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[llien]

You're always going to have people with dumb opinions.

It's not a handful of people pushing for dumb opinions (check post #138) and there is a disagreement on whether this actually has been put to practice in UK, to me it looks like it actually has.

Come one, literally didn't say "no group is pushing it." . Simply said it isn't getting off the ground,

You did (the "it is only some outliners" has been said multiple others, before and even after your post).

It's not the effects of the pushing, that this thread is about.
Since we have established that "don't treat women like men" push does exist, let's dive on "isn't getting of the ground".

I would recommend reading the actual document that they mention here.

It's way to dry (and big) to be honest, if you have read it, would you mind citing the relevant parts? Here is what we have from the telegraph:

Here are direct quotes from the article:

"Quoting Supreme Court judge Baroness Hale, it added: "It is now well recognised that a misplaced conception of equality has resulted in some very unequal treatment for women and girls.""

"Dame Laura Cox, a high court judge who led the team writing the rules, wrote: "It is hardly revolutionary that judges should know of the matters central to the lives of those who attend courts and to aim to provide judges with that knowledge.""

And an actual, case, quite in line with the above:

Medical student 'too bright' for prison is spared jail for stabbing boyfriend with bread knife (the Independent)

 

[MazeHaze]

Everyone keeps confusing feminism as a whole with girls on tumblr who say things they don't like imo.

 

[bitbydeath]

MRA = Men's Rights Activists. Dudes who believe that because women are no longer second-class citizens, they themselves are losing their rights...to treat others as inferior.

Doesn’t surprise me this group exists but wouldn’t it make more sense to abolish both and have everyone work together on equality?

 

[Zog]

If you want to talk about Patriarchy as a term, can we do so in a way which doesn't present a complete strawman of the term? And I don't see how being against patriarchy is comparable to making a movement that is completely against a female equal rights movement.

Why don't you tell me what and who the Patriarchy is then?

 

[Dunki]

Doesn’t surprise me this group exists but wouldn’t it make more sense to abolish both and have everyone work together on equality?

No because this would be too reasonable and would make modern feminism obsolete so they are trying to stay alive and call everyone who does not agree with them MRA

 

[MazeHaze]

For all of the "Modern feminism has gone too far/is unnecessary" people. What are your thoughts on genital mutilation? How about all of the honor killings in the middle east? All of the untested rape kits? Cat-calling? Marital rape being legal in many states still, despite many attempts at bills to change this? Maternity leave? Contraception not being covered by insurance? Religious agendas trying to govern what a woman can do with her body? The ENDA?

I mean fuck, we recently had a politician say that women have a natural defense against rape, if they don't want it the body has ways of shutting it down. This is a member of the House of Representatives saying this shit, and he's not even the most ignorant one. Feminism is obviously necessary, these people control the government of the most powerful nation in the world.

Feminism isn't just "blue haired SJWS" and people bitching about sexy girls in games. There are real, legitimate issues that are still being combated and saying it's "gone too far" just shows your ignorance about the real world, and how much you rely on other people on the internet who also have no idea what the fuck they're talking about to form your opinions.

 

[zelo-ca]

For all of the "Modern feminism has gone too far/is unnecessary" people. What are your thoughts on genital mutilation? How about all of the honor killings in the middle east? All of the untested rape kits? Cat-calling? Marital rape being legal in many states still, despite many attempts at bills to change this? Maternity leave? Contraception not being covered by insurance? Religious agendas trying to govern what a woman can do with her body? The ENDA?

I will give my opinion on a few of these points. Maternity leave should not be the governments responsibility. If a family wants to have a child they should prepare for it aka save money for it which includes saving money for maternity leave. On abortion I am on the side of pro life unless the woman was raped or she would die (which is only about 1% of all abortions). A life is a life and to me abortion = murder and a woman has no right to end a life.

Cat-calling is dumb and I wish people would not do it but I have no idea how you could legislate it either.

Those are my opinions

 

[EricTheRed]

This board has gone down the toilet

 

[MazeHaze]

I will give my opinion on a few of these points. Maternity leave should not be the governments responsibility. If a family wants to have a child they should prepare for it aka save money for it which includes saving money for maternity leave. On abortion I am on the side of pro life unless the woman was raped or she would die (which is only about 1% of all abortions). A life is a life and to me abortion = murder and a woman has no right to end a life.

Cat-calling is dumb and I wish people would not do it but I have no idea how you could legislate it either.

Those are my opinions

First of all, what if the child is unplanned? No contraception method is 100%. You don't want women to have maternity leave, but you also don't want them to have abortions?

And how would you make rape exceptions to abortion? Most rape cases don't get anywhere, see the hundreds of thousands of untested rape kits. And if they do you have to prove it in court, which takes way longer than 9 months. How do you make an exception for rape then? The vast majority of rapes don't result in any sort of conviction.

Edit: And maybe we should take real numbers into account. Even if only 1% of abortions are because of rape, there are around 700,000 legal abortions in the US per year. That's 7,000 abortions because of rape. seven...thousand, per year.

 

[zelo-ca]

First of all, what if the child is unplanned? No contraception method is 100%. You don't want women to have maternity leave, but you also don't want them to have abortions?

And how would you make rape exceptions to abortion? Most rape cases don't get anywhere, see the hundreds of thousands of untested rape kits. And if they do you have to prove it in court, which takes way longer than 9 months. How do you make an exception for rape then? The vast majority of rapes don't result in any sort of conviction.

Edit: And maybe we should take real numbers into account. Even if only 1% of abortions are because of rape, there are around 700,000 legal abortions in the US per year. That's 7,000 abortions because of rape. seven...thousand, per year.

We all plan our pregnancies by having sex so no I still stand by my point. There is adoption also for unplanned pregnancies and yes I want those 7000 abortions to happen. My solution would be to mandate a rape kit if someone wants an abortion for rape.

 

[Tumle]

For all of the "Modern feminism has gone too far/is unnecessary" people. What are your thoughts on genital mutilation? How about all of the honor killings in the middle east? All of the untested rape kits? Cat-calling? Marital rape being legal in many states still, despite many attempts at bills to change this? Maternity leave? Contraception not being covered by insurance? Religious agendas trying to govern what a woman can do with her body? The ENDA?

I mean fuck, we recently had a politician say that women have a natural defense against rape, if they don't want it the body has ways of shutting it down. This is a member of the House of Representatives saying this shit, and he's not even the most ignorant one. Feminism is obviously necessary, these people control the government of the most powerful nation in the world.

Feminism isn't just "blue haired SJWS" and people bitching about sexy girls in games. There are real, legitimate issues that are still being combated and saying it's "gone too far" just shows your ignorance about the real world, and how much you rely on other people on the internet who also have no idea what the fuck they're talking about to form your opinions.

Your absolutely right that there are still need of feminism for all the points you provided, if these things a prelevant in the country you come from.. it’s sad to know that one of the leading countries in the world is still so backwards when it comes to basic human rights.. but where I come from, a country where most of your points are already implemented( even men gets a 1/2 year payed maternity leave here) or are elegal.. then I think that the problem with your countries feminism is that there is to much noise, and it’s too much splintered to get anything of importans done.. and that’s really sad

 

[The Sane Psycho]

First of all, what if the child is unplanned? No contraception method is 100%. You don't want women to have maternity leave, but you also don't want them to have abortions?

Here's an idea- Don't have sex if you can't deal with the responsibility of raising a child. And I say the same thing for deadbeat fathers. Or, if you get pregnant but don't want to take responsibility for your actions, put the baby up for adoption instead of killing an innocent child for something that was your fault and the fault of the father to begin with.

This board has gone down the toilet

Then leave.

 

[MazeHaze]

We all plan our pregnancies by having sex so no I still stand by my point. There is adoption also for unplanned pregnancies and yes I want those 7000 abortions to happen. My solution would be to mandate a rape kit if someone wants an abortion for rape.

OH. So you think if women don't want to get pregnant, they should remain abstinent? Are you religious?

Mandate a rape kit? Are you serious? Do you know how long the legal system in the US takes? Do you know how the legal system even works? Do you know what a rape kit is? Even if you get a positive DNA result, you still have to prove that the sex was non-consensual in a court of law, it isn't just an open and shut case.

Here's an idea- Don't have sex if you can't deal with the responsibility of raising a child. And I say the same thing for deadbeat fathers. Or, if you get pregnant but don't want to take responsibility for your actions, put the baby up for adoption instead of killing an innocent child for something that was your fault and the fault of the father to begin with.


Then leave.

Here;s an idea - Millions of adults don't ever want children, and millions of adults can't afford children. So they should never have sex? I'm 29 years old, I could never afford a child. The idea that I should be abstinent is fucking ridiculous. What is there some kind of threshold for how wealthy I need to be to enjoy sex?

I'm sure you also are a big supporter of social welfare programs that would help poor people support their children right? Or are we all too poor to have sex?

 

[Dunki]

For all of the "Modern feminism has gone too far/is unnecessary" people. What are your thoughts on genital mutilation? How about all of the honor killings in the middle east? All of the untested rape kits? Cat-calling? Marital rape being legal in many states still, despite many attempts at bills to change this? Maternity leave? Contraception not being covered by insurance? Religious agendas trying to govern what a woman can do with her body? The ENDA?

I mean fuck, we recently had a politician say that women have a natural defense against rape, if they don't want it the body has ways of shutting it down. This is a member of the House of Representatives saying this shit, and he's not even the most ignorant one. Feminism is obviously necessary, these people control the government of the most powerful nation in the world.

Feminism isn't just "blue haired SJWS" and people bitching about sexy girls in games. There are real, legitimate issues that are still being combated and saying it's "gone too far" just shows your ignorance about the real world, and how much you rely on other people on the internet who also have no idea what the fuck they're talking about to form your opinions.

We are not talking about Feminism but modern Feminism. I still think this is a HUGE difference. Also if you use a IS loving Sharia advertiser with Linda Sarasour I doubt they have anything against honor killings or even genital mutilation if they chose her as role model for the women#smarch

As for your questions:
genital mutilation is disgusting and should not be allowed to be done by parents. Same goes for young boys. Let them decide what to do what the want

Honor killings are disgusting but to counter these you also have to counter the radical Islam and its teaching. We get more honor killings in Germany as well Its now maybe 10-20+ a year. But still you can not criticize the Islam for teaching even children radical believes. You want to fight these things. Fight the radical and even some of the "moderate" Islam. Create a western Islam which also teaches western morals in terms of equality and freedom.

Rape Kits: You should get them for free in pharmacies.

Martial Rape. Married or not it does not matter rape is rape and should be treated as such.

Maternity leave should be possible for both partners maybe split them

Contraception: Depends on your age, and class. Teens boys or girls should get them for free at certain places.. Poor people should get the for free at certain places. People who have a job and steady income should pay for it.

And for the last: go back to my Islam statement.

 

[The Sane Psycho]

OH. So you think if women don't want to get pregnant, they should remain abstinent? Are you religious?

I'm an atheist and have this opinion. Sorry, but there is no such thing as 100% safe sex. So if you're so against the idea of raising a child that you'd be willing to end a life over it, then you probably shouldn't have sex. It's not the baby's fault the mother got pregnant.

 

[MazeHaze]

We are not talking about Feminism but modern Feminism. I still think this is a HUGE difference. Also if you use a IS loving Sharia advertiser with Linda Sarasour I doubt they have anything against honor killings or even genital mutilation if they chose her as role model for the women#smarch

As for your questions:
genital mutilation is disgusting and should not be allowed to be done by parents. Same goes for young boys. Let them decide what to do what the want

Honor killings are disgusting but to counter these you also have to counter the radical Islam and its teaching. We get more honor killings in Germany as well Its now maybe 10-20+ a year. But still you can not criticize the Islam for teaching even children radical believes. You want to fight these things. Fight the radical and even some of the "moderate" Islam. Create a western Islam which also teaches western morals in terms of equality and freedom.

Rape Kits: You should get them for free in pharmacies.

Martial Rape. Married or not it does not matter rape is rape and should be treated as such.

Maternity leave should be possible for both partners maybe split them

Contraception: Depends on your age, and class. Teens boys or girls should get them for free at certain places.. Poor people should get the for free at certain places. People who have a job and steady income should pay for it.

And for the last: go back to my Islam statement.

Yo, tons of feminists don't fuck with Linda Sarsour at all, myself included. That always seems to be some kind of "gotcha" thing. Modern feminism is feminism. There's 1st wave feminism, second wave feminism, third wave, and fourth wave is what is happening now. Your responses on marital rape, maternity leave, and contraception show that you support some of the current goals of feminism, so I don't know why you would be against it.

I'm an atheist and have this opinion. Sorry, but there is no such thing as 100% safe sex. So if you're so against the idea of raising a child that you'd be willing to end a life over it, then you probably shouldn't have sex. It's not the baby's fault the mother got pregnant.

What if you can't afford the baby? Adoption isn't always an option. Should poor people be legally prohibited from having sex for pleasure? What about people who don't want a child at all, ever? They should be abstinent their whole lives?

Got it. People who are poor or don't want to dedicate their lives to children should never have sex. That sure sounds like an approach that makes sense, works, and doesn't fuck anyone over.

And like I said, I'm sure you're a big supporter of higher taxes for more social welfare programs to help those who would be forced to have children they don't want.

 

[zelo-ca]

Here;s an idea - Millions of adults don't ever want children, and millions of adults can't afford children. So they should never have sex? I'm 29 years old, I could never afford a child. The idea that I should be abstinent is fucking ridiculous. What is there some kind of threshold for how wealthy I need to be to enjoy sex?

I'm sure you also are a big supporter of social welfare programs that would help poor people support their children right? Or are we all too poor to have sex?

The poor yes should be able to get contraception but my response was to do with abortion. Use contraception if you want but if you get pregnant the mother should be responsible and either take care of the child or but it up for adoption.

 

[Zog]

Here's an idea- Don't have sex if you can't deal with the responsibility of raising a child. And I say the same thing for deadbeat fathers.

The government and all of society says that to fathers but not to mothers.

 

[Zog]

OH. So you think if women don't want to get pregnant, they should remain abstinent?

Isn't that what men are told? Keep it in your pants if you don't want a baby?

 

[Tumle]

Yo, tons of feminists don't fuck with Linda Sarsour at all, myself included. That always seems to be some kind of "gotcha" thing. Modern feminism is feminism. There's 1st wave feminism, second wave feminism, third wave, and fourth wave is what is happening now. Your responses on marital rape, maternity leave, and contraception show that you support some of the current goals of feminism, so I don't know why you would be against it.


What if you can't afford the baby? Adoption isn't always an option. Should poor people be legally prohibited from having sex for pleasure? What about people who don't want a child at all, ever? They should be abstinent their whole lives?

Got it. People who are poor or don't want to dedicate their lives to children should never have sex. That sure sounds like an approach that makes sense, works, and doesn't fuck anyone over.

And like I said, I'm sure you're a big supporter of higher taxes for more social welfare programs to help those who would be forced to have children they don't want.

Because most of these things are already normal practice, where me and Dunki comes from..

Now the thread has turned into when is a featus considered a Conscience human being.. and now its the conservatives turn to talk from feelings instead of facts.. I love these roundabout discussions..

 

[Dunki]

Yo, tons of feminists don't fuck with Linda Sarsour at all, myself included. That always seems to be some kind of "gotcha" thing. Modern feminism is feminism. There's 1st wave feminism, second wave feminism, third wave, and fourth wave is what is happening now. Your responses on marital rape, maternity leave, and contraception show that you support some of the current goals of feminism, so I don't know why you would be against it.

First of all Linda is a top figure in the feminism realm and no one even cares to denounce her at all. Instead you get articles from the guardian how she is the victim. And I do not consider myself a feminist because I think modern feminism has nothing to do with equality anymore. Also I do not follow blindy ideologies but rather build my own opinion and views on different subjects which may or may not be the same as some ideologies

 

[MazeHaze]

The poor yes should be able to get contraception but my response was to do with abortion. Use contraception if you want but if you get pregnant the mother should be responsible and either take care of the child or but it up for adoption.

What? What if contraception fails? What if the mother is raped? What if she doesn't ever want to give birth? Should the father be responsible too? Who pays for all the doctors visists? Who pays for the birth? How do we make exceptions for rape?

 

[The Sane Psycho]

M MazeHaze Okay, I see your point about many people not being able to afford children, and I agree that it's ridiculous of me to say that people shouldn't have sex in a case like that. I still think abortion is the wrong way to go about it though. If you know you won't be able to afford a child, I feel like adoption is a much better alternative. That way, they'll have the chance for a family that will love and adore them and have a chance at a great life rather than having their life ended before they're even born.

 

[zelo-ca]

What? What if contraception fails? What if the mother is raped? What if she doesn't ever want to give birth? Should the father be responsible too? Who pays for all the doctors visists? Who pays for the birth? How do we make exceptions for rape?

One word, adoption.

 

[Zog]

What? What if contraception fails? What if the mother is raped? What if she doesn't ever want to give birth? Should the father be responsible too? Who pays for all the doctors visists? Who pays for the birth? How do we make exceptions for rape?

You know what's interesting? Nothing can stop a woman from forcing parenthood on a man, even if she raped him.

 

[MazeHaze]

First of all Linda is a top figure in the feminism realm and no one even cares to denounce her at all. Instead you get articles from the guardian how she is the victim. And I do not consider myself a feminist because I think modern feminism has nothing to do with equality anymore. Also I do not follow blindy ideologies but rather build my own opinion and views on different subjects which may or may not be the same as some ideologies

Sounds like you build your views from youtube personalities and other people on the internet who have no idea what the fuck they're talking about.

I'm out of here. It's like trying to argue with 4chan, or r/redpill. Have fun NUgaf, keep congratulating each other for escaping the clutches of the fascist left, while you high five about how much you think feminism is wrong, white people are the real victims of racism, and gamergate was right all along. Keep going to Resetera in between your frequent bans, so you can come back here and call it REEEEEE-set era, and bump elbows with EvilLore who has no choice but to be friends with you, because his website would be fucking dead without you. Real good values being instilled here. Another breeding ground for ignorance that will never reclaim it's former glory.

 

[Dunki]

What? What if contraception fails? What if the mother is raped? What if she doesn't ever want to give birth? Should the father be responsible too? Who pays for all the doctors visists? Who pays for the birth? How do we make exceptions for rape?

Abortion is a difficult topic for me.

1. Yes in terms of illness rape etc. you should be able to do an abortion without questioning.

2. For an accidents I do think that it is not that easy. So yes you should have the right but also you need to learn to take responsibility for your actions. Also you could be scared of what will happen with your life with a child etc. So that is why I think that it should be mandatory to have a talk with some experts about this topic before being able to abort. May they can erase your fears, maybe they can give you a perspective etc. Also there is the problem with when you have a partner. Even If you or him do not want to have a child there should be at least a talk together with an expert in which every side can make arguments, etc and then decide together.

It will be difficult if the man does not want it but the women does because there is now the question of child support. If he does not have a job or barely hangs by he should not be forced to pay for it. Either you try to raise it on your own or you have to abort it. Especially when you tricked him into this pregnancy and yes these cases do happen.

Sounds like you build your views from youtube personalities and other people on the internet who have no idea what the fuck they're talking about.

I'm out of here. It's like trying to argue with 4chan, or r/redpill. Have fun NUgaf, keep congratulating each other for escaping the clutches of the fascist left, while you high five about how much you think feminism is wrong, white people are the real victims of racism, and gamergate was right all along. Keep going to Resetera in between your frequent bans, so you can come back here and call it REEEEEE-set era, and bump elbows with EvilLore who has no choice but to be friends with you, because his website would be fucking dead without you. Real good values being instilled here. Another breeding ground for ignorance that will never reclaim it's former glory.

I build my views on various sources but I love how you first told me this

Your responses on marital rape, maternity leave, and contraception show that you support some of the current goals of feminism, so I don't know why you would be against it.

and when I did not consider myself a feminist you dismiss me as MRA/Redpill bullshit.

People like you are the reason I think modern Feminism is not only outdated but also fucking dangerous.

 

[Sàmban]

Claiming “but when Gaf was librul dey dit it too!!” is not an excuse. I don’t entirely disagree that at one point Gaf became abit of a “look at these stupid trump people” clusterfuck. But you are doing the same shit, except now Gaf is whoefully lacking in quality content.

Like, it’s fine if you want to discuss issues that men/boys are facing such as poorer educational outcomes, suicides, mental health, rape etc. These are all legit issues.

Why not talk about that? Why make a thread just to bitch about feminists? If you feel like feminists aren’t advocating for some male issue then fucking talk about it like a goddamn adult instead of making 4chan threads.

Where are the threads discussing the very real issues that conservatives are facing with the Republican Party (i.e. the alarming amount of radicals that actually hold positions of power, unqualified people like Betsy DeVos and others holding office, the failure to diversify the party in an increasingly diverse America).

Why are Gaf conservatives not also talking about these issues and only bitching at liberals?

Your party has a problem conservative Gaf. Putting your head in the sand and bitching about libruls is not going to solve it. When Betsy DeVos does whatever the fuck she’s doing, when your leadership has people trying to “revive coal” or people who think climate change is a hoax, YOU ARE GETTING FUCKED WITH THE REST OF US.

You can start discussing these problems and holding your leaders/party accountable or you can keep burying your heads in the sand while making threads on Gaf about dem libruls.

It’s all on you.

 

[Zog]

Like, it’s fine if you want to discuss issues that men/boys are facing such as poorer educational outcomes, suicides, mental health, rape etc. These are all legit issues.

This thread is an open book and many things are being discussed, still complaining almost 200 posts in about the way the thread started just means that YOU are part of the problem. You want to talk about the things that YOU approve of then by all means, start talking. I believe most of the things on your list have already been mentioned but feel free to dive deeper into them.

Personally, I would prefer that you leave politics out of it, we aren't all card carrying Republicans or Democrats and it helps no one to go down that path.

 

[bitbydeath]

For all of the "Modern feminism has gone too far/is unnecessary" people. What are your thoughts on genital mutilation? How about all of the honor killings in the middle east? All of the untested rape kits? Cat-calling? Marital rape being legal in many states still, despite many attempts at bills to change this? Maternity leave? Contraception not being covered by insurance? Religious agendas trying to govern what a woman can do with her body? The ENDA?

I mean fuck, we recently had a politician say that women have a natural defense against rape, if they don't want it the body has ways of shutting it down. This is a member of the House of Representatives saying this shit, and he's not even the most ignorant one. Feminism is obviously necessary, these people control the government of the most powerful nation in the world.

Feminism isn't just "blue haired SJWS" and people bitching about sexy girls in games. There are real, legitimate issues that are still being combated and saying it's "gone too far" just shows your ignorance about the real world, and how much you rely on other people on the internet who also have no idea what the fuck they're talking about to form your opinions.

Most of what you said stems from religion, I’m not against abolishing all religions.

 

[MazeHaze]

Abortion is a difficult topic for me.

1. Yes in terms of illness rape etc. you should be able to do an abortion without questioning.

2. For an accidents I do think that it is not that easy. So yes you should have the right but also you need to learn to take responsibility for your actions. Also you could be scared of what will happen with your life with a child etc. So that is why I think that it should be mandatory to have a talk with some experts about this topic before being able to abort. May they can erase your fears, maybe they can give you a perspective etc. Also there is the problem with when you have a partner. Even If you or him do not want to have a child there should be at least a talk together with an expert in which every side can make arguments, etc and then decide together.

It will be difficult if the man does not want it but the women does because there is now the question of child support. If he does not have a job or barely hangs by he should not be forced to pay for it. Either you try to raise it on your own or you have to abort it. Especially when you tricked him into this pregnancy and yes these cases do happen.



I build my views on various sources but I love how you first told me this



and when I did not consider myself a feminist you dismiss me as MRA/Redpill bullshit.

People like you are the reason I think modern Feminism is not only outdated but also fucking dangerous.

And people like you spouting this "feminism has gone too far" nonsense are the reason marital rape is still legal in a lot of areas in my country.

 

[Dunki]

And people like you spouting this "feminism has gone too far" nonsense are the reason marital rape is still legal in a lot of areas in my country.

I think your argumentation gets weaker and weaker to be honest. And no I am not the reason for it. Why not try to ask modern feminism to do some real work for equality instead of complaining about imaginary things like manspreading, sweat shaming or lynch people because of the shirt they were wearing.

But I digress Have a nice day. I will now go to bed^^

 

[Zog]

And people like you spouting this "feminism has gone too far" nonsense are the reason marital rape is still legal in a lot of areas in my country.

Who do you think opposes shared parenting in the US?

 

[bitbydeath]

And people like you spouting this "feminism has gone too far" nonsense are the reason marital rape is still legal in a lot of areas in my country.

No, that’s religion.

 

[StrikeNinja24]

Why would people be talking about anonline store for video games in this thread?

It's kind of funny you made that mistake though, because you're be no means the first to do this, and it resulted in them getting harassed and threatened a few years ago.

That's what happens when you post on your phone. Whoops.

 

[StrikeNinja24]

It's not that....it is that they were comparing it negatively to the past...when ideological bans were the norm and this thread would not have been possible. Saying that this place has gone down, or is now like 4chan or something...seems to me to be a wistful look back at the ideological conformity that used to predominate. And if someone really feels that way, there is a very well populated place where they can go to join in the latest agreement on this or that.

As to your last point....HELL YEAH! That's the idea.

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Simple as that.

But sure.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Real good values being instilled here. Another breeding ground for ignorance that will never reclaim it's former glory.

I know this guy is banned so I'm not answering him directly but rather this sentiment. I don't agree with the OP because you can't simplify stuff and use the lowest common denominator to define a group of people. Feminism isn't just one or two actions, but rather it's about the many different ways to think about a fuckton of things and there really isn't a strict set of rules of how you should think or behave. So yeah, some ways to look at any number of issues might be moronic, but it doesn't mean that everyone views it like that. Wapo and the Guardian are, IMO, notoriously braindead media that exist to please the Twitter generation that can't look at any issue beyond the surface level. It's hacky and poor journalism. But that doesn't mean whatever they write define the thing they're writing about. Basic stuff, but it's important to remember that idiot people exist everywhere.

However, the OP (or the post you quoted) is not at all offensive and while I haven't read the entire thread yet, it's possible to have a debate over it while disagreeing with what has been posted. Which wouldn't be possible in this "former glory" days of yore, when you had to approach this subject with a dogmatic yes sir, no sir mindset or you'd be gone. Those are not "real good values" that were "instilled" either.

My point is that yes when you see a thread like this it might shock slightly sensitive people and make them think that GAF turned into an evil alt-right Putin loving propaganda machine or whatever, but that's obviously far from the truth. Yes you have people who are biased against feminism and people who identify themselves as feminist. I guarantee you that you have both of these groups in Resetera right now as you did previously here. The difference is now people are allowed to voice their opinions and start a conversation instead of faking some "yeah guys the patriarchy really suck heh" and never ever learning fuck nothing.

 

[Xiaoki]

No, that’s religion.

There are many religious women, how many of them think that husbands raping their wives is fine?

 

[Zog]

There are many religious women, how many of them think that husbands raping their wives is fine?

What group do you think is 100% in favor of raping their husbands/wives?

 

[bitbydeath]

There are many religious women, how many of them think that husbands raping their wives is fine?

I dunno? If it’s for religious reasons I’d guess maybe 80% or even 90% would be comfortable with it.

Arranged marriages is one example, there are a lot worse examples out there but I didn’t want to post anything too grim.

 

[Dunki]

There are many religious women, how many of them think that husbands raping their wives is fine?

What is fine and what is not depends how you was manipulated and conditioned. Example: In Islamic States there are shows that teach men how to punish your wife in the religious right way. And do you think women are not trained to accept this there? So yes religion plays a huge part in it.

 

[It's Jeff]

Claiming “but when Gaf was librul dey dit it too!!” is not an excuse. I don’t entirely disagree that at one point Gaf became abit of a “look at these stupid trump people” clusterfuck. But you are doing the same shit, except now Gaf is whoefully lacking in quality content.

Like, it’s fine if you want to discuss issues that men/boys are facing such as poorer educational outcomes, suicides, mental health, rape etc. These are all legit issues.

Why not talk about that? Why make a thread just to bitch about feminists? If you feel like feminists aren’t advocating for some male issue then fucking talk about it like a goddamn adult instead of making 4chan threads.

Where are the threads discussing the very real issues that conservatives are facing with the Republican Party (i.e. the alarming amount of radicals that actually hold positions of power, unqualified people like Betsy DeVos and others holding office, the failure to diversify the party in an increasingly diverse America).

Why are Gaf conservatives not also talking about these issues and only bitching at liberals?

Your party has a problem conservative Gaf. Putting your head in the sand and bitching about libruls is not going to solve it. When Betsy DeVos does whatever the fuck she’s doing, when your leadership has people trying to “revive coal” or people who think climate change is a hoax, YOU ARE GETTING FUCKED WITH THE REST OF US.

You can start discussing these problems and holding your leaders/party accountable or you can keep burying your heads in the sand while making threads on Gaf about dem libruls.

It’s all on you.

Yeah, that's true. I'm thinking things were pushed so far in one direction that the pendulum is correcting itself a bit forcefully.

Great thread ideas, I'd love to see them.

 

[Vorg]

I love how the level headed posters who are saying what the mods don't want to hear are the ones getting warnings. How about modding the posts containing blatant misogyny, lies and alt-right propaganda?

 

[bitbydeath]

I love how the level headed posters who are saying what the mods don't want to hear are the ones getting warnings. How about modding the posts containing blatant misogyny, lies and alt-right propaganda?

I looked back and saw three posts-

1st. Was being disrespectful towards women.
2nd. Was ranting about open conversation.
3rd. Wanted to talk about gamergate.

Did you mean this thread or somewhere else?

 

[llien]

Like, it’s fine if you want to discuss issues that men/boys are facing such as poorer educational outcomes, suicides, mental health, rape etc. These are all legit issues.

Why not talk about that? Why make a thread just to bitch about feminists?

This thread has turned into "bitching" and OP could have been less baity, but the push to give women even more leeway apparently is very real and looks like applied in practice in UK.

 

[Tumle]

I love how the level headed posters who are saying what the mods don't want to hear are the ones getting warnings. How about modding the posts containing blatant misogyny, lies and alt-right propaganda?

Hmmm I must have missed them?
But if you point those posts out to the mods, then I’m sure they will take care of them..
Also personal attack’s and shit posting about how alt-right gaf is for having a more diverse debate with more right leaning people being able to join in,
is not level headed, that’s called being closed minded and fearful of different opinions..

 

[-Minsc-]

I didn't make it two days before I came in here. A thread title like "Because Feminism is About Equality" makes me want to both avoid and jump into the fire. There's not really much I can say on the topic. I can be a hypocrite, just as a person calling themselves feminist. I can do great things, just as people calling themselves feminist. Honestly, I rather attempt to judge a person as an individual over judging a labeled collective. Easier said than done though.

 

[Snoopycat]

One word, adoption.

Who is going to adopt these children when the world is already full of unwanted kids?

 

[Arkhan]

I love how the level headed posters who are saying what the mods don't want to hear are the ones getting warnings. How about modding the posts containing blatant misogyny, lies and alt-right propaganda?

Here? There are three warnings I can see in this thread. The first was for a straight up shit post, and the other two were for 'GAF sucks now because opinions not my own exist' posts. Those people are not level headed. A level headed person could discuss their opposing view point without despairing at the state of a forum because of a post they don't like. There is nothing calm and sensible about that behavior.

If you are referring to something else, let me know.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

Modern femimism and 'equality' is so great that it creates an unsustainable population. So much so that you have to ‘top up’ the numbers with the most misogynistic and anti feminist people on the planet. Which long term will only lead to one thing, no more feminism.

It’s a deeply flawed concept which doesn’t align with the true nature of humans and most other animals.