Some suspect Finn or Poe have Jedi powers? wtf... some people only set themselves up for disappointment...
Sorry, but the entire cast is NOT going to suddenly become a team of Jedi warriors... ground your expectations...
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Sorry, but the entire cast is NOT going to suddenly become a team of Jedi warriors... ground your expectations...
RipperGrim
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Ididn't really pay that much attention at the end but did the boy with the broom use the force to pull it to him? He held out his hand and the broom fell into it.
She's had about as much training as Luke has, people forget that he became an ace star fighter pilot when he'd just been just been a farm boy who had never left his home.
She's had about as much training as Luke has, people forget that he became an ace star fighter pilot when he'd just been just been a farm boy who had never left his home.
lifa-cobex
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He forced pulled it.
The whole training thing has become a bit of a grey area for me.
Your right in that Luke didn't exactly have much training time as well.
However the things to consider (that throw it up for debate) is Luke was the son of Vader (aka the "chosen" one). So strong with the force.
Luke was deemed to have natural talent. (probably due to his father).
Luke was trained by two Jedi masters who were preparing for years to train this kid as a last ditch attempt.
Luke also started his training on a "force sensitive" planet. The only time we see Luke use the force before this is on Hoth (or technically Ben telling him how to destroy the death star) . He seemed to really struggle pulling a lightsaber to his hand which wasn't to far away.
But a thing that really splits Luke and Rey apart is that Luke WANTED to learn the force. He put effort into his training.
I think the reason for this debate has actually come from the prequels.
It portrayed Jedi being trained from a very young age. I think this gave everyone (including myself) the idea that it takes a very long time and a great deal of effort to become a master.
As we go into episode four, Ben Kenobi only demonstrates a few force ability's (i.e the mind trick).
Each trilogy has kinda portrayed a different level of standards for learning and using the force.
Hissing Sid
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Wasn’t it established beforehand that Luke used his T16 to race the desert canyons and bullseye wamp rats while living on the farm for years? So he already knew how to pilot a ship and shoot things prior to the Death Star run. Before he was trained the force simply gave him a slight edge, heightened his instincts.
I mean, spirit Ben even had to coach him through his torpedo shot.
A better comparison would be if Luke proceeded to kick Bens arse in a duel after first being given his fathers lightsaber.
Oh yeah but that didn’t happen.... cos it’s obviously stupid. Maybe stupid shit was just more obvious in the 70’s/80’s so they were able to avoid it more easily.
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
No not at all, Luke had previous flight experience remember Luke and Wedge wanted to join the rebellion and did training on their home planet to be prepared but everything else he was a Noob, he was unexperienced in TESB
Spent days with Yoda and left way too early and it cost him his hand
He then returned to Yoda after TESB to finish his training to become who he was in ROTJ.
so it actually took Luke 3 movies that span over years and months to reach Reys 4 days as a Jedi.
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RipperGrim
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Thanks for the clarification on the kid, I looked away when he did it and only caught the end bit where he got the broom in his hand. If he is a bigger character I hope he gets better with the acting.
I agree would this, the prequels really took away the spiritualism away from the force and made it a thing you need to learn like sword fighting or playing a guitar, where the rest of the movies really make it a way more personal thing that can only come through self realization and acceptance of the force and how it works. Last Jedi went all in on this specifically by destroying the "sacred texts". Rey discovers the force by just realising it's there, that there are things she can manipulate.
He flew through a gauntlet that other experienced pilots failed that and we have to now assume that vehicles are the same in terms of control? Luke used the force to help him and that has always been how it's worked, he's the chosen who's plucked out of a medicore life to save the rebellion because he has the force with him. It's the same with Rey, she's attuned to the force and has a strong connection with it obviously. Honestly all criticism I've seen towards Rey can easily be put onto Luke as well
Luke didn't get more training, Yoda just tells him he must confront Vader and that's it. He's one with the force and as far as I'm aware it's equivalent of neo accepting that he's the one and that's how I've always viewed the force and thought how everyone else viewed it until Rey did the same shit and everyone suddenly had issues.
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Hissing Sid
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Eh? Luke could barely force-pull a lightsaber out of the snow years after finding out he could use the force. This is a guy who is the son of one of the most powerful force users of all time.
Rey on the other hand is running around fighting and beating trained force users in lightsaber duels, putting Jedi Masters on their arses and moving mountains of rock after just a few days.
Oh and she’s apparently a nobody.
But yeah, they’re just the same.
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Luke was with Yoda training for days until he foresaw his Friends getting hurt and that they needed him, Yoda didn't say go and beat Darth Vader he said he will have to face him and Yoda warned him that he was not ready and he needed to finish his training even if the lives of his friends was at risk, Luke ignored Yoda and went anyway promising to return to finish his Training and ended up Facing Vader, losing his hand and Han was imprisoned in carbon.
Everything Yoda warned him about happened, He wasn't ready and paid the Price
he later returned after to finish his training and became a master Jedi in ROTJ which was along time after TESB.
Have you even seen the original Trilogy?
Luke takes 3 fucking films to Reach the Jedi Mastery of the the little slave boy let alone Rey, he struggled to use the Force to lift a small rock and R2D2
how is that anything like Rey? When she is Force Grabing, Jedi Mind tricking and lifting an avalanche of boulders on her first try
It's the complete opposite.
Rey used the Force on her own without any information let alone training she went to Luke to get Help and did a single Lesson in the Force where she completely gave herself to dark side with hesitation , beat Luke in Hand to Hand combat and left to face Kylo and Snoke.
And what's with Rey now translating for Chewie because Luke suddenly don't understand him.?
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Yoda was dying when Luke returned. There wasn't any real training for him to do. Yoda made it clear in TESB that being able to use the force was more about believing in yourself than any kind of training, "Do or Do not. There is no try." Rey as a character has had to rely on her self her whole life. Thats why she can do the things she does. Even the picking up the rocks at the end of TLJ, she pauses for a split second and then she believes she can do it and she does.
Its why she could beat Kylo, he doesn't believe in himself. Even Snoke talks about how Kylo was not living up to his potential because of his lack of will or belief in himself. Its the whole of his character progression through both films so far. He keeps looking for outside things to cement his strength. from killing his dad to failing to kill his mom. Both were done to prove to himself that he was strong enough. Not that either one worked.
WaterAstro
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I have no problem with Rey being a prodigy. I'm waiting for the reason for it. Hopefully they don't mess it up.
In some ways, Anakin was a prodigy. I think if he was grew up without training, and he learned powers after being subject to it, he'd do the same. That's what I think.
In some ways, Anakin was a prodigy. I think if he was grew up without training, and he learned powers after being subject to it, he'd do the same. That's what I think.
Malmorian
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Rant time.
1- The prequels showed us a mass of Jedi Masters. Masters.
They were in power, had incredible numbers and a home base on the most populous (popular?) planet in the core. Anyone force sensitive was brought here and trained immediately. As a result, no doubt the lightsaber fights *should* be more fantastic. Vader was a 1/2 robot and Luke didn't know what he was doing, so big, aggressive swings makes sense...but it would have been boring to watch that when the movies came out. Flippin' and jumpin' and twirling was exciting. Looked operatic almost, just really graceful.
TLJ showed none of this imho. Telling me that Kylo and Ren are the light/dark side superpowers...ok? HOW. I personally didn't see them do anything i've never seen before aside from TFA when Kylo stopped the laser blast. That..that was badass. I've seen jumping and pushing and lightning, and i guess i wanted more. It feels like they are trying to set them up as crazy strong but i don't feel like they deliver in any way. Yeah they fought the Praetorian Guard and that was cool and all
2- R1, while a stand alone, had much more gravitas to the plot, and introduced the audience to expendable rebel characters. Things are more serious if you think that anyone could die so there was real tension. After watching SW for years I expect pilots to die, and heroes to live. I felt none of this with TLJ. No one was in danger, everyone lived and killed all the bad guys with no harm. Super cannon killed no one, and the AT-AT's didn't shoot Finn or Rose. Meh.
Also, neither Kylo or Rey used any kind of force powers during their big fight. People might argue that Rey was untrained. Ok, so she's excused. What about Kylo? He's been trained, not only by Luke but by Snoke as well. After seeing Vader in R1 I was really excepting much more badassery from Disney. Crush, lift, push...anything really would have been beautiful to see. Lemme see steroid version of what i've seen. Please.
Lastly, since the Supreme Leader had just been killed...send the rest of the guards as fodder. Let the good times roll.
3- *Sigh* Ok I won't mention the casino scene again for numerous reasons, all of which have already been mentioned here already so I won't bother repeating it. Let's go to Hux and Phasma.
In TFA, Hux was a young, crazy space nazi. And I ate it up.
He had passion, exerted confidence and stature..I could believe that he was in charge. Despite that Imperial officers have traditionally been older, English actors, he had charisma. He never personally failed, he simply issued orders. So..he was a prodigy? The son of Tarkin maybe? Hopefully i'll find out the mystery of this dude.
TLJ? Who the F$CK is this guy?! I admittedly laughed the first time i saw it, mainly because of how ridiculous the entire scene was. This guy is in charge of the First Order? Why? Someone has to point out to him that Poe is f*cking with him? Only the Dreadnaught captain (? commander maybe?) had the slightest clue of what was going on. So why is Hux in charge? We know nothing about him at all, hence I can't relate to him at all. Every other senior Imperial officer in the movies die quite quickly so we don't need to know much about them. Shows up, screws up, and gets force choked dead. Simple. So Hux feels like a hollow villain because he's done nothing but scream at the camera and fail at...everything. I think a corporal could do a better job.
*Tywin Lannister, Roose Bolton and Stannis Baratheon would have made *excellent* officers, and Disney really dropped the ball in my opinion but not casting them. You think rebel scum would have survived for longer than 20 minutes if any of these guys had a Star Destroyer and a battalion of Tie Fighters?
Phasma. Hoooboy.
I wanted to like Phasma, I really did. Brienne was playing her, and I thought for sure that we were into some bad ass shit. She's the commander, right? Chrome armor and all. She looks formidable.
While her role in TFA was minimal, and I feel her character was done a huge disservice at the expense of making a trash compactor joke. All she did was tell her troopers to shoot, and get captured, spill all the beans and get tossed.
TLJ. Man, I was waiting for this. Phasma was going to lead a bunch of death troopers into battle, killing a shitload of rebels single-handedly, proving that she was an OG killer that liked to stomp rebels. Akimbo blasters, her personal bodyguard tearing shit up. Show me her leading troops into some crazy shit and prove what a great leader of her men she is. Or...they picked the tallest trooper to be the boss. What a complete and utter waste. If they bring her back it will be a complete sham to an already lackluster villain.
In the end I felt like Disney didn't have a strong direction in the films. It feels very "shoot from the hip" and that doesn't lend well to a legendary series such as this.
1- The prequels showed us a mass of Jedi Masters. Masters.
They were in power, had incredible numbers and a home base on the most populous (popular?) planet in the core. Anyone force sensitive was brought here and trained immediately. As a result, no doubt the lightsaber fights *should* be more fantastic. Vader was a 1/2 robot and Luke didn't know what he was doing, so big, aggressive swings makes sense...but it would have been boring to watch that when the movies came out. Flippin' and jumpin' and twirling was exciting. Looked operatic almost, just really graceful.
TLJ showed none of this imho. Telling me that Kylo and Ren are the light/dark side superpowers...ok? HOW. I personally didn't see them do anything i've never seen before aside from TFA when Kylo stopped the laser blast. That..that was badass. I've seen jumping and pushing and lightning, and i guess i wanted more. It feels like they are trying to set them up as crazy strong but i don't feel like they deliver in any way. Yeah they fought the Praetorian Guard and that was cool and all
2- R1, while a stand alone, had much more gravitas to the plot, and introduced the audience to expendable rebel characters. Things are more serious if you think that anyone could die so there was real tension. After watching SW for years I expect pilots to die, and heroes to live. I felt none of this with TLJ. No one was in danger, everyone lived and killed all the bad guys with no harm. Super cannon killed no one, and the AT-AT's didn't shoot Finn or Rose. Meh.
Also, neither Kylo or Rey used any kind of force powers during their big fight. People might argue that Rey was untrained. Ok, so she's excused. What about Kylo? He's been trained, not only by Luke but by Snoke as well. After seeing Vader in R1 I was really excepting much more badassery from Disney. Crush, lift, push...anything really would have been beautiful to see. Lemme see steroid version of what i've seen. Please.
Lastly, since the Supreme Leader had just been killed...send the rest of the guards as fodder. Let the good times roll.
3- *Sigh* Ok I won't mention the casino scene again for numerous reasons, all of which have already been mentioned here already so I won't bother repeating it. Let's go to Hux and Phasma.
In TFA, Hux was a young, crazy space nazi. And I ate it up.
He had passion, exerted confidence and stature..I could believe that he was in charge. Despite that Imperial officers have traditionally been older, English actors, he had charisma. He never personally failed, he simply issued orders. So..he was a prodigy? The son of Tarkin maybe? Hopefully i'll find out the mystery of this dude.
TLJ? Who the F$CK is this guy?! I admittedly laughed the first time i saw it, mainly because of how ridiculous the entire scene was. This guy is in charge of the First Order? Why? Someone has to point out to him that Poe is f*cking with him? Only the Dreadnaught captain (? commander maybe?) had the slightest clue of what was going on. So why is Hux in charge? We know nothing about him at all, hence I can't relate to him at all. Every other senior Imperial officer in the movies die quite quickly so we don't need to know much about them. Shows up, screws up, and gets force choked dead. Simple. So Hux feels like a hollow villain because he's done nothing but scream at the camera and fail at...everything. I think a corporal could do a better job.
*Tywin Lannister, Roose Bolton and Stannis Baratheon would have made *excellent* officers, and Disney really dropped the ball in my opinion but not casting them. You think rebel scum would have survived for longer than 20 minutes if any of these guys had a Star Destroyer and a battalion of Tie Fighters?
Phasma. Hoooboy.
I wanted to like Phasma, I really did. Brienne was playing her, and I thought for sure that we were into some bad ass shit. She's the commander, right? Chrome armor and all. She looks formidable.
While her role in TFA was minimal, and I feel her character was done a huge disservice at the expense of making a trash compactor joke. All she did was tell her troopers to shoot, and get captured, spill all the beans and get tossed.
TLJ. Man, I was waiting for this. Phasma was going to lead a bunch of death troopers into battle, killing a shitload of rebels single-handedly, proving that she was an OG killer that liked to stomp rebels. Akimbo blasters, her personal bodyguard tearing shit up. Show me her leading troops into some crazy shit and prove what a great leader of her men she is. Or...they picked the tallest trooper to be the boss. What a complete and utter waste. If they bring her back it will be a complete sham to an already lackluster villain.
In the end I felt like Disney didn't have a strong direction in the films. It feels very "shoot from the hip" and that doesn't lend well to a legendary series such as this.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Yoda died in ROTJ and Luke was already a Jedi Master by then Luke retuning then wasn't the first time he had returned since TESB lol
TIME had passed Yoda got worse and Luke had finished his training.
I get what you are saying but Rey shows the same lack of understanding as Luke did "Moving Rocks and Controlling people" "I can feel the Force" with her hand held out while Luke is taking the piss.
If she doesn't understand the Force how can she use it?
That's the first thing Luke had to learn to even lift anything but she doesn't despite being very capable.
It's contradictory.
She is more intuned to force then Anakin and that's all that needs to be said.
It doesn't make a lick of sense because they haven't explained it
And the reason is "because"
Hissing Sid
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The main protagonist could be a polar bear for all I care, as long as they earn their stripes and play by the established rules.
That hasn’t happened with the new films.
Rey is obviously the bosses BFF who’s been parachuted straight in at the top, and that’s unfortunate because it immediately damages her as a relatable character.
That hasn’t happened with the new films.
Rey is obviously the bosses BFF who’s been parachuted straight in at the top, and that’s unfortunate because it immediately damages her as a relatable character.
For me, Rey's character equates to bad story telling. There is no character progression whatsoever. Nothing significant ever challenges her and she has no struggles, so I can't tell what the character is growing into. As a counter example, look at Luke's character progression in the original trilogy. He distinctly changes across the movies in response to the challenges he faces and maturing to meet those challenges. Basic story telling that is just lost in the new trilogy. Because of that, I have a hard time attaching to or caring about any of the new characters and, unfortunately, the characters from the OT that I do care about are dead. It's going to be interesting to see where they go with the third movie.
How do you know she cant simply... fight? A weapon is a weapon. Didnt she carry around a staff?
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
A staff and a Lightsaber are two different things, even a Lightsaber user would have to train to use a Staff lightsaber like Darthmaul.
But still she is going against trained veterans in their field and still beating them.
The supreme leader guards are understandable for Kylo but she's bested both Kylo, Luke and them.
There's only so much you can give a free pass to.
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pramod
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For me the bigger problem with Rey isn't the Mary Sue aspect, I mean she could just be blessed with midichlorians or whatever just like Anakin, but my problem with her is that I don't really understand what motivates her.
I mean I thought the whole thing that drove her is that she thought her parents were Jedis or some special people and that she was meant to do something really important...like save the galaxy or something. But now that she knows her parents were nobodies, what motivates her? She grew up alone in a shitty existence with no one showing her any kindness, why would we expect her to want to become a savior of the galaxy? Why would she want to join the rebels? Why is she one of the good guys?
I mean I thought the whole thing that drove her is that she thought her parents were Jedis or some special people and that she was meant to do something really important...like save the galaxy or something. But now that she knows her parents were nobodies, what motivates her? She grew up alone in a shitty existence with no one showing her any kindness, why would we expect her to want to become a savior of the galaxy? Why would she want to join the rebels? Why is she one of the good guys?
Well, in TFA alll she wants to do is return back to ehr planet to wait for her parents. She actually doesn't care if they're important people or not, she's just hoping they'll return for her again. I don't get why people think she cares about who they really are, she just wants them back. Where is it mentioned that she thinks they're famous or anything of the sort?
I'm not sure anymore (haven't bothered to watch it since i saw it in the theaters) on why she joins the good guys and goes out to find Luke for the rebels, but since i dont remember being bothered by that, I'm sure she has good motivation that someone here can explain why she's a rebel now.
I posted this earlier, but much of the problem with Rey is that she's a completely out-of-place character. She's basically a protagonist dropped in a random location, waiting for the plot to start. As an entire character she makes no sense; she merely exists to execute the plot and a few characterizaton beats. This is why she's a bad character and why people keep complaining about her. Mary Sue or not, you wouldn't her so many complaints about her if she actually blended into setting. Everyone likes Luke because he does blend into the world as a character and is overall believable, while Rey is just kinda there.
woodtock
Banned
I really hope Kylo Ren is lying to her. Rian Johnson really wanted to retconned what J. J. Abrams did in the force awakens. Remember those flashbacks with Rey and the Knights Of Ren? Where are those guys by the way?
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andythinkpad
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It doesn't make sense either way. E.7 shows Rey remembers her parents leaving her when she was 5? 6? year old. Why wouldn't she remember what her parents look like? Also I have problem with this phrase "they are nobody". Why would any child/person call their parents nobody? Even if they are bakers or farmers they are still bakers and farmers. It's not fucking easy to raise a child from an infant to 6 year old. I became a father just 2 months ago. Raising a baby is literally a full time job. Every day when I get home from work I am doing a second job of feeding/changing diapers/get him back to sleep. I have to do this just so my wife can catch some sleep. Whoever give birth to you and raise you to 6 year old are still the most important people to your life. They are not fucking "nobody". Who write dialogue like that? Probably someone who has never had a child.
It makes no sense that Rey believe in whatever Ren tells her about her parents unless she believe in it already. If you keeping the idea that Rey's parents are not anybody in the Star Wars movies you kind of make E7's whole parental foreshadowing plot stupid; or you recon it and say Rey's parents are Jedi and it automatically makes E8 stupid, because Rey shouldn't and wouldn't believe it what Ren tell her. You see, these two movies actively contradict with each other.
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What if she's simply "chosen"? She didn't choose the force or to follow that path, but the Force chose her... probably in the moment where she first exibited force powers. (What if the force is conscious and is a character pulling strings in the background...) She wanted to reunite with her parents, it was her only motivation... but after the Force chose her it made her wonder if her Parents are the reason for that connection, and that was why she jumped towards the rebels and ultimately Luke, and ultimately Kylo-Ren. The Force was just a clue about her past that she had to follow. I haven't seen TFA since release, so I'm fuzzy... but what if she is just some "Force puppet"?
Ok... I'll stop now... lol I'm sure I'm getting silly.
TheGraykid
Member
I feel like you're close, but slightly miss the intention of this character. She is like a person dropped into this universe from no where, and that's her entire complex, that's why she's interesting. She's a person searching for meaning, a reason why she's here and an understanding of her place in this grand conflict. Rey tries to find that in her parents and in Luke over the course of these films, but is rebuked. Her parents are nobodies and Luke is not her wise mentor that'll show her the way. She's a character who slowly is forced to learn how to trust herself, and that her place in the universe isn't something that'll be given to her, it's something she has to forge for her own. Kylo has a similar arc across the movies.
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You sound like a good parent. I think the point of the story is that Rey's parents weren't. They abandoned her at 6. Whether Kylo was right and they sold her for drugs, or they just left her. I've talked to people that had bad parents. Most don't remember very much before the age of 6 or even older, even read a story of a guy that couldn't recall anything before the age of 9. So her not remembering her parents isn't that out of the norm for a child that was abandoned.
Fnord
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Had that "one white guy" followed orders in the opening scene, there wouldn't have been anyone left to issue orders after the opening scene.
Fnord
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Luke had training from Yoda. And still got his ass handed to him by Vader in their first encounter. Then he got more training.
As for the flying skills, he established that he was a pilot on Tatooine. In a ship designed and built by the same company that built X-Wings.
Nicktendo86
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I keep seeing articles on my Google feed of 'Rian Johnson has explained this or justified that'. When the director has to constantly explain or justify things that is usually a sign that the movie was not very good.
andythinkpad
Member
If force is totally different animal in the new trilogy and randomly choose childrens (completely random) then both the empire and the resistance would have large army of scouts seeking these naturally talents children. You see, the world would actually react to these game breaking rule changes.
This is also the selection process of Dalai Lama. You should read up on how people do it IRL.
andythinkpad
Member
But why would she waiting for her parents in E.7? Why would her parentage even part of the story?
Again, we come back to the basic script writing problems of setting up things that has no play off.
Because they are her parents. My wife had a bad parent. Her mother was narsacistic and abusive. She kept going back to her mother wanting approval, until she got the therapy help she needed and accepted that her mother was the one at fault. A child, even as an adult seeks a parent's approval. This is especially true of parents who were not accepting or approving of the child.
Is it that much of a change in the force. we see this in the prequels. the story of Anikan shows this exact process. The Jedi were searching before the prequels. After ANH we don't see the search. I doubt the rebels have the resources to do the search. I don't know if the FO is interested in the search, especially knowing that the rebels don't have the ability to do the search.
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kunonabi
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Luke's piloting skills are overblown. He made one shot that required a ton of assistance in ANH along with a kill or two then got shot down during the Hoth battle. Hell, he couldn't even land his X-Wing when he went to Dagobah. Meanwhile, Rey is able to pilot and repair an even older Falcon better than Han or Chewie ever could on her first try with even less flight experience than Luke.
Rocket Number 22
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http://www.slashfilm.com/the-holdo-maneuver/
“First of all, has this been done before, period? I’ve got to reserve the right for [Story Group member] Pablo [Hidalgo] to build it back into canon, if he’s like, ‘Yeah, this is a thing and they outlawed it.’ I think there’s various ways you can go with it. But it’s not like it was the plan to do this. It’s a spur of the moment thing. It’s this idea that she gets and she sits down and fucking does, and it obviously takes everybody completely by surprise. It takes Hux by surprise. The fact that Hux doesn’t see it coming means it’s probably not a standard military maneuver. I think it was something that Holdo (laughs) pulled out of her butt in the moment.”
“First of all, has this been done before, period? I’ve got to reserve the right for [Story Group member] Pablo [Hidalgo] to build it back into canon, if he’s like, ‘Yeah, this is a thing and they outlawed it.’ I think there’s various ways you can go with it. But it’s not like it was the plan to do this. It’s a spur of the moment thing. It’s this idea that she gets and she sits down and fucking does, and it obviously takes everybody completely by surprise. It takes Hux by surprise. The fact that Hux doesn’t see it coming means it’s probably not a standard military maneuver. I think it was something that Holdo (laughs) pulled out of her butt in the moment.”
TBiddy
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I don't quite understand what he's saying in the bolded. Can you rephrase that?
Rocket Number 22
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Hyperspace ramming was illegal so until Holdo no one did it because it was illegal.....
TBiddy
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Haha. Oh wow. I'm sure it's also illegal to be a rebel, but that doesn't seem to stop them.
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gioGAF
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Yup, this guy is spot on.
woodtock
Banned
I agree. Let me ask you a question: is this the Last Jedi better than the prequels?
Do RJ even star wars?
TheSadRanger
Banned
I dunno, there's been stuff in Star Wars that's had me roll my eyes for a while now. How the empire/FO seemingly have an infinite amount of resources and just spew out ships ad infinitum. It's like they have the freaking star forge from KotoR.
The second Death Star in RotJ was a big one, then you had the bigger and badder death star with starkiller, (where instead of one giant laser, it shoots a laser that splits into FIVE GIANT HOMING LASERS!!) TFO retreats into unknown regions of the galaxy yet somehow return with a bigger, badder fleet. They come back with largest capital ship ever built.
The only time they ever really tried to fix this was with TCW, there was at least some sense of scale that the movies never provide which is funny considering TCW is a kids show. There's at least dialogue that mentions that the New Republic can't afford to lose any more ships. That they need the support from X planet and to try to keep them from joining the separatist confederacy. Even the separatists had limits. Yet with the movies it's like the empire/TFO can just make shit forever.
Honestly, they should just write that the TFO has a star forge from Kotor lol.
edit: But yeah the ST always trying to One-Up things is becoming really redundant and is one of the major problems I have with it.
The second Death Star in RotJ was a big one, then you had the bigger and badder death star with starkiller, (where instead of one giant laser, it shoots a laser that splits into FIVE GIANT HOMING LASERS!!) TFO retreats into unknown regions of the galaxy yet somehow return with a bigger, badder fleet. They come back with largest capital ship ever built.
The only time they ever really tried to fix this was with TCW, there was at least some sense of scale that the movies never provide which is funny considering TCW is a kids show. There's at least dialogue that mentions that the New Republic can't afford to lose any more ships. That they need the support from X planet and to try to keep them from joining the separatist confederacy. Even the separatists had limits. Yet with the movies it's like the empire/TFO can just make shit forever.
Honestly, they should just write that the TFO has a star forge from Kotor lol.
edit: But yeah the ST always trying to One-Up things is becoming really redundant and is one of the major problems I have with it.
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Most of the people will disagree with me. But when I was young, like 7 years old, and saw the The Phantom Menace for the first time, for me it was a very good film. Of course I didn't understand what "The Trade Federation" was, but I have the images of Obi Wan, Qui Gon and Darth Maul, and it was just epic. Also pod racing was fun too.
I have been a huge Star Wars fan all my life and I really have good memories when I remember this film (not to mention original trilogy), and that is what i think it makes STAR WARS that big and important. The fact is, with The Last Jedi, there isn't nothing remarkable, nothing to remember.
Think, if you are an 8 years old boy, and you watch this trash, what will you remember? Super-Leia? Finn and Rose rescuing the Fathiers from Canto Bight?.
I have been a huge Star Wars fan all my life and I really have good memories when I remember this film (not to mention original trilogy), and that is what i think it makes STAR WARS that big and important. The fact is, with The Last Jedi, there isn't nothing remarkable, nothing to remember.
Think, if you are an 8 years old boy, and you watch this trash, what will you remember? Super-Leia? Finn and Rose rescuing the Fathiers from Canto Bight?.