kunonabi
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I don't know who this guy is, but I had a similar conversation today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ8ir66M5XU
This is so much better than the American ET.
I don't know who this guy is, but I had a similar conversation today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ8ir66M5XU
Despite the film's issues, of which there are many, there were still elements that resonated with me that I just love going back to it.
I enjoyed the angle they took with Anakin's development. Even looking outside of the stuff with his mother there are some smaller beats that connect with OT Vader in ways that I thought worked very well. McDiarmid continued to kill it as Palpatine and I enjoyed his scheming and the seeds of him manipulating Anakin. It wasn't super overt which I thought was the right idea.
Obi-Wan's detective story was great. Yoda and the younglings, Kamino, Jango being an actual badass unlike his son, the whole thing just worked.
Anakin's side of things was rougher due to the dialogue but I thought Hayden's physical presence and acting is a bit underrated and there were some touching moments with Watto and Shmi that I appreciated. I'm also fairly easy to please when it comes to love stories so I had no trouble getting invested in the Padme/Anakin stuff despite some of the dialogue.
William's work on the score was absolutely incredible and the sound design had some excellent moments particularly the seismic charges during the asteroid chase.
The action sequences were all really exciting and different outside of the droid factory sequence and the lightsaber duels at the end.
Lucas obviously isn't that great a director but there are some beautiful moments and I liked the camera work during the big battle on Geonosis. I thought that segment did a better job of being a "war movie" than Rogue One did personally.
I'm a huge Christopher Lee fan so him having a role in SW film is always going to be a plus.
I also much preferred how Lucas approached subverting expectations. The clones being tools of the republic instead of this outside threat and positioning Anakin close to what you would expect out of Luke's father instead of what people were expecting from a young Vader. Seeing the parallels in their personalities and situations and how Anakin couldn't overcome them like Luke did was the right idea as far as I'm concerned. They aren't mirror images of course but I find the way the film starts to paint the Jedi as being partially responsible for Anakin's fall and how they almost repeated the same mistakes with Luke to be far more effective than TLJ subverting expectations merely for the sake of being divisive.
There are plenty of things about the movie that I would love to change but I really enjoyed what it went for and the new worlds, situations and the context it provided. I was just at point in my life where it really connected with me personally and when it comes to SW that's really all I ask for.
It's a messy movie to be sure, although not rogue one messy, but outside of some of the humor it just really fits my own sensibilities. I totally get everyone else not liking it though.
The Force Awakens left you wanting more with questions. The last Jedi could literally be the end of a trilogy because it didn't leave me wondering... anything really.
Random question: Reys force vision of kylo in the force awakens? Is this just forgot about or did I miss something?
So happy JJ is coming back to finish this trilogy.
In all seriousness what exactly are we looking forward to in the next episode there was nothing left that was open to look forward to...?
It's weak, but Snoke did actually put Ren in position to do just that. He stated as much explicitly. By bringing Rey in and giving Kylo the opportunity to kill her, thus "completing his training."
The characterization of Luke and ending pissed me off. Why did Mark Hamill agree to that?
The generalized consensus seems to be Star Wars aficionados hate it and everyone else thinks its a really good/cool/fun movie. Sounds about right.
The generalized consensus seems to be Star Wars aficionados hate it and everyone else thinks its a really good/cool/fun movie. Sounds about right.
I think this comes from the hardcore fans having all kinds of expectations that didn't get fulfilled... Whereas the casuals were able to view it from a fresh perspective...
Where do you get that from? I know it is anecdotal but most SW fans I know loved it. Reacctions in the theatre seemed really positive too and you'd think those going 7 in the morning could be considered aficionados.
I went to see it at 1:30 am. I'm not an aficionado. I loved it however.
Where do I get that from? Looking through this thread which seems to be full of aficianados and some articles I read.
I rather think the aficianados (I consider myself one) are divided, but that the people who hate it are a bit louder in expressing that hate. I mean when people are putting it below Ewok movies and Clone Wars, you know what is going on.
I don't know who this guy is, but I had a similar conversation today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ8ir66M5XU
The generalized consensus seems to be Star Wars aficionados hate it and everyone else thinks its a really good/cool/fun movie. Sounds about right.
This is a strawman being thrown around to discredit people who didn't like the movie. Just lump them together as "Star Wars aficionados" or whatever and suddenly we can dismiss their criticism as coming from a fanboy perspective that just wanted the movie to fit into whatever mold they were expecting.
I mean, most of the problems I had with it would have been issues in any film. A movie that is too long, has a poorly done subplot, and generally dumb decisions is going to be bad whether it's a Star Wars film or not.
I'm not an 'aficionado' nor am I invested in the lore, so I don't really care about the story revelations going one way or the other.
I thought it was thoroughly average, boring, and generally not special in any way.
I rather think the aficianados (I consider myself one) are divided, but that the people who hate it are a bit louder in expressing that hate. I mean when people are putting it below Ewok movies and Clone Wars, you know what is going on.
Even if you view this film as a movie unto itself, its just a bad movie overall. Nothing truly memorable or iconic as a film, poorly paced, poorly written with internal inconsistencies and frankly not something that I for one will see again unless the 3rd salvages the overall story.
Labelling it as an issue with 'fans' is just a lazy way to salvage some dignity for the film.
Except I wasn't labelling it as an issue with fans...considering I literally said the fans were divided.
What I do want to know is if the movie is so objectively bad, why is it getting such good reviews? Is it really Disney paying all those critics? And I am not talking some Youtubers, but rather those of newspapers and sites etc.
This is a strawman being thrown around to discredit people who didn't like the movie. Just lump them together as "Star Wars aficionados" or whatever and suddenly we can dismiss their criticism as coming from a fanboy perspective that just wanted the movie to fit into whatever mold they were expecting.
I mean, most of the problems I had with it would have been issues in any film. A movie that is too long, has a poorly done subplot, and generally dumb decisions is going to be bad whether it's a Star Wars film or not.
I didn't really have any theories or expectations, I knew it wasn't going to go the way I thought it was, pun intended but there's just so many bad stuff that stands out.I think this comes from the hardcore fans having all kinds of expectations that didn't get fulfilled... Whereas the casuals were able to view it from a fresh perspective...
People said the same thing about Ghostbusters 2016 when ever someone said any negative about it and that film was frigging terrible.
I didn't really have any theories or expectations, I knew it wasn't going to go the way I thought it was, pun intended but there's just so many bad stuff that stands out.
Which was laughable while people are saying it's good.
And Lukes legacy should have been emotional but was more "WTF Really"
People said the same thing about Ghostbusters 2016 when ever someone said any negative about it and that film was frigging terrible.
same applies here.
The generalized consensus seems to be Star Wars aficionados hate it and everyone else thinks its a really good/cool/fun movie. Sounds about right.
The characterization of Luke and ending pissed me off. Why did Mark Hamill agree to that?
This movie felt like it was going back in time with its technology.
Act 1: WW2 bombing run Dambusters style
Act 2: One sailing vessel chasing another, both unable to escape or close in
Act 3: Medieval siege with a battering ram being wheeled up to bring down the gate
If you told me the Wayans directed Lukes scenes Id believe you.I watched it, i think i did. Because it all felt like fucking nothing.
There is breaking away from tradition and there is terrible directing from rian.
Luke milking the cow, drinking the milk and gave that fuck you rian look. Someone need to screencap that face.
I've seen people say the same about Jedi.People said alot of dumb shit about that film(like anyone who dislikes it was a sexist) so I wouldn't really give any credence to anything anyone said about it other than it's hot garbage...
In 10 years time this movie will be universally regarded as one of the worst sequels of all time. And one that destroyed one of the most popular franchises of all time. Come at me.
Heres a good review, there is a lot of hate for this movie is a bit too much. it is a good movie.
https://youtu.be/1vdl4pAtno4
In 10 years time this movie will be universally regarded as one of the worst sequels of all time. And one that destroyed one of the most popular franchises of all time. Come at me.
I think this comes from movie fans having all kinds of expectations that didn't get fulfilled, like continuing with the themes and story from the first movies... Whereas movie watchers who turn their brains off for spectacles were able to view it from a fresh perspective...