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It Wasn't Actually That Bad- Games You Will Always Defend

Makariel

Member
I second Alpha Protocol, while it was quite rough in some areas and had some awful boss fights, it showed that a modern day RPG not only works well but is a lot of fun. Too bad most RPG are still fantasy or space fantasy.

Resident Evil 5 was a fun and silly co-op game. I hadn't laughed that much while playing a game until playing the fantastic Rayman Origins (or playing Street Fighter 4 Dudley vs. Dudley).
 

Hulk_Smash

Banned
I'll always defend No Man's Sky because everyone else are in the hivemind that bought into the lies of a few reddit individuals.

It's a great game from its launch.

That wasn’t the lies of someone on reddit. Those were the lies of Sean Murray. It has been proven he lied about what kind of game would be available at launch. Yes they delivered on SOME of those promises, but not all. I say this as someone who put 70 hrs into that game.
 

Hulk_Smash

Banned
No Man's Sky:

At launch it was at least original, beautiful and intriguing. Following the many free updates it's quite something. Ramping off alien mountains in the Roamer is just plain fun.

Metroid: Other M

Try to ignore the story, and see it as another approach to translating Metroid to 3D. I far prefer it, mechanically, to the Prime games. It's fast and fluid, like I feel Metroid should be.

No exaggeration: I'd play an Other M sequel before I'd play Prime 4.

Me too! I would love to see Team Ninja take another crack at Metroid (with a better writing staff). I’d take that over the scan-a-thon, backtracking rut that Prime 4 is bound to be. (Hope I’m wrong though)
 
Mad Max

The game wasn't that well received by the critics. For me, it was very Mad Max. Yeah some aspects were a bit tedious (the mine sweeping missions for example), but it had the right post-apocalyptic atmosphere and some of the best car chases I've ever played. The story was absolutely fine and the combat was serviceable. I had a lot of fun roaming around the wasteland and wallowing in a little bit of doomsday misery.

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Jezan

Member
Wave Race Blue Storm.
People say it's the same as the 64 version, but I think it's kinda unfair, the first one looked more like a Kawasaki ad but with an identity crisis as some stages are trying to look as an interactive vacations catalogue aka beautiful (with the limitations of N64) but they clash with the Kawasaki ad, also the announcer shouts too much. Then comes Blue Storm and it's fantastic, characters actually fit the setting and the courses actually have backgrounds and details outside of the small island inside the course. Weather is impactful changing the way waves behave, even the music changes with it and it's dynamic. Also each racer gets a different announcer and they have a different personality that some of them make you feel like you are on virtual vacations.

Matroid Other M
Yes the gameplay was sometimes somewhat clunky. But the story was only hated on because fans were disappointed that their heroine was turned into a woman with emotions. And while i agree that it was sometimes silly, overall i had a good time.
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Also no, the problems are not the emotions, well they are but because of the timeline, there are 7 games (timeline wise) before this and she still loses it when going against Ridley, that breakdown would fit a lot if this was her first mission which would also make more sense since in all the other games she is already a bounty hunter and in those 6 games she was cooperating with the GF but never implied she was part of them, also the forced drama with Adam which would fit like the end of her carreer with GF and her start as a bounty hunter, again this game fits being the first or second in the timeline. I actually liked Samus concern about MB and wanted to follow the Deleter arc but hated how Adam was handled and Ridley being a fuzzy creature that evolves into a dragon .

For example, no one is mad that Rodin from Bayonetta said that she Samus is badass but with a heart of gold, and the previous games never mentioned anything about being like that, but previous games (Super, Fusion and Corruption) implied that with her actions, unlike her breakdown against Ridley.
 
For me that game is Final Fantasy XV, I know people really disliked certain aspects of this game, maybe the characters too, maybe people thought it seemed to changed direction and had a different feel in the later chapters. For me the good far outweighed the bad, I wanted a modern open world RPG and thats what I got. It wasn't perfect but enjoyed the characters more than I thought I would, I loved the big open world, the visuals, the epic feel of the summons, the story was decent and at times I felt like a kid again playing for hours on end getting complete submerged in the game, eventually getting the Platinum trophy for the main story.

I took a chance after playing the early demo that came came with Final Fantasy Type 0, cause I really liked what I played and got the Ultimate Collectors Edition and I'm so glad I did, even though it cost a small fortune to import to Canada because it became my go to game for a long time this gen. Even my fiance put 65+ hrs into it and shes never played a Final Fantasy game in her life, now we get to have conversations she wouldn't have understood before and it added a little something more for us being able to share our experiences or as I'd teach her about summons, phoenix downs, Cactars and elixirs.
 
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Airola

Member
Spelunker (NES)
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I have never even beaten the first level but I hold no ill will against this game.
Even though I very often die because of the "horrible" (so they say!) jumping system I always thoroughly enjoy the five or so minutes I usually spend time with the game.
It's fun to try to focus on controlling the character in ways that don't get him accidentally killed and it's always a big win to be able to get one more item or treasure from the cave.

Double Dragon III (NES)
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I don't get why people dislike this game.
Sure, it's no Double Dragon II but it surely is better than the first game.
The platforming sections have never bothered me in the series. In fact I find those parts really exciting.
The "lives system" is great too. You only have one life, but by beating two certain bosses you can have them as playable characters.
So you essentially get two more lives if you are good enough and because those "extra lives" are completely different characters it feels like every single life really matters.
Amazing game!

BTW, shout out to Double Dragon IV (PC)!
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That gets too much bad rap too. Again, it's certainly no Double Dragon II and not even Double Dragon III, but it's better than the first (and Neon and whatever else there are).
It's an amazing two player co-op experience and while the levels don't have as great design as the previous entries in the series had, it's still a blast to play.
The jumping sections are even more tense than ever before and I love they doubled down on that despite people clearly hating them. That's a ballsy move which, though, might've cost them a lot of buying customers. Too bad the game pretty much bombed hard.

Witch & Hero (3DS)
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I don't know what people in general think of this but Nintendo Life's 2/10 review is tough to read.
It really is amazingly enjoyable little game for short bursts of gameplay.
You beat the monsters Ys style just bumping at them while trying to protect the witch in the middle of the screen, one screen at a time.
You die and grind and die and grind and die and grind.
It's one of the underappreciated 3DS gems if you ask me.


Wii Party U (Wii U)
What a fantastic party game this is!
I don't get at all why people seem to dislike it.
Wii U's party games tend to be horrible (Rabbids Land was awful and I don't even want to talk about Game Party Champions and whatever other games there are).
Wii Party U is far superior to Mario Party 10 too.
The "Soccer Poker" (Teammate Madness, I think) game is amazingly fun!
 
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BANGS

Banned
Shenmue, especially the first one. People always try to sum up it's parts and it's just so much more than that...
 

Alx

Member
Fighter Within.
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Game got completely trashed by reviews, and has a Metacritic score of 23 which should mean "completely unplayable". Well it's a quite competent motion fighting game, probably one of the best in the genre actually. It has a rather complete attack/defense/grapple system, plus counters, combos, interactive levels,... It's too bad the developers never added the online versus mode they promised (but I guess it was pointless if only a handful of people bought the game).
Not exactly a classic, but a solid 6/10 in my opinion, it does the job.
 

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Assassin's Creed 3. People LOVE to tear that one to shreds, but I genuinely enjoyed the setting, story and gameplay.
This, probably my favorite Assassin Creed, Connor was great and more mature then Ezio and I guess that what people didn't like but the setting the great frontier, combat, hunting.
Its Assassins Creed at it peak and I think the series took a nosedive after with big stepbacks. The whole series was downgraded afterwards and was like going from Origins to AC:Rev with Blackflag.
Origins is probably the only time I've seen them reach the same peak and surpass it.
 

koosa

Banned
Duke Nukem Forever was just pure fun, 90s game with modern graphics, and i really enjoyed shooting mechanics.
Gears Judgement - really good, i like the star rating system and mixed enemy placement, i actually had more fun with it than uninspired gears 4
Heroes of Might & Magic IV was full of cool ideas and it shaked the formula in the way it felt fresh. And i personally think heroes II, III AND IV have timeless graphics, they're all beautiful to this day.

And finally, not a game, but gameplay mechanics - while old silent hill games are praised for atmosphere and plot, gameplay stuff is frequently shat on, but I think Silent Hill 1-4 all have a GREAT combat (better than old Resi games), it's simple and satisfying, attacks feel impactful and i love that you have to stomp on enemies to finish them, all of that plus slow exploration and puzzles makes those games relaxing to play for me.
 

bufkus

Member
I will always defend Fallout 4 because I believe 99% of the criticism against it is unwarranted. Fallout 4 is basically an Elder Scrolls game in a Fallout setting and it excels at that. I don't give two shits about the lack of meaningful choices and quest branching that was found in New Vegas and the first two Fallout games. All I care about is beefing up my settlements, doing repeatable dynamic quests, loading up on gear and resources, etc, all while ignoring the main story.
 

OH-MyCar

Member
Castlevania 2. Yeah the translation is a bit garbage but thanks to AVGN and the like, it's like it's "badness" is now somehow self-evident. It's like some sort of unquestioned Nickleback meme for a lot of people just because of one guy's YouTube video. It's a phenomenal game with an accurate translation and not half as bad as everyone says it is without. I'd argue it's one of the top 3 of the entire franchise.
 
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Droxcy

Member
I'm right there with you for DK64! Gameplay was fun and th characters were perfect, even the movie I'll defend!
 
Castlevania 2. Yeah the translation is a bit garbage but thanks to AVGN and the like, it's like it's "badness" is now somehow self-evident. It's like some sort of unquestioned Nickleback meme for a lot of people just because of one guy's YouTube video. It's a phenomenal game with an accurate translation and not half as bad as everyone says it is without. I'd argue it's one of the top 3 of the entire franchise.

Not only that, but the nonlinearity and RPG-like mechanics paved the way for critically acclaimed Metrodvania entries in the series like Symphony Of The Night and Aria Of Sorrow. It's odd to me that those games are beloved while the game that actually started that style is hated.
 

DryvBy

Member
Postal 2. It's a mess of a game but I love it. There's not many games that let you pee on people and light them on fire.
 

Vallen

Neo Member
Fullmetal Alchemist: And The Broken Angel [PS2] - people sure hate this game. But in reality the combat was super fun & the story was written really well and fit into the FMA 2003 timeline really well. They captured what made FMA great and dark at the same time quite nicely in that game's plot.
 

Geki-D

Banned
Whilst I might not defend the game itself, I maintain that Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale is a concept that works, Sony has the characters and catalogue to make a perfect Smash Bros style game and people who say that PSBR being a stinker is proof that Sony doesn't have what it takes to power a brawler are utterly wrong. The fact that Super Bot didn't do too well a job, is just that, the dev failing to capitalise on a perfectly workable concept.

IMO Sony need to give it another chance.
 

prag16

Banned
Mass effect Andromeda. Still gutted the series is no more as a sequel to andromeda could have being special like 2.
This.

Andromeda made a lot of mistakes, but with proper management a sequel could have been all time great, building on what was great about the first, and minimizing what wasn't. Much like the ME1 to ME2 jump (but preferably with a bit less streamlining).
 

EBE

Member
Fighter Within.
Game got completely trashed by reviews, and has a Metacritic score of 23 which should mean "completely unplayable". Well it's a quite competent motion fighting game, probably one of the best in the genre actually. It has a rather complete attack/defense/grapple system, plus counters, combos, interactive levels,... It's too bad the developers never added the online versus mode they promised (but I guess it was pointless if only a handful of people bought the game).
Not exactly a classic, but a solid 6/10 in my opinion, it does the job.
Word? ive been thinking of picking this up for a while now. i can only play so much kinect boom ball (decent games, actually).
 

Redshirt

Banned
A game that stands out to me from this gen that "wasn't actually that bad" is LocoCycle.

I skipped that game because how hard GAF was killing it.

Ended up getting it for like $3, and it was a pretty good arcade game. FMV and story were dumb.

But the action was well-executed, and I enjoyed the hook of leveling up the cycle and the Japanese-style level scoring.
 
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Ballthyrm

Member
No Man Sky:
A perfect example of a hype bubble that the devs who aren't professional communicator were not able to put a lid on. The hardest thing for a indie game is to get noticed, the devs were all to happy not to crush people hope and it backfired on them. When the bubble burst, people rage against a game that wasn't ever going to happen. When you judge the actual game especially now after the patches, well it's a good game for what it is.

Steep:

Not a perfect game but got misinterpreted as a new SSX. It wasn't ever going to be that and there isn't any other game that let me do what steep allows me to do.
 
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Also no, the problems are not the emotions, well they are but because of the timeline, there are 7 games (timeline wise) before this and she still loses it when going against Ridley, that breakdown would fit a lot if this was her first mission which would also make more sense since in all the other games she is already a bounty hunter and in those 6 games she was cooperating with the GF but never implied she was part of them, also the forced drama with Adam which would fit like the end of her carreer with GF and her start as a bounty hunter, again this game fits being the first or second in the timeline. I actually liked Samus concern about MB and wanted to follow the Deleter arc but hated how Adam was handled and Ridley being a fuzzy creature that evolves into a dragon .

For example, no one is mad that Rodin from Bayonetta said that she Samus is badass but with a heart of gold, and the previous games never mentioned anything about being like that, but previous games (Super, Fusion and Corruption) implied that with her actions, unlike her breakdown against Ridley.
Come on now, Ridley is the best Pokémon!
 

SpartanN92

Banned
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Did it have problems? Yes. Were they as bad as people said? No.
Campaign: It was too reliant upon books, the art style shift was unwelcome, and the Prometheans weren't great but it was an emotional story and you can tell 343 cared.
They were a new studio and it was a solid first effort.

Multiplayer: The MP was weak at launch but once it received the title update that fixed the battle rifle and tweaked a few other things it was solid. The maps were weak and armor abilities were a doubling down of the mistakes made in Reach but if you played tourny settings with no AA it was damn good. It however had too much of a "CoD" vibe and people damned it immediately.
 

Bl@de

Member
Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines.

Many won‘t say it‘s a bad game because it is a cult classic by now, but let‘s be honest:
- Broken on release and only fixed by fans over time
- Trash combat
- Terrible AI
- Late game areas are ugly corridors

Still one of the best RPGs of all time and a 10/10 for me
 
KKND and Z, ya they were not as popular as C&C and Warcraft but I still loved them.

I shall defend Prince of Persia 2008 to my last breath. I'd go as far to say it's the better than Sands of Time as well.

i haven't seen any crap on this game ever, and i agree it was amazing.
 
All I care about is beefing up my settlements

That's pretty much all I did in Fallout 4 and it was glorious. I hope we'll get more of that stuff in Fallout 5. Unfortunately Bethesda is killing the game, and the reputation of the franchise with the paid mods.
 

Alx

Member
Word? ive been thinking of picking this up for a while now. i can only play so much kinect boom ball (decent games, actually).

If you can find it for cheap I'd say it's worth trying. The main issue is that it's only offline, so if you're playing on your own it gets quite repetitive. You can play side by side with a friend, but I never tried it tbh.
 
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I'd like to defend Link's Crossbow Training for Wii. It is a fantastic light gun game, one of the best I've ever played. The motion controls are so fun, and I'm amazed that they actually turned Zelda into a light gun game. It got a mixed reaction though, and one of the main criticisms was that it was too short. It makes me think those reviewers haven't played many light gun games or arcade style games in general, because they're not known for being super long. Also, a really long length would have made it too repetitive. As it is, I rank this up there with all time greats like House Of The Dead, Area 51, Duck Hunt, Hogan's Alley, Virtua Cop, and Time Crisis.
 

bitbydeath

Member
That wasn’t the lies of someone on reddit. Those were the lies of Sean Murray. It has been proven he lied about what kind of game would be available at launch. Yes they delivered on SOME of those promises, but not all. I say this as someone who put 70 hrs into that game.

There was a large reddit thread that went on saying a bunch of stuff wasn’t in the game at launch which was untrue, problem was it got picked apart too late leaving many thinking it was correct.
 

jayjay275

Member
This, probably my favorite Assassin Creed, Connor was great and more mature then Ezio and I guess that what people didn't like but the setting the great frontier, combat, hunting.
Its Assassins Creed at it peak and I think the series took a nosedive after with big stepbacks. The whole series was downgraded afterwards and was like going from Origins to AC:Rev with Blackflag.
Origins is probably the only time I've seen them reach the same peak and surpass it.

Yeah I'm gonna have to agree. I think what people REALLY disliked about AC3 was its ending and how itr would ultimately affect the series to the point it stands to today; it is completely fair and myself included cannot stand what they are doing with modern day. It has become a very diluted part of what was the foundation of the entire series lol.
 

MP!

Member
Skyward Sword

nothing about it was that bad

except when it tells you about an item over and over
 
Super Paper Mario...but I say this as someone who doesn't like RPGs.

I will agree with this so much. SPM is a 10/10 for me, and I love the unique blend of platforming with RPG mechanics. Plus, the story is great. Sure, it's not as good as Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door (or the originial for that matter) but you have to be fair. After all, not many games are on the same level as the masterpiece that is TTYD.
 

ph33rknot

Banned
I love gunValkyrie and no one can convince me otherwise come on Microsoft do it i like monster madness too
 
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Mad Max

The game wasn't that well received by the critics. For me, it was very Mad Max. Yeah some aspects were a bit tedious (the mine sweeping missions for example), but it had the right post-apocalyptic atmosphere and some of the best car chases I've ever played. The story was absolutely fine and the combat was serviceable. I had a lot of fun roaming around the wasteland and wallowing in a little bit of doomsday misery.

I liked that game too. It had a bunch of neat things in the environment as well and the map was way bigger then what you could use. I used a cheat to go out of the map area and there was a lot of other cool areas that they could have used in the game.
 

Silvawuff

Member
Neopets. I've been playing it for 18 years. Yeah, it still exists. Yeah, it's rife with ads (gotta use an ad-blocker or it's almost unplayable), and it's filled with crappy flash games from a bygone era. I don't really play those anymore, but I still do the battledome and daily stuff. It's a comforting part of my daily routine that I've known since I signed up on the site long ago at school -- back when it was the new thing and all the kids were playing it. It's aged poorly in every aspect, and I think the entire site is being run by a few people now due to the molasses frequency of updates and new content... but it's still a special game to me, and a slice of nostalgia from a living internet relic.
 

Jezan

Member
Come on now, Ridley is the best Pokémon!
Ridley needs to be featured here: What if Pokemon grew rather than evolved?
Would probably fix that, would be better if Nintendo gave a hard sci-fi explanation on Ridley and it's species, if there's one? Can we get a "scan book" for Prime 4 release?
Neopets. I've been playing it for 18 years. Yeah, it still exists. Yeah, it's rife with ads (gotta use an ad-blocker or it's almost unplayable), and it's filled with crappy flash games from a bygone era. I don't really play those anymore, but I still do the battledome and daily stuff. It's a comforting part of my daily routine that I've known since I signed up on the site long ago at school -- back when it was the new thing and all the kids were playing it. It's aged poorly in every aspect, and I think the entire site is being run by a few people now due to the molasses frequency of updates and new content... but it's still a special game to me, and a slice of nostalgia from a living internet relic.
OMG I'm also a long time player (started in 2001). It's one of the most wasted potentials ever! They should have released an app a long time ago to keep the appeal!

I mean, it's like Pokemon but with more freedom on what they can do with the characters, as most plots have the pets anthropomorphised but the "normal" pets can still be customized with paint brushes and the loads of clothes, feeding them different stuff (the Gourmet club), read them books, etc. it's Pokemon Amie taken to the extreme; the Battledome, then there's the whole fan culture of restocking, hoarding, galleries, collections, etc.

FFS, Ylana is basically a twi'lek from Star Wars!

Neopets holds a special place in my heart, thanks to it I learned many many words in english , the difference between color and colour (same with fairy used in Zelda and faerie used in Neopets), learned how to RP, edit images, webpages, etc. And still can't get a Plushie Paint Brush for my Shoyru :(
 
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Tevious

Member
Dark Souls II. Yeah, the world design wasn't as cleverly connected. It had some ugly areas, but so did Dark Souls. Some of the boss fights were kind of similar, but the gameplay/combat was still great. The DLC areas were amazing and were some of the most memorable locations for me throughout the series. Multiplayer was also an improvement from Dark Souls.
 

zenspider

Member
Matroid Other M
Yes the gameplay was sometimes somewhat clunky. But the story was only hated on because fans were disappointed that their heroine was turned into a woman with emotions. And while i agree that it was sometimes silly, overall i had a good time.

Here for this.

I really enjoyed Other M, and having different expectations made the difference.

As much as I adore Prime, I lament what was lost in translation to 3D, and Other M felt like the missing link - like a lost N64 game.

The story is bad, but it isn't as bad as people make it out to be. The writing and voice acting are really the culprits. I always make the comparison to when I was at a writer's workshop, and people would read their work aloud, and how awkward words meant to be read are when they are spoken - especially inner monologue - sums up how I feel.

It didn't bother me as much as other because I hold all video game stories to a pretty low standard, and things like Adam locking powers versus some other arbitrary reason is really a '12 of one, a dozen of the other' case for me.

I wish the team got another crack it, but Metroid fans are brutal.
 

sensor

Member
Dark Souls II. Yeah, the world design wasn't as cleverly connected. It had some ugly areas, but so did Dark Souls. Some of the boss fights were kind of similar, but the gameplay/combat was still great. The DLC areas were amazing and were some of the most memorable locations for me throughout the series. Multiplayer was also an improvement from Dark Souls.

A million times yes. Some of the hyperbole surrounding how bad DS2 supposedly is, is ludicrous. It's the one that's most fun for me to pick up and play again simply because of the sheer wealth of gear available, and subsequently build variety. The PvP is also miles better than the trainwreck DS3 is.

Some of the criticisms pertaining to boss fights and area design are definitely valid though, like you said. The only thing I hate personally is Soul Memory.
 

NathanVS.

Neo Member
Yooka-Laylee:
While not as good as A Hat in Time, Super Mario Odyssey or the Banjo games, I still had a blast playing through it warts and all. I normally don't react to negativity too much (except for the Tropical Freeze reveal, the initial reaction to that game boggles my mind) whenever I'm on the internet. But Yooka has gotten way too much flack than it deserves. This kinda goes for RARE's other collectathons as well. Banjo Tooie and Donkey Kong 64 are so much fun, I just can't see how people can get bored with these games.

Metroid Other M:
I'm a huge fan of the Metroid series, and while the story and linearity can do this game no favors, I find the overall gameplay to be really fun. It's a Team Ninja game so I got what I expected out of a Ninja Gaiden-like Metroid game.

The Wonderful 101:
It has gotten more love from people as time goes by, but it still feels a little underrated. It isn't one of my favorites from Hideki Kamiya, but it's still a fun game.
 

JordanN

Banned
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This game was doing 3D Grand Theft Auto before it was a thing. Yet the reviews put it somewhere at a 5/10.
Driver 2 will forever be my favorite video game of all the time and the number one motivation why I pursued a career in 3D Art. I'm still in amazement how the developers got this running on a Playstation 1.
 
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Bolivar687

Banned
The Order 1886 - visionary arthouse game and the gunplay was kinda dope.

MGS4 - yes, the cutscenes were long and over the top (it's Kojima lol) but the gameplay was just as ambitious. There just weren't any gameplay sequences available at the time like what the open ended stealth offered here.

MGSV - no story, it should've been Revenge of the Sith but like MGS4, the gameplay more than makes up for it.

Call of Duty Ghosts - the last CoD with modern armaments and classic gameplay. The larger maps allowed for more of the insane CoD moments you just don't get anymore with the cramped maps of recent years.
 

Virex

Banned
Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines.

Many won‘t say it‘s a bad game because it is a cult classic by now, but let‘s be honest:
- Broken on release and only fixed by fans over time
- Trash combat
- Terrible AI
- Late game areas are ugly corridors

Still one of the best RPGs of all time and a 10/10 for me

One of my favourite games of all time. I still play it regularly
 
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