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Are you happy with GAF's current pace?
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BizzyBum
Member
GAF currently has the LawBreakers effect going on right now.
Low userbase so more and more people continue to migrate elsewhere and new people don't sign up because no one's posting so why bother, especially when the other forum has way more people and it's easier to sign up.
Unfortunately if this place wants to see an increase they would have to ease up on membership and sign-up process.
Low userbase so more and more people continue to migrate elsewhere and new people don't sign up because no one's posting so why bother, especially when the other forum has way more people and it's easier to sign up.
Unfortunately if this place wants to see an increase they would have to ease up on membership and sign-up process.
Its more than a few hundred.
The alternative community that popped up now sits at 26,000 users.
Go jot down the number of posts here and Era have now.
Come back in a day or two and see how many posts been made since then
ItemCollector
Neo Member
Yea that's not happening, the other site is a lot more modern.
Harlock
Member
Well, the forum is a weird situation, where a lot of good folks were banned and the people who banned them left to create the new forum. Maybe with the time some return, + people who will be banned if say something wrong in reset.
The funny thing is that naive people in the industry or game media are thinking that people who stayed here are the bad one while in the new forum they will not be attacked. Cant be more wrong.
For me, I like the slow pace. Is the middle ground I was searching before.
The funny thing is that naive people in the industry or game media are thinking that people who stayed here are the bad one while in the new forum they will not be attacked. Cant be more wrong.
For me, I like the slow pace. Is the middle ground I was searching before.
Knockoff? Fail?
The members who defined neogaf are they. There is nothing to crall back to. They are exactly where they want to be. Together.
BibiMaghoo
Member
I think the other place is going to be very successful, but be honest, you could have said this about GAF two weeks ago.
Do you think maybe they should open membership to anyone (i.e. a non-paid e-mail address sign up), or do you think that would open up the boards to too much trolling. I think the opportunity to troll this place has gone down considerably as a lot of the people who loved to be outraged went over to Reset.
Ecto311
Member
Sounds good to me. As an old guy with work and family this place was hard to keep up with.
I hope a lot of people that left are part of the people that would ban me or be offended for saying the most innocuous stuff that just wasn't super left. Even if I was busting someone's balls in a playful way I could expect a couple weeks ban. I wish we had a way of expressing it was meant in a playful way without the dumb /s tag on the end.
I got banned a few weeks ago for the hairy leg model thread. I said I don't enjoy it and my wife understands and never has hairy legs. But she also has issues with my grooming that we both agree need to be taken care of and we both try to be appealing to each other.
Boom ban for "sexist asshole comments" - don't have a discussion or explain just kick me out for 3 weeks.
I really hope this place can back off of the bans and maybe entice other newer people to join because the ultra lefty "fuck you ban" mentality is gone. I have been around here for 10 years and post maybe a few times a week but even then it doesn't help if you are a considerate and helpful person it's that last post that rubbed someone wrong and you out with little to no explanation.
I do have an account over there too and am kinda waiting to see where is safest to be a person and not an echo of the few mods that don't like dissenting comments.
TTOOLL
Member
Yeah man, in old GAF you had to like hairy women, otherwise you're sexist. I mean, I don't care if women have hairy legs or not, it's their business, I just don't wanna be forced to like it or find it attractive.
The same principle could be applied to trans people. If you dared to say you would not date a trans person bye bye, enjoy your ban. Even though you respect them and etc.
Nick Hopewell
Banned
My thought exactly
The majority of threads was like walking on eggshells.
There were far too many white knights on here that would twist any comment and make someone out to be a piece of shit.
How a comment like that can be construed as sexist or against women's rights I don't know. If a woman doesn't want to shave her armpits, legs, and lip hair that's fine, she can do what she want's. I don't find it attractive, and couldn't be with someone that chose to never shave, and it's not because I'm sexist....It's the same principle with weight, if someone wants to weigh 500lbs that's fine too.
But that sort of stuff doesn't surprise me, there was a thread on the new forum where some posters thought that race and gender should be listed on profiles so they can be treated differently, and also so other posters can see if their opinion is valid, e.g a white person shouldn't be allowed to comment on police brutality.
lol
PabloBolivar
Banned
I think it will come back in time. It will be much better if the people who left for another site never come back. It will be good to start fresh with new members and without so much hatred being tossed around by the morality police.
You guys should hold off on believing him... He probably didn't word it well and got caught out. A guy complained of being banned for saying "he didn't like rap music" in a thread and it turns out he said "rap music rapes my ears" in a thread specifically about rap.
If you use your head for a brief moment before hitting the post button to see how your post is going to read out to others, then you will largely avoid being banned or dogpiled. It truly isn't difficult.
Do not get me wrong, there were posts that exaggerated what a post they were responding to said and tried to bait them into a ban, but that is not the vast majority of bans.
WAIT are you referring to the hairy model leg thread that was specifically about people insulting the model and people online saying she should be raped?
If you are talking about THAT thread then, yeah, you probably did deserve to be banned. I skimmed over that thread and do remember reading a couple posts that I knew were going to get called out on. Assuming it is that thread, why would you go into a thread with that topic and start off by saying "you don't like hairy legs"?
Rellik
Member
True, but at least this place is looking to modernise a little. If the sticky is to be believed. It's a shame it took something like this for it to happen, but it only benefits those of us who want to stay here.
Also, I agree with the egg shells comments above. I remember when I was a Junior and I was petrified to give my opinion on a lot of subjects because of the risk of getting a permanent ban for having the opposite opinion to a mod.
Ufc 217 yesterday, one of the best nights in ufc history. Not a single post on it I can see (unless I missed it) yet the other site over 1600 posts.
Like I said in my last post (which was removed without explanation, just disappeared) I dont know what can be done. Perhaps just go full heel and approve all the right reddit / 4chan shitstains and get ur traffic from there as there is no chance the liberal community is coming back.
Like I said in my last post (which was removed without explanation, just disappeared) I dont know what can be done. Perhaps just go full heel and approve all the right reddit / 4chan shitstains and get ur traffic from there as there is no chance the liberal community is coming back.
DKPOWPOW
Member
I've only recently been able to post (feels like a couple months maybe). I registered in January and had eagerly waited for months lol. I had an account way back when Gaming-Age was apart of this forum, but had no idea how to get it back.
We'll see, not sure what the standards are for becoming a member. I usually post if a subject interests me, and when I'm off work cuz I don't like to rush a post. Rather attempt to have a solid post than a drive-by unless it's humorous. 😛
Edit: lol, guess I'm a member now, cool. 😊
STI
Member
Ecto311
Member
I didn't deserve a 3 week ban - maybe a PM explaining where I was dumb or whatever. But my overall comment was that I don't care but I don't prefer it and since it out of the norm I can understand the criticism also I don't understand the utter hate and rape comments either. But no fuckin ban because I made a comment that it doesn't work for me. To me it's akin to banning someone because they are gay - they like certain things and voicing that gets you a ban. I can't help the fact I don't like it as much as a gay person can't change what they like. I never shit on it or disrespected the person just explained my position on it.
This place used to make me want to post hateful right wing dogshit just to spite it because the bans were all over for silly things. I would see people banned and click for past posts and see what they said. Most of the time it was never anything explicitly malicious or hate filled just a differing opinion. Then you had people make light weight differing posts and apologize in the same post in case it would get them a ban or seem insensitive. I really don't like the posts that you have to virtue signal or align with them or be kicked out of the forum all together. It does nothing but drive away people and create an echo chamber of "yay thing" but no discussion in any other direction. I'm not looking for 4chan nuttyness here but I am wanting to be the devil's advocate sometimes to see how it is dealt with or why my opinion is liked or hated.
pwingtothesky
Neo Member
[playful joke]NeoGAF - For The Real People[/playful joke]
edit: just a joke i support all human beings in life
Bahahahahahahahahahahahaha
It is not and was nothing akin to being banned due to being gay... Your comparison to that tells me you don't even understand it at all even after the ban.
You weren't dogpiled and banned because you said you didn't like hairy legs, you were because you went into a thread specifically about a model with hairy legs being insulted and people saying she should be raped and said that. I also don't recall you mentioning all of that in one post, but in subsequent posts explaining yourself after being jumped on. Again a little bit of thought before you posted that, would of saved you from the ban. Like thinking about the context of the thread before posting. Not saying you deserved a 3 week ban though, a warning with explanations to why your posts inconsiderate would of sufficed.
On your last paragraph, I have done the exact things you did, searching for reasons why people were banned. Not everyone was banned for one bad post or "light posts" some people had a history of bad posts, but sometimes you can't see why they were banned by browsing a few posts.
Like I said above though, the majority of those banned, I understood why they were banned.
llien
Member
The first time I have heard about neogaf, was when some insider was leaking information on upcoming xbox. While mods certainly are shaping up content, it wasn't their contribution that I was after, in fact, it didn't matter at all.
I think, at the end of the day, it's a moment of truth for the forum: did majority like it old way, or was rather annoyed with it?
We'll see.
Unjust banhammer never hit me, but your explanation about how things were makes me chuckle.
I recall looking into Banon (breitbard guy) interview thread. First two pages (I didn't bother checking further) were about how ugly looking he was. Most of the users were the self proclaimed progressives I would see dog piling from high moral grounds in other threads.
I certainly won't miss those.
Soleil rouge
Member
In typical oldGAF fashion, a developer was already banned for not completely agreeing with the hivemind, lol. GAF became the laughing stock of the industry because of the old member base. Once the industry realizes that resetera is just a collection of the worst of the worst from the insular outrage culture that plagued GAF, the honeymoon will be over.
TTOOLL
Member
That would be Blam up thread. Already been debunked by a poster here. He was actually banned for leaking code.
Nick Hopewell
Banned
Lmao
GeekyDad
Member
I guess, really, I (we all perhaps) should be glad GAF is still here and functioning. Got to be honest and say that I was hit hard by this whole ruckus. I don't keep up with a lot of this stuff, so I didn't know anything about it until the site was back online and that flood of ridiculous posts came pouring in. This site has been my home base for quite a few years now, but I spend most of my time reading about or commenting on games. So, a lot of that stuff goes right past me.
It's a bit disheartening to see all that bustling energy gone, but at the same time -- as others are saying -- it's probably a good thing. A cleansing was probably a good thing for those of us who don't simply troll topics or try to find ways to stealth-troll topics and other members.
It's a bit disheartening to see all that bustling energy gone, but at the same time -- as others are saying -- it's probably a good thing. A cleansing was probably a good thing for those of us who don't simply troll topics or try to find ways to stealth-troll topics and other members.
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
Repeating a lie doesn't make it true lol
There were plenty of unjust bans that I witnessed and the way I explained things is pretty accurate. My entire point is this website, while had its flaws in bans and posters, they were in the minority. Also plenty of people like the one above I spoke to, who don't understand what they did wrong and I can agree that ban was heavy-handed, but there was reason for most of the bans I seen.
I dislike Bannon, I likely would not bother watching an interview with him in it. Yes there were plenty of 1 liner posts that was just insulting the person the thread was about and I also disagree with that, but acting like that was all of GAF is an exaggeration. I wouldn't bother defending someone like Bannon though, that guy isn't worth it lol.
Just an FYI on what you said to the other guy. The active posters which made people people come on this website, which in turn bought insiders here and and even more people, there is no understating that majority of those that made GAF, GAF have left.
Johnny Cage In The Shower
Member
Honestly, I am a bit excited to see where this place ends up in a few months. (Give or take six months).
As far as the other place goes though, feels exactly like old GAF. "Business as usual" would be the best way to describe it. Add to that even more stricter and "hands on" moderation. It already feels stale. As mentioned, once the honeymoon phase is over, which almost is: that place is just same ol' vocal folk doing their same ol posting, (read screaming) minus the greater numbers that this place had.
Ironically, I feel like this old place has a better chance at being something new and different, than that "new" and "different" place. But this all depends on how Tyler decides to conduct his business and run this community... if he's willing to take some risks and even let some more reliable and talented people run the show here and even try to change the overall stale image of the average "GAF"er etc. Here's hoping things will be good here in a few months time. Call me naive for being optimistic.
As far as the other place goes though, feels exactly like old GAF. "Business as usual" would be the best way to describe it. Add to that even more stricter and "hands on" moderation. It already feels stale. As mentioned, once the honeymoon phase is over, which almost is: that place is just same ol' vocal folk doing their same ol posting, (read screaming) minus the greater numbers that this place had.
Ironically, I feel like this old place has a better chance at being something new and different, than that "new" and "different" place. But this all depends on how Tyler decides to conduct his business and run this community... if he's willing to take some risks and even let some more reliable and talented people run the show here and even try to change the overall stale image of the average "GAF"er etc. Here's hoping things will be good here in a few months time. Call me naive for being optimistic.
It just seems you are making generalizations about both Gaf and ResetEra.
Yeah, spoken like a guy that don't know what they're talking about.
1. The moderation is less strict, I know because I am on that website and is more transparent as well.
2. It is not "just the same ol' vocal folk" either, there are plenty of people who have not registered on GAF on there.
The future of this website worries me in that most of the active base already left... they are the ones that bought people into GAF. Maybe others will take their place, but who knows and who knows if I will like those that do since Evilore will have no choice but to lower registration requirements as the activity is a fraction of what it once was.
He is.
Super Mario
Banned
In most cases, I would be inclined to agree at the last part. I'm not so sure it applies here. GAF had a specific reputation before the whole scandal. That kept a lot of people away, and will continue to keep them away, no matter how much GAF "modernizes". Now it's loyal base feels betrayed and split. They aren't coming back because the hive mind taught them to never stray from the hive. Who is left? New members who stumble across this site? Where is the draw for new people to come here?
That is why you don't alienate half of your users and create a culture of leftist social justice warriors. I honestly couldn't think of another forum that could go through the same situation and face the fallout of the same magnitude.
Fukin' A
llien
Member
There are important details in it, worth mentioning.
First, when you ban someone, people get more cautious and might even not post at all.
Second, it is very wrong, when banned user doesn't get what he/she was banned for.
It was a thread about his interview. I'd expect it to contain reasonable discussion about his argument and why it is wrong. Instead, it turned into what it turned (I doubt it recovered on later pages)
I am not saying all discussions were like that, certainly not all, but still a lot of threads I checked were filled with "I am so very very enraged" followed by "yeah, I am even more enrage" comments.
When coming across something I couldn't grasp, I was asking questions. Most of the time it appeared like most active proponents of <whatever> couldn't answer them. That's not very progressive, to be honest.
I don't think the people I mentioned were active posters at all.
Insider information isn't something you post on daily bases.
Too bad if they left for good.
You mean the thread about the model who was getting rape threats for having hairy legs?
In a thread like that where it was more for the actual news, rather than your preferences, your opinion that sides with the aggressors isnt going to do you any favors
Soleil rouge
Member
Which developer are you guys thinking about? Was there another one besides Dyack who was recently banned?
-Minsc-
Member
I feel the other place will be around for quite a few years as it offers something for a certain crowd. Though it may get a name change. Whether or not it'll grow remains to be seen. Anything can happen as new people are formally in charge.
Over there has the numbers, which should help them go for at least five years. No guarantee mind you. Here, I'm not really sure what could be done for the long term. I know I'm not planning to be a heavy poster, neither am I planning to be over there. In the now though, I find it interesting to be here. The wait and see time, fun fun.
The thread was specifically about a model that decided to make a statement by showing hairy legs. There were a lot of us that said that being threatened with rape and insulted was disgusting, but we just werent into the whole hairy leg thing. In my case its just not attractive to me. I think its perfectly ok to have that opinion. I somehow avoided the banhammer, but thats probably because I made it specific and very apparent that I was against the threats and insults. I still nervously logged in wondering if I had been banned for a while.
Some people were banned for having the same thoughts I did but didnt explain themselves right away. That kind of fear can easily earn you a ban for simply not wording your thoughts in the specific manner the mods wanted. Certain mods got off on that.
I think the only mods I found approachable and could talk about whether to post something or not were Cyan and ThoseDeafMutes. Duckroll was pretty good too but Besada was basically the new bishoptl
Astral Dog
Member
I been noticing a trend, people who call themselves liberal/progressive/Feminist on Internet Real life or whatever but are in in fact hiding some very nasty stuff,sexist, abusive, etc.
Not talking about anyone specifically ( that wasn't arrested/catched)that just means you can't really trust anyone i call it the reserve conservative.
Not talking about anyone specifically ( that wasn't arrested/catched)that just means you can't really trust anyone i call it the reserve conservative.
JetSetRadio
Banned
I love the warrior posts in gaming, especially from the xbawks lads that have been shat on for years.
Cliffyb was banned a while back for some stupid shit. The ban was lifted and he was told he could come back but Cliffy basically gave GAF the middle finger and swore to never come back.
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