal conduct policy was to begin Monday. With the injunction granted, Elliott likely will be able to continue playing as the legal process plays out.
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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...t-dallas-cowboys-running-back-ezekiel-elliott
 
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Dynomutt

Member
FRISCO, Texas -- Federal judge Amos Mazzant on Friday granted a request by the NFL Players Association for a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction to prevent the implementation of the six-game suspension for Dallas Cowboys running back Ezekiel Elliott.

Elliott was already eligible to play in Sunday's season opener against the New York Giants, but his suspension for violating the league's personal conduct policy was to begin Monday. With the injunction granted, Elliott likely will be able to continue playing as the legal process plays out.

If the request had been denied, Elliott would have appealed to the U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals to ask for an immediate stay.

"We are very pleased that Mr. Elliott will finally be given the opportunity to have an impartial decision-maker carefully examine the NFL's misconduct," Elliott's attorneys said in a statement Friday night. "This is just the beginning of the unveiling of the NFL's mishandling as it relates to Mr. Elliott's suspension."
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Wow. Did not expect this at all. Can't spell GoodeLL without those L's.
 
jchap

jchap

Member
The NFL has botched everything about this "investigation".

The judges comments were pretty scathing:

"The circumstances of this case are unmatched by any case this Court has seen. . . . Fundamental unfairness infected this case from the beginning, eventually killing any possibility that justice would be served."
 
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Grug

Member
Seen a few hysterical posts on social media of people saying that the Courts are protecting perpetrators of domestic violence etc as if that is actually what the legal action was about.

The NFL botched this from the start, they went in with a predetermined outcome and then manipulated the "investigation" to deliver said outcome.

They could have possibly still given Elliott some sort of suspension if they ran a professional process but Roger went for the massive overreach instead. Granting the injunction would have been one of the most obvious and simple decisions that judge makes this year.
 
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WordsintheWater

Member
When you read the reasons behind it, it becomes obvious why the injunction was given

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/09/08/the-reasons-for-ezekiel-elliotts-victory/

especially this part

Finally, Judge Mazzant explains that it was the one thing Henderson required the league to do — produce Kia Roberts to testify — that set the stage for Elliott’s ability to prove his case. Here’s the key text from the opinion: “Consistent with its previous actions to suppress Roberts’s dissenting opinions, the NFL kept this sequence of events from the NFLPA and Elliott until the arbitration hearing. In fact, had the NFL succeeded in its overall goal, this sequence of events would still be concealed from Elliott and the NFLPA. The NFLPA filed a motion to compel the testimony of Roberts, and the NFL argued in response that her testimony was unnecessary, consistent with Friel’s testimony, and cumulative. . . . Luckily, the NFLPA found the fairness needle in the unfairness haystack and Henderson ordered Roberts to testify. The arbitration record shows that Roberts’s testimony was everything but unnecessary, consistent, and cumulative.”
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prag16

prag16

Banned
Not that the NFL did a good job with any of this. But the CBA apparently isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

He'll still serve the suspension, ultimately. Unless the CBA is REALLY worth nothing.
 
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MegaManTrigger

Banned
prag16 said:
Not that the NFL did a good job with any of this. But the CBA apparently isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

He'll still serve the suspension, ultimately. Unless the CBA is REALLY worth nothing.
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The CBA would've been enforced if Roger Goodell wasn't an idiot with how the investigation went down. I mean, I get where people are coming from saying "lol PA signed it so stfu and eat that bullet" but when the commissioner fucks up, especially someone that has an unprecedented amount of power that Roger Goodell has in the NFL relative to other sports leagues, there should be checks and balances for something like that. That's what law is for.
 
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tapedeck

Do I win a prize for talking about my penis on the Internet???
jchap said:
The NFL has botched everything about this "investigation".

The judges comments were pretty scathing:

"The circumstances of this case are unmatched by any case this Court has seen. . . . Fundamental unfairness infected this case from the beginning, eventually killing any possibility that justice would be served.”
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Damn...judge went in hard.
 
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Nemesis121

Member
mr2xxx said:
Barely anyone gave a shit when Redskins and Cowboys lost cap space in 2014 for front loading contracts in a uncapped year. And this was a decision made by Mara, a division rival. I can't blame Goodell when he's just the puppet of a group of owners who are most likely terrible people.
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lol Washington fans still bitter about that hahahahahaha, teams were warned 6 times during NFL ownership meetings, NOT TO DUMP CAP, they didn't give a damn so they got punished...
 
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Grug

Member
prag16 said:
Not that the NFL did a good job with any of this. But the CBA apparently isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

He'll still serve the suspension, ultimately. Unless the CBA is REALLY worth nothing.
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Signing the CBA doesn't just automatically waive your broader legal rights. It doesn't entitle the NFL to play Judge Dredd with no regard to process or natural justice.
 
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Euphor!a

Banned
The same thing that happened to Brady will end up happening here, he'll play this season but he will serve the 6 games next season.
 
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jviggy43

Member
Nemesis121 said:
lol Washington fans still bitter about that hahahahahaha, teams were warned 6 times during NFL ownership meetings, NOT TO DUMP CAP, they didn't give a damn so they got punished...
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Being told to adhere to rules that don't exist and then punishing those teams for not following non existent rules was fucking stupid.
 
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BassForever

Member
prag16 said:
Still here. He can still get absolutely rekt. He is still an immature pos regardless of the outcome here.
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I think those of us defending Zeke agree zeke is immature as fuck and probably a shit head for putting himself in dumb situation after dumb situation. That doesn't make him guilty of domestic violence nor does it mean he didn't deserve a fair investigation and sentence which the nfl seems to have not done.
 
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