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[Xisiqomelir]

So....remember we were talking about the ever-widening divergence of critical from popular opinion? Something just popped which illustrates this beautifully.

RT's Jeff Giles decided to put out a piece listing "ALL STAR WARS MOVIES RANKED BEST TO WORST BY TOMATOMETER". I clicked it with great trepidation, and as I feared, it was the "professional critics" list. To spare you all the click, here's that list with scores, and I threw in Solo for completeness (something Jeff elected not to do):

1. Episode 5 - The Empire Strikes Back 95%
2. Episode 7 - The Force Awakens 93%
3. Episode 4 - A New Hope 93%
4. Episode 8 - The Last Jedi 91%
5. Side-story 1 - Rogue 1 85%
6. Episode 6 - Return of the Jedi 80%
7. Episode 3 - Revenge of the Sith 79%
8. Side-story 2 - Solo 70%
9. Episode 2 - Attack of the Clones 66%
10. Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace 55%

As expected, all the most amusing gimmicks and works come to play in this hilarious bit, ROTJ's hilariously low ranking, ANH ranking below the movie which rips it off despite having an identical score, TLJ being ahead of anything whatsoever.

However, something Jeff neglects to mention is the staggering difference when you compare the above list with the audience-rated list, which I enumerate for you below (also including Solo):

1. Episode 5 - The Empire Strikes Back 97%
2. Episode 4 - A New Hope 96%
3. Episode 6 - Return of the Jedi 94%
4. Episode 7 - The Force Awakens 88%
5. Side-story 1 - Rogue 1 87%
6. Episode 3 - Revenge of the Sith 65%
7. Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace 59%
8. Episode 2 - Attack of the Clones 57%
9. Side-story 2 - Solo 55%
10. Episode 8 - The Last Jedi 46%

I flirted with the idea of peak cultural divergence between critics and audiences arriving soon, but I think we are already there gentle folk of GAF. The chasm of taste has yawned into an abyss.

EDIT: Prettified graph thanks to MoFuzz :

 

[KevinKeene]

The hate against the prequel trilogy never ceases to amaze me. Episode 1 is my favorite Star Wars-movie. Come at me!

 

[kunonabi]

The audience list is much closer to how I'd rank them although I'd have all the Disney stuff at the bottom and the PT films above RotJ. I find the critics score for TLJ so confusing because the film is so poorly made regardless of how it functions as a SW film.

 

[bigedole]

Yeah, my personal tastes are much closer to the audience list. I didn't think TLJ was worse than TPM or AotC though.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

The hate against the prequel trilogy never ceases to amaze me. Episode 1 is my favorite Star Wars-movie. Come at me!

It is your right as a human to like what you like. But you are wrong and it’s gross and disgusting

 

[MastAndo]

I think the discrepancy is in that critics are reviewing these films moreso as a standalone movie (though naturally, not entirely) whereas vocal fans are reviewing from the perspective of a Star Wars nerd. For example, I don't think TLJ in and of itself was a bad movie (and definitely not 46% bad), but when viewed through the eyes of a fan as part of a greater whole in the Star Wars universe, it does a lot of disservice to those expecting more, hence the harshness. As a result, it elicited a lot of knee-jerk reactions from salty fanboys, but there's no way it's the worst Star Wars movie ever.

 

[Grinchy]

I just can't take RT seriously as a means of telling me what movies are good. Terrible movies can achieve "certified fresh" status, and as is the case with TLJ, terrible movies can have massively high scores. It just doesn't feel like a genuine aggregate of reviews to me. A movie could get a 3/5 from every reviewer on their approved list, and that would be a 100% score and would land it as their highest scoring movie of all time. It's just such a meaningless metric.

Yeah, my personal tastes are much closer to the audience list. I didn't think TLJ was worse than TPM or AotC though.

Nothing is worse than TPM! (Sorry KevinKeene lol)

 

[KevinKeene]

No worries, I'm used to having minority opinions.


*cries*

 

[Basoes]

No worries, I'm used to having minority opinions.


*cries*

please don't cry here, go over there to the corner, where we don't have to see the bad opinion.

 

[Kadayi]

I can't say I cared for the prequels but at least I could just forget about them. The later films, however, have pretty much just undermined and undone everything that came afterwards. I can get behind wanting to broaden the demographic appeal of the franchise, but I think it was a huge mistake to go down the remix/reset nostalgia bucks road as they did with JJ Abrams by effectively bring back the Empire and then just turning Han into a broken old grifter, Luke into a curmudgeon, etc. I mean jeez, how about coming up with some complete new enemy and not just doing a repaint on the Empire? Wasn't the arc of IV through VI all about defeating the Empire and overthrowing the Emperor?

I don't view TLJ as any more offensive than TFA when all is said and done. Abrams took the franchise out back and shot it with what he did, and Johnson just fed the remains through the woodchipper.

Disney rushed into production way too soon and needed to employ a director with some actual vision for where the universe should have been 30 years later versus the abject nonsense of the Abrams reset. The idea that any of the principal heroes behind the defeat of the Empire 30 years previously would be pretty much panhandling like Han was just beggars belief.

Compare and contrast with what Villeneuve did with Blade Runner 2049. The people behind that spent months figuring out what the world of Blade Runner would be like 30 years on from the events of the first movie and the way things had changed and what had happened. Regardless of whether you liked the end result or not, you can't deny that there was a coherent Vision at work in the production.

The worst part for Disney, of course, is having basically shit the bed from a creative perspective, not only are they obligated to roll around in the excrement for the next movie at the very least (and 3 more if Johnson isn't dismissed) but short of a complete franchise reboot what they're come up with is canon.

GJ Disney

I think the IP is on the outs and albeit it will always generate money, I struggle to see how they are going to redeem it, least of all given their proposed production cycle.

 

[gioGAF]

Lol at critic list. The audience list, on the other hand, is spot on. Can't vouch for Solo, since I haven't seen that one.

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

Interesting that The Last Jedi shows the biggest discrepancy between lists, sitting either above even the original trilogy's final chapter or all the way down at dead last for the franchise.

I still haven't watched it, but I lost all investment in this franchise and dropped out from viewing anything post-Force Awakens, once I saw Disney turning this into another braindead pop-culture factory like the Marvel films. But now I'm curious to see just how terrible TLJ is. A rental, one night soon.

 

[CaliggyJack]

No worries, I'm used to having minority opinions.


*cries*

Phantom Menace is my all time favorite Star Wars movie as well. You are not alone my brother.

I do somewhat diagree with both the audience and critics list. For me it would be more like.

Episode 1
Episode 5
Rogue One
Episode 6
Ewoks: The Battle for Endor
Episode 7
Episode 4
Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure
Episode 2
Episode 8
Episode 3

(I have not seen Solo yet)

 

[SirKicksalot]

The audience list is probably heavily influenced by RLM. I used to buy into their thing but then I rewatched the prequels. Episode 2 is fun as hell!
The prequels are underrated. I think people are going to warm up to them.

There's a whole generation that grew up consuming prequel-flavoured Star Wars and the new movies are their version of prequel disappointment. You think these people like the world of the new episodes more than the awesome creativity of the Clone Wars era? As for the new characters, LOL. Adam Driver's the Ewan McGregor of these new flicks, the newcomers will get the Hayden treatment and Oscar Isaac and the celebrity bit parts will keep on trucking like before. Actually, Rey is so boring and Boyega is so wasted they're not even going to ascend to Hayden meme status, and so far nobody's pulling a memorable Palpatine-tier performance.

I have a bad feeling about the future of the sequels, by the way. The story is so shit and the stakes so low they must be dropping the trilogy format. What the hell is even going on in the story, two episodes in? What are people looking forward to in Episode IX, other than maybe Rey fucking Kylo and, uh...?
At least Rogue One was spectacular and delivered the goods - that one's going to stand out among the Disney Star Wars movies in the future.

 

[GoldenEye98]

The audience list is probably heavily influenced by RLM. I used to buy into their thing but then I rewatched the prequels. Episode 2 is fun as hell!
The prequels are underrated. I think people are going to warm up to them.

There's a whole generation that grew up consuming prequel-flavoured Star Wars and the new movies are their version of prequel disappointment. You think these people like the world of the new episodes more than the awesome creativity of the Clone Wars era? As for the new characters, LOL. Adam Driver's the Ewan McGregor of these new flicks, the newcomers will get the Hayden treatment and Oscar Isaac and the celebrity bit parts will keep on trucking like before. Actually, Rey is so boring and Boyega is so wasted they're not even going to ascend to Hayden meme status, and so far nobody's pulling a memorable Palpatine-tier performance.

I have a bad feeling about the future of the sequels, by the way. The story is so shit and the stakes so low they must be dropping the trilogy format. What the hell is even going on in the story, two episodes in? What are people looking forward to in Episode IX, other than maybe Rey fucking Kylo and, uh...?
At least Rogue One was spectacular and delivered the goods - that one's going to stand out among the Disney Star Wars movies in the future.

It's weird because I have nostalgia towards the prequels now that the new ones are coming out the same way I did towards the originals when the prequels were coming out.

Agree with you on Rogue One as well.

 

[Xisiqomelir]

I still haven't watched it, but I lost all investment in this franchise and dropped out from viewing anything post-Force Awakens, once I saw Disney turning this into another braindead pop-culture factory like the Marvel films. But now I'm curious to see just how terrible TLJ is. A rental, one night soon.

I'm curious to read your review

 

[KINGMOKU]

Audience list is spot on with the last jedi.

That movie isn't just the worst star wars film, its just a plain bad movie. I speak from a...place of understanding and the direction on the last jedi is embarrassing. Just brutal and picking up that paycheck should have been difficult to think you've done a good job week to week.

Cheap, and sell out come to mind immediately.

 

[JDB]

TLJ was fine.

 

[finowns]

The hate against the prequel trilogy never ceases to amaze me. Episode 1 is my favorite Star Wars-movie. Come at me!

I also like ep. 1, Qui-Gon Jinn and Darth Maul were memorable. And I’ve said this before but I still watch the prequels when they come on the movie channels, they are fun.

 

[King of Foxes]

TLJ is the worst Kennedy-Johnson failure since the Vietnam war

 

[RubxQub]

TLJ is the worst Kennedy-Johnson failure since the Vietnam war

Man, I actually liked TLJ but that burn is so spicy I have to give you props.

...

As for these lists in general, I find RT to be a solid indicator to general quality of a movie. There is definitely a correlation between what the RT score is and my personal opinion of things, so I would never outright ignore it. But I view it more as a sentiment score than an absolute one.

Something getting in the “fresh” zone after a significant sample of critics have weighed in (regardless of score) will generally mean that the movie isn’t a failure and would be worth seeing if I had a general interest in it. If something I wanted to see got a rotten score after the same substantial sample size, I’d definitely hesitate. This is proven to be true in most cases for me.

But RT isn’t really helping me make decisions on Star Wars properties. I’m putting my butt in the seat Day 1 for all the mainline stories. All the off-shoot stuff is a case by case thing.

 

[Petrae]

Disney managed to do what the prequels could not: kill my fandom. That’s why I’d rank the Disney Star Wars films at the very bottom of my list.

I didn’t bother with The Last Jedi, and I won’t bother with Solo. The Force Awakens and Rogue One gave me enough of an insight of where the franchise was going— and I’m good just divorcing myself from it.

In addition, there’s just too much Star Wars now. I’m tired of it. I never thought that could happen, but the movies are now matters-of-fact instead of events and there’s Star Wars shit everywhere. It’s at sporting events. It floods stores with tons of tchotchkes and merchandise. There’s going to be a streaming series (at least one). The franchise isn’t special anymore. It’s old hat.

This is what Disney does, though. It buys properties and floods the market with them (see also: Marvel shit). The difference between Star Wars and Marvel for me is that I was into Star Wars before Disney ruined it, while I was never really invested in Marvel comic books before the non-stop parade of movies and merch.

 

[Kadayi]

TLJ is the worst Kennedy-Johnson failure since the Vietnam war

 

[Bolivar687]

While I never hated the prequels, I have a vastly renewed appreciation for what George Lucas did in light of the sequels. They're actual movies with plots and character arcs, that introduce new settings and planets. The sequels are a kind of derivative-work Hades, where the characters are eternally condemned to reenact, relitigate, and slavishly rehash what has already happened in the series.

We have enough of a data sample to call Star Wars what it is now: it's Transformers. Large scale special effects blockbusters that draw upon a recognizable IP and have no real creative reason to exist behind them.

I want to echo KevinKeene in that I absolutely love Episode I: The Phantom Menace. After my last few rewatches, I think it's criminally underrated and has aged very well. It stands out from the other prequels because, for the most part, it's just real actors, some of which are really good, acting on real sets. The CGI didn't hit the uncanny valley, where the destroyer droids actually look better there than they do in the later episodes. I don't necessarily subscribe to the Ring Theory, but I feel Lucas was out on a redemption mission after Return of the Jedi, which looking back seems like a rush job to push out the rest of the saga's ideas and conclude the trilogy. Both take place largely on a lush planet with alien denizens living in harmony with an ecosystem, feature Palpatine quite a bit, and end with a multi-front battle on land, in space, and culminating with a lightsaber duel. It's a much larger, sprawling sci fi epic in scope than RotJ, with more characters, plot threads, and themes. I watched it again with my wife, who saw it for the first time, and in the middle of the podracing scene, she just had to turn to me and say: "this is insane."

Kadayi also hit the nail on the head with the contrast to Blade Runner. It's clear that Disney had no interest at all in exploring the details of what the universe would look like and this is another way in which they fall short of what Lucas always did with the franchise. His world had unique cultures to them, which intersects with the progress of the story. There is no anthropology to Kennedy's Star Wars - it's just a generic sci fi universe. The scene of the residents of the capital planet being destroyed in TFA could have just as easily been portraying the Star Trek universe.

I hope Disney realizes where they've gone wrong eventually but I doubt they can change course, with the pressure to create another billion-grosser every year.

 

[SonicSleuth]

Solo is freaking terrible. It's essentially the JJ Abrams Star Trek... converted to Star Wars. With a 5'9" wimp pretending to be a 6'1" action hero. How in the hell Disney let that movie get off the ground is beyond me, but they were right to fire the directors, who were basically making unfunny fan fiction.

 

[SirKicksalot]

The previous directors are the only reason I cared about Solo. Recent reports are saying they were fired because they asked for overtime every day and kept doing take after take. Bet they were trying to figure out an interesting way of telling this story.

I like Ron Howard too but it's clear he was brought in to execute Kasdan's vision without any creative spark. Turns out Kasdan was wrong. Lord and Miller are probably laughing their asses off right now.

 

[Future]

Phantom Menace deserves to be at the bottom. WTF is the user audience thinking. The acting, the overall plot and story, the big moments, jar jar, the overusage of green screen.... the fucking worst. Even worse when you remember that this set the tone, style and world design that would be used for the remaining prequel trilogy.

Rotten tomatoes critics is a good indicator of movie quality, much more than the user score IMO. But user score is a better indicator on how enjoyable a movie might be. Even though phantom menace was pure ass, seeing the cameos of other Star Wars characters, the hints towards future events in the original trilogy, darth maul and staff lightsaber, and just the pure nostalgic memory of the movie probably made it a much more enjoyable experience for many compared to its overall quality. Critics often look past that

 

[Punchpudding]

The weight and size of the franchise is a blessing and a curse but it just seems like the new direction takes too much for granted—"everybody already knows the force, the sith, jedi, lightsabers, etc it’s boring now! Let the past die!”. The problem is that there were themes that stuck with the public for a reason: Lucas put a lot of thought convincing people that it made sense.

Convincing people of your vision is incredibly difficult for a writer/director and Lucas had to create a whole mythology and religion for his universe. And it worked. The Jedi spout a bunch of hokey sayings but I was convinced they were profound. I was convinced telekinesis and other force tricks were possible with the right training. I was convinced the galaxy could be ruled by fascist, religious fanatics through cunning and violence. I was convinced by the motivations of the central protagonists and antagonists. The OT and to some degree the prequels pulled it off.

With the new sequels (as great as their production values are), there is little effort to convince you of anything; it is just assumed everybody will accept it because it’s Star Wars. The biggest example would be Luke’s character in TLJ. There is no effort to convince you of his motivations or why he does what he does. You just have to accept it. So much of the motivation, rationale, and story arc of all the main characters and parties are handwaved away. It’s a terrible strategy if you are trying to build on the lore of the universe.

I agree mostly with the audience-rated list. I think the production values and general execution of the new sequels might put them slightly ahead of the prequels but I honestly think the prequels have more heart and lore building. The critic list is a bunch of garbage though.

 

[cubicle47b]

That audience review order is spot-on. I don't think any of the movies below The Force Awakens / Rogue One on it are worth watching.

 

[OH-MyCar]

There is no anthropology to Kennedy's Star Wars - it's just a generic sci fi universe. The scene of the residents of the capital planet being destroyed in TFA could have just as easily been portraying the Star Trek universe.

For me, that's the single best summation of the problem with Disney Star Wars. I got an undergrad in Anthropology & Classics because Star Wars & Indiana laid the foundation for all of that silly, over-referenced Joseph Campbell, Heroes Journey stuff in my mind as a child. Of course that's no longer the field that pays me, but to me? Anthropology is inextricable from what he created. Don't believe that? Look up every single interview with him since the beginning of time, where he says the exact same thing: "My interests were in Anthropology and (paraphrased) Star Wars coalesced out of that". Anthropology and cars are pretty much the entire A to Z of George Lucas's influences.

There is no life to Disney Star Wars; no world building, no history, no culture. It's just a bunch of hollow, aesthetic references to the OT to keep everyone in a state of nostalgic infantilism so they'll keep buying toys. Even if George monetized the hell out of the franchise, it was never quite at that level.

 

[SirKicksalot]

Lucas put a lot of thought convincing people that it made sense.

Convincing people of your vision is incredibly difficult for a writer/director and Lucas had to create a whole mythology and religion for his universe. And it worked. The Jedi spout a bunch of hokey sayings but I was convinced they were profound. I was convinced telekinesis and other force tricks were possible with the right training. I was convinced the galaxy could be ruled by fascist, religious fanatics through cunning and violence. I was convinced by the motivations of the central protagonists and antagonists. The OT and to some degree the prequels pulled it off.

With the new sequels (as great as their production values are), there is little effort to convince you of anything; it is just assumed everybody will accept it because it’s Star Wars. The biggest example would be Luke’s character in TLJ. There is no effort to convince you of his motivations or why he does what he does. You just have to accept it. So much of the motivation, rationale, and story arc of all the main characters and parties are handwaved away. It’s a terrible strategy if you are trying to build on the lore of the universe.

.

This is why Rogue One worked for me. It built upon Episodes 2, 3 and 4. The characters worked, despite the clumsy storytelling of the first 20 minutes. Some people expect movies to be friend simulators, I just need a simple character whose motivations I understand.
The father-daughter relationship worked for me more than anything in TFA.
The blind dude, his friend and Jedha made the Force feel mystical (and I don't have a problem with midichlorians). This genuinely felt like a fresh perspective, especially since one year earlier some guy was stopping lasers mid-air. The movies rave about the Force being everywhere and shit but when's the last time the Force was portrayed as a subtle influence? Jedha and these dudes are the only successful worldbuilding Disney Star Wars does. I also like how Rogue One develops the Imperial machine and expands a bit on the Rebellion, it feels like a natural expansion of 4-6 and it's a better effort than 2 and 3's Trade Federation business.

On top of all this it had some of the best Wars and it looked fantastic. TFA is a boring looking flick, TLJ is a sterile mess and based on the trailers Solo was shot in grayscale.

 

[caffeware]

1. Episode 5 - The Empire Strikes Back 97%
2. Episode 4 - A New Hope 96%
3. Episode 6 - Return of the Jedi 94%
4. Episode 7 - The Force Awakens 88%
5. Side-story 1 - Rogue 1 87%
6. Episode 3 - Revenge of the Sith 65%
7. Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace 59%
8. Episode 2 - Attack of the Clones 57%
9. Side-story 2 - Solo 55%
10. Episode 8 - The Last Jedi 46%

I have hope in the masses.

 

[Fbh]

Audience list is definitely more in line with my own although I'd place TFA lower.

I never thought I'd say this but I prefer the prequels over the new movies. They had a lot of issues but at least they offered a different look at the Star Wars universe during a different time instead of pretty much the exact same setup as the originals. At least they had some cool locations instead of the same sort of places we already saw. Ateast it introduced some interesting characters or showed us interesting new sides to the ones we knew. I even enjoyed the silly over the top fights. Say what you want about Joda fighting but everyone in the showing I went to was like "Holy shit!!" when he took out his sword (a cheap memorable fan service scene is still better than no memorable scene at all). Hell, Darth Maul with almost no dialog and dying at the end of episode 1 was more memorable than any of the new characters. Even the soundtrack was better (that track during the final fight of episode 1 is almost as iconic of star wars to me as the main theme ).




Rogue One was pretty good though.

 

[CaliggyJack]

Solo is absolutely BOMBING at the box office...

45 Million so far since release with a budget of over 150 Million.

Poor Ron Howard...

 

[King of Foxes]

Solo is absolutely BOMBING at the box office...

45 Million so far since release with a budget of over 150 Million.

Poor Ron Howard...

The end result of all this is that, according to the most recent reports, Solo: A Star Wars Story cost over $250 million.

https://screenrant.com/solo-movie-budget-cost-star-wars/

 

[CaliggyJack]

https://screenrant.com/solo-movie-budget-cost-star-wars/

This just in.

Apparently Disney already knew this movie would fail...

https://www.screengeek.net/2017/12/24/disney-expects-solo-a-star-wars-story-to-bomb/

 

[Grinchy]

I feel like I'm in the minority, but I really enjoyed TFA and it set me up to be pretty hopeful for the Disney-run trilogy. It felt like they had their shit together and had a clear vision of where things were headed.

I thought Rogue One was a pile of trash, but it was a side story so it didn't matter. Then TLJ came out and was a terrible movie with seemingly no clear plan in place anymore for how this series was supposed to pan out. And if you didn't like it, according to J.J. Abrams, it's only because you're threatened by women.

Now we may have a massive bomb despite the giant Star Wars logo. If this movie bombs, it really opens the door for the reality that the general audience is not just buying tickets every time they see that logo. How did Disney fuck it all up so much after TFA?

 

[OH-MyCar]

I feel like I'm in the minority, but I really enjoyed TFA and it set me up to be pretty hopeful for the Disney-run trilogy. It felt like they had their shit together and had a clear vision of where things were headed.

I also enjoyed TFA and thought it was what it essentially "needed to be"; a decent foundation. I saw it three times in theaters. People bitch about mystery boxes, but the entire point of the film was for set-up this time around. TLJ didn't make me realize that it was bad from the beginning, but retroactively made it bad from the beginning ("Rey is a mary sue? Well let's wait and see how that pans ou.. no, wait. Yep. Nevermind"). If TLJ built upon TFA in any meaningful way, TFA would be just as good if not better. Now I can't even watch TFA nor do I have any interest in however they attempt to save it. It's like finding half of a cockroach in your dinner and the waiter assuring you the dessert was made on another table.

Now the only thing I have any respect for under the Disney regime is what Dave Filoni is doing, and even then Rebels really dragged in comparison to the Clone Wars.

 

[Baskin Robbins]

I usually scoff at Critic reviews. Those people want to stay on good terms with the studios, so of course their ratings will be higher than the audience reviews.

I actually enjoy reading the audience reviews because it's just a person, like me, who doesn't give a shit about keeping good with the studios and is just telling it like it is. More times than not, I see eye to eye with the audience than the critics.

Also, have you read some of those reviews for The Last Jedi, from the critics? I cringed into a new life form!

As well:

TLJ is the worst Kennedy-Johnson failure since the Vietnam war

The execution was razor.

 

[-hal-]

I thought I was a SW fan... saw all the originals in the theater during their first run. Read books, collected stuff.

I just don't get all the hand-wringing about prequels and sequels. I'm sure the audience reviews have been heavily influenced by review bombing from people expressing their unobjective outrage.

Let's not kid ourselves, outside The Empire Strikes Back, they're all flawed in some way or another. I accept that and enjoy them collectively.

 

[SirKicksalot]

Can someone explain what Solo's hook was?
When Rogue One's teaser dropped it showed AT-ATs fighting on a tropical beach and those awesome shots of the Death Star and the fleet. The other trailers had more stunning imagery and warfare. The premise was simple but had a lot of promise, it allowed your imagination to run wild and wonder what happens outside of the plans being stolen.
When the movie launched Tarkin was a big surprise and the awesome action drove positive word of mouth. Contrarians tried to paint the ending as bad fan-service when in reality the entire third act put many butts in seats.

Meanwhile, Solo looks like a grey turd. The main visual hook was some tentacles in a cloud or something. The premise was badly sold, I mean I don't actually know what the movie is supposed to be about. Young Solo Origins is not interesting by default but that's what the trailers sold. WOW IT'S THE MILLENNIUM FALCON worked in the 2014 TFA teaser, especially when everyone assumed Harrison Ford is piloting... Then they repeated it and nobody cared. WOW IT'S HAN AND CHEWIE - worked when it was fresh in 2015, not now when... some guy is in the chair next to Chewie.

They tried to sell the movie on something they already sold TFA with, and this time without the beloved actor.

As for the big surprise, as someone who doesn't give a fuck about the cartoons and is not going to rely on outside media to explain the movies, it's fucking retarded. It was retarded when I heard about it in the context of those cartoons and it's even worse now that the movies acknowledge it.

 

[EBE]

Solo is actually my favorite entry into new star wars lol
I don't much like the mainline entries. I don't like Rey or the new cast and find the two films much too derivative of past works. Rogue One didn't matter but I thought it was fun enough.
Solo has a fun cast and moves at pace.

 

[Nikana]

Solo is actually my favorite entry into new star wars lol
I don't much like the mainline entries. I don't like Rey or the new cast and find the two films much too derivative of past works. Rogue One didn't matter but I thought it was fun enough.
Solo has a fun cast and moves at pace.

Thanks
Did you steal my brain?

Just got out of Solo and as a fan since I couldn't talk, Solo is by far the best entry since Disney took over. Episode 7 and 8 have no effing idea what it means to be a star wars movie while rogue one and Solo are actually Star Wars movies.

 

[Kenpachii]

I find them all bad after the original 3. I did liked the one with the little kid with his race car and that 2 light saber devil guy.

The endless milking from disney isn't helping. The new star wars all of them have been god awful.

 

[prag16]

The audience list is probably heavily influenced by RLM.

Heh, I doubt the general public has any clue what the hell RLM is. Unless the premise is that those stupid Plinkett reviews inspire mass score-bombing.

 

[ruvikx]

Han Solo was only iconic & universally acclaimed because something something Harrison Ford. I can only surmise the execs at Disney are literal idiots for believing the character Han Solo was 'popular' as a result of the lore or the writing, when in effect it was merely Harrison Ford during his glory years (1980's) stealing every scene in the movies. He was the apex star of the epoch & people loved his charisma. Put someone else in his shoes (namely a lesser actor) & voilà, Solo isn't Solo anymore.

"Oh yes, let's cast a complete unknown in the role of Han Solo & we'll bank one billion dollars, easy-peasy-lemon-squeezy"!".

Disney have no idea what they're doing. Suddenly George Lucas's valuation & sale of the franchise is starting to look like really good business.

 

[caffeware]

I think I would enjoy Solo, but after TLJ I'm only watching SW in redbox.

 

[llien]

Critics that dared not to like TLJ were called out, perhaps that explains the disparity (and perhaps that's why we'll see more of it).

 

[Denton]

That audience ranking is on point with exception of TFA which should be lower.

I am glad Solo is a bomb, I was hoping all my fellow TLJ dislikers would ignore further Disney SW movies.

 

[Weilthain]

Solo was amazing, last Jedi was big disappointment after force awakens, which was awesome. Rogue one was good.

I like what they set up with solo for sequels