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Dragon Ball Super |OT8| There is no justice or evil, only survival or erasure.

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This happening gives me the feeling it will happen again to a different universe.

Out of all of U7, my guess is Vegeta.
Vegeta wouldn’t be that stupid, he can swallow his pride for his kids. Goku on the other hand, if he gets knocked out and something in rings happens to piss him off, he will act stupid
 

J4g3r

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Vegeta wouldn’t be that stupid, he can swallow his pride for his kids. Goku on the other hand, if he gets knocked out and something in rings happens to piss him off, he will act stupid

Frost wasn't really stupid either until today's episode.

Vegeta could just as easily step out of line in an act of impulse.
 

Espada

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Man, I think this episode is really good setup for some stuff down the line. Remember that the Zenos can't keep track of things if they move too fast? Someone on the stands could exploit this to help out their team. That would let them dodge the instant-wipe from Zeno and tilt things in their favor.

Oh, and NEP looks awesome. A damn spirit bomb while SSB + KK is nuts. That'd probably drop all but 3-4 people in this tournament (outside of Jiren).
 

jwk94

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Just caught up after a month of not watching. Since when could Goku heal people? I'm liking the tactics people are using, but this still feels so worthless. We already know End of Z has to happen, so U7 isn't going to get erased. The other universes, maybe, but oh well. Frost being erased so quickly and nobody but Champa caring leads me to believe something's going on with the whole erasure thing. If these guys aren't actually being erased, but transported elsewhere, what does that mean for Zamasu?
 

Real Hero

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Just caught up after a month of not watching. Since when could Goku heal people? I'm liking the tactics people are using, but this still feels so worthless. We already know End of Z has to happen, so U7 isn't going to get erased. The other universes, maybe, but oh well. Frost being erased so quickly and nobody but Champa caring leads me to believe something's going on with the whole erasure thing. If these guys aren't actually being erased, but transported elsewhere, what does that mean for Zamasu?

even without the end of Z you know they main heroes will live on anyway. I dunno, if they couldn't get any emotional reaction or investment from you in episodes like the roshi one then I don't think they ever will, personally I have bought into most episodes this tournament and really enjoyed them
 
Frost wasn't really stupid either until today's episode.

Vegeta could just as easily step out of line in an act of impulse.
What did Frost had left losing anyway? He promised Champa to do something in the tournament, yet that didn’t happen, bet Champa would have erased him sooner or later
 

FStubbs

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The ending of this arc will inevitably be controversial. It doesn't matter what they do. Some people want those characters to stay, but if that happens the whole tournament will end up being pointless.

Why would it be? If all the loser universes are brought back as part of U7, it makes U7 a huge place with all kinds of possibilities. For starters, it's easily possible that the strongest fighters from a universe didn't even come to this tournament since the Kais only had a day and change to round them up. You could have an arc or two just on the fallout from that alone before getting into the big universes that didn't participate, the guy who's stronger than a GoD, or the 6 universes that were erased.

Frieza is bored bro

I think that was part of it, and like the guy above said, he wanted to provoke Frost into retaliating from the stands to see what would happen.

Plus - Frost would've backstabbed Freeza anyway. Freeza just did it first.
 

Slaythe

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Urgh

Not having a good feeling regarding u7, erasure and 17.

- not in EoZ so literally the only character that would add tension if it happened

- doesn't listen to rules if he doesn't feel like it

- already shown he was ready to die selflessly

If 18 is getting trashed he could intervene I guess.

I hope the Super Dragon balls can at least bring back one person from that.
 

Real Hero

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Urgh

Not having a good feeling regarding u7, erasure and 17.

- not in EoZ so literally the only character that would add tension if it happened

- doesn't listen to rules if he doesn't feel like it

- already shown he was ready to die selflessly

If 18 is getting trashed he could intervene I guess.

I hope the Super Dragon balls can at least bring back one person from that.

I don't want to it to happen because I like the character but thinking about it, it could be done really well if it impacts goku etc he has basically been dragged away from his family by goku just randomly turning up so it could be interesting if universe 7 wins but not all of the make it back
 
I can already see Goku make the McDonald eyes and scratch the back of his head while explaining to 17's wife and kids why 17 won't return
sorry bout 17 but don't worry he was a strong ally.
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Laplasakos

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lol bye Frost

Frieza showing why he is one of the best things to happen to this arc.

Indeed.

Until the last minute, i was pretty sure that Frieza had planned with Frost to kick him out, in order to seem like the rest of the team can trust him and lower their guard, while Frost would execute some kind of orders from outside but then Zeno erased him and i was like ''wow, what?''.
 
Just watched the episode.
Very low quality animations and not so good pacing this time. But that's alright. The last few episodes had above average animations with some high quality highlights. We also get double episodes next time, hopefully with some hype climax shit :) Didn't watched the next episode preview
 

Ataxia

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EoZ was written how long ago? IMO they aren’t gonna stick with it if only because it limits where they can take the narrative

Not sure it makes sense to draw conclusions about 17 just yet from something so old
 
Soo....
A mafuba was fired twice.
Vegeta got rid of magetta.
Gohan fought jimeze
Freeza beats jimeze
Freeza plots with frost to beat gohan
Freeza now plots with gohan to beat frost (for some reason? I guess freeza wanted to ultra humiliate frost.)
Freeza beats frost.
Frost gets erased.

Goku is still fighting ribrianne.
In base form...
 

CryptiK

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Soo....
A mafuba was fired twice.
Vegeta got rid of magetta.
Gohan fought jimeze
Freeza beats jimeze
Freeza plots with frost to beat gohan
Freeza now plots with gohan to beat frost (for some reason? I guess freeza wanted to ultra humiliate frost.)
Freeza beats frost.
Frost gets erased.

Goku is still fighting ribrianne.
In base form...
Goku fighting Rib would be happening while all that happened. By the end of the Freeza thing Goku probably already started fighting Jiren.
 

Rutger

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Buu may have a more interesting fighting style, but character wise, Frieza shits on him.

Frieza was great on Namik and his very short appearance before the androids.
In Super, he has been really bad. The villain of the worst arc, and now he is bringing down this arc. What made him so great as a villain in the past was that he was a pathetic man who thought he was above everything, but now they are trying to turn him into a schemer who is more intelligent than he was ever shown to be, and in doing so it is undoing the perfect conclusion he had.

To make things worse, his predictable ulterior motives has me wanting him to get on with it already instead of eagerly wondering what twists this arc could have. It's funny, since Buu isn't a villain anymore, he's not in a position to take the spotlight of this arc, which makes the conclusion of this arc far less predictable even though that's what some are telling me Frieza adds to it.

I would gladly have Buu as an active supporting character and new villains over Frieza trying to relive his glory days.
 
It kind of makes sense. Goku generally falls back on the Spirit Bomb when he is out of energy and has no other option. Also, it's been pretty obvious since the beginning that it's not his own energy he uses when he charges it.

In that clip he is clearly transformed and at max power though. Doesn't make sense why he would do that though.

Anyhow, that whole thing was Frost was pretty stupid... He could have just taken Frost out at any point anyways. What was the point of that act? Maybe to gain Gohan's trust? If anything it just foreshadows him betraying them later at some point... You can't trust anyone as Freeza put it.

Frieza likes to toy with people and have fun. That's all this was. He was toying with Frost. He knows he could've destroyed him whenever he wanted, and so did Champa. Hence why Champa was careful to warn the idiot that he was no match.
 
Frieza was great on Namik and his very short appearance before the androids.
In Super, he has been really bad. The villain of the worst arc, and now he is bringing down this arc. What made him so great as a villain in the past was that he was a pathetic man who thought he was above everything, but now they are trying to turn him into a schemer who is more intelligent than he was ever shown to be, and in doing so it is undoing the perfect conclusion he had.

To make things worse, his predictable ulterior motives has me wanting him to get on with it already instead of eagerly wondering what twists this arc could have. It's funny, since Buu isn't a villain anymore, he's not in a position to take the spotlight of this arc, which makes the conclusion of this arc far less predictable even though that's what some are telling me Frieza adds to it.

I would gladly have Buu as an active supporting character and new villains over Frieza trying to relive his glory days.

so basically Frieza is massively improved in Super
 
Vegeta wouldn’t be that stupid, he can swallow his pride for his kids. Goku on the other hand, if he gets knocked out and something in rings happens to piss him off, he will act stupid
No he won't

Goku is an idiot when it comes to everything except fighting. He always respect the rules of any tournament.
 
I was so sure the episode would end like this and Frieza would lure Frost and bring him down.

About the NEP: Goku using Genki Dama. really? From whom would he drain energy? Krilin, Tenshinhan Han and Master Roshi, maybe the kaioshins? Really? Is he really that stupid?
 
I was so sure the episode would end like this and Frieza would lure Frost and bring him down.

About the NEP: Goku using Genki Dama. really? From whom would he drain energy? Krilin, Tenshinhan Han and Master Roshi, maybe the kaioshins? Really? Is he really that stupid?
He can get energy from his teammates in the ring too
 

HeroR

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No he won't

Goku is an idiot when it comes to everything except fighting. He always respect the rules of any tournament.

Seriously. When Goku loses, he's gracious about. Just looked at when he lost to Frost in the Champa Saga. He was cool about it and went, 'Oh, I lost. Oh well". Not sure where Goku would get salty comes from.
 
Well, Frost would have been more interesting than Frieza as a recurring villain, so turning Frieza into Purple Frost is an improvement in a way.

But they should have just stuck with Blue Frost imo.
I also love Frost.

Freeza suddenly being smart kind of fits worth the idea that he realized he had to improve himself after his resurrection. Maybe having been dead for so long really changed him?
 
Frieza has sinister motives; we know this. He might very well want to wish to kill Beerus with a wish from the Super Dragon Balls, just as Whis speculated. That said, I see a very interesting dynamic for a Frieza who is somewhat redeemed, but who still can't entirely be trusted going forward. This doesn't mean they'll ever make him a regular part of the main cast, because quite frankly that doesn't fit his character. However, I could see him fitting in quite well as a known force in another part of the universe that is utilized from time to time in the advancing of specific new plots.
 
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