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[Louis Cyphre]

Nothing humbles you like falling on your face, which MS did in 2013. All the policy reversals and new services should tell you that they aren't the same arrogant MS they were 5 years ago. It seems plain to me. That's the effect of failure. It humbles you. Just like it humbled Sony last gen.



Could've but I'm talking about now. You're saying you don't believe that things have changed, and that's fine. I'm just pointing out that, unless they made this move (bought new studios), there would have been no opportunity to prove anything. It's unfair to both criticize the purchases and to ask them to prove things have changed. You won't get one without the other.


I believe it has something to do with the personnel changes that we've been referencing. People in positions of power were not fans of Xbox and blocked investment. Those obstacles are out of the way, which is why you see a sudden shift in investment strategy.

If you're asking why they didn't make the personnel changes earlier, I don't know. It was a mistake. But the changes have been made now.



That's fine. I mean, it's wait and see for me, too. I'm just more optimistic about it than you are.

I think it's pretty safe to say most people are more optimistic about it than he is but like you said, it is unfair to criticize the purchase while asking them to improve things. You can tell his expectations are not realistic because he thinks it will take an entire generation before people have faith in them again. The Switch has shown you can have by far the worst selling system and still come out flying and that not everyone takes things to such a personal level as he does. If the next Xbox has a decent line-up and the hardware is good most consumers will see that, the majority of gamers don't hold grudges for an entire generation.

 

[Hudo]

My Sega comment was more in relation to rumors prior to E3 and said somewhat tongue in cheek.

Ah, OK. My bad. Sorry!

 

[hiphopcr]

and the xbox has good exclusives? And you have no idea how powerful the next xbox will be or the features of both consoles so your original comment just seems like blind fanboying.

I didn't say that. You were the one claiming the PS4 had the best power and features this gen.

 

[Grandmaster Hash]

I didn't say that. You were the one claiming the PS4 had the best power and features this gen.

it did at the start of the generation. When it came out it was the most powerful, had the most features, and had the best games. You for some reason don't want to admit that and are trying to make it seem that MS was always doing fine this gen when they bombed hard at the start and have yet to bridge the gap of good games which is the main feature of a console

 

[Dabaus]

I just wonder what the gaming budgets are for each company. Say Sony's is 2 billion a year (I have no idea, and that sounds like a lot) then I wonder MS's would be? Like how much of their budget is going towards buying new studios and is it a permanent increase or a temporary thing to get set up for next gen?

 

[hiphopcr]

it did at the start of the generation. When it came out it was the most powerful, had the most features, and had the best games. You for some reason don't want to admit that and are trying to make it seem that MS was always doing fine this gen when they bombed hard at the start and have yet to bridge the gap of good games which is the main feature of a console

Ah, didn't realize we were limited to only discussing the start of the generation.

 

[Chaostar]

Remember when that MS exec thought they owned Donkey Kong after buying Rare? Maybe they think they would be getting Fallout or KotOR with Obsidian

This:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/one-...ned-donkey-kong-when-they-bought-rare.608736/

lol

 

[Grandmaster Hash]

Ah, didn't realize we were limited to only discussing the start of the generation.

maybe you're can't read well idk but i clearly said ps4 'had' the most power not 'has'. You essentially said a powerful console with lots of features and good games has never existed in the history of the games industry on release and I said that the ps4 HAD all of those things. So what if MS closed the gap 5 years later? That's fucking irrelevant because you were clearly talking about the launch of the next gen not whatever MS scrambles together to recoup from the pounding from the competition after releasing an inferior machine. And again you still haven't said why anything about the next xbox will be 'unprecedented'. There is no evidence to your point and you are just being a blind MS fanboy

 

[hiphopcr]

maybe you're can't read well idk but i clearly said ps4 'had' the most power not 'has'. You essentially said a powerful console with lots of features and good games has never existed in the history of the games industry on release and I said that the ps4 HAD all of those things. So what if MS closed the gap 5 years later? That's fucking irrelevant because you were clearly talking about the launch of the next gen not whatever MS scrambles together to recoup from the pounding from the competition after releasing an inferior machine. And again you still haven't said why anything about the next xbox will be 'unprecedented'. There is no evidence to your point and you are just being a blind MS fanboy

Game Pass is unprecedented. Giving away all first party games for a low monthly subscription as well as hundreds of others is unprecedented value. Not to mention free backwards compatibility with free upgrades and EA All Access and Play Anywhere which gives you 3 copies of any game bought digitally on multiple platforms.

I already said all that but happy to say it again.

 

[Grandmaster Hash]

Game Pass is unprecedented. Giving away all first party games for a low monthly subscription as well as hundreds of others is unprecedented value. Not to mention free backwards compatibility with free upgrades and EA All Access and Play Anywhere which gives you 3 copies of any game bought digitally on multiple platforms.

I already said all that but happy to say it again.

backwards compatibility is certainly not unprecedented, most consoles have had that feature. I wouldn't exactly say gamepass offers that much value right now but maybe one day it will be compelling. EA access is an EA programme, it has nothing to do with MS just because it's not on PS4. Play anywhere is not unprecedented, cross play is essentially the same thing and has existed for much longer not to mention it's a feature that no one uses. None of these have relevance to the next Xbox. You said the next Xbox will be 'unprecedented' and all you have to back that up is a list of current gen feature only one of which hasn't been seen before. Where is your evidence the next console will have unprecedented games, features, and power?

 

[rokkerkory]

MS is setting to beast next-gen. Exciting times.

 

[hiphopcr]

backwards compatibility is certainly not unprecedented, most consoles have had that feature.

Backwards compatibility with free 4k upgrades. If most consoles had that it's only more embarrassing that the PS4 doesn't, which btw you said...

hardly unprecedented, the PS4 literally had all of those.

I wouldn't exactly say gamepass offers that much value right now but maybe one day it will be compelling.

It was already a great value before they added all first party games day and date. Now it's a paradigm shifting consumer friendly feature. Which btw you said...

hardly unprecedented, the PS4 literally had all of those.

EA access is an EA programme, it has nothing to do with MS just because it's not on PS4.

It's still a feature PS4 doesn't have, and btw, you said...

hardly unprecedented, the PS4 literally had all of those.

Play anywhere is not unprecedented, cross play is essentially the same thing and has existed for much longer not to mention it's a feature that no one uses.

Play Anywhere isn't cross play, it's getting multiple copies of a game on multiple platforms, which btw you said...

hardly unprecedented, the PS4 literally had all of those.

None of these have relevance to the next Xbox.

The next Xbox will have all of these. How many will the PS5 have, especially after you said...

hardly unprecedented, the PS4 literally had all of those.

 

[Grandmaster Hash]

Backwards compatibility with free 4k upgrades. If most consoles had that it's only more embarrassing that the PS4 doesn't, which btw you said...

i never said



It was already a great value before they added all first party games day and date. Now it's a paradigm shifting consumer friendly feature. Which btw you said...





It's still a feature PS4 doesn't have, and btw, you said...





Play Anywhere isn't cross play, it's getting multiple copies of a game on multiple platforms, which btw you said...





The next Xbox will have all of these. How many will the PS5 have, especially after you said...

OK laugh all you want. You said:
'Next gen Xbox will be undeniable.

An unprecedented combination of exclusives, features, and power. '
And are you denying that at the start of the generation the ps4 HAD (past tense of has) the best exclusive features and power and features. Meaning that a console with good features, exclusives, and power was not unprecedented because it has happened before. And I meant cross buy not cross play which is essentially the same thing as play anywhere and equally as irrelevant a feature. Why are you quoting my original statement like that anyway you disingenuous little snake? Was I supposed to read your mind and see exactly which features you've decided are going to make the next xbox an unprecedented device? I was replying to your original point, not your later point with that comment, why do you feel the need to stoop to such dirty tricks to make your point? If a feature is already present on the XBONE then it's hardly unprecedented Jesus Christ do you even know what that word means? What is a feature that the next xbox will have that has no precedent in past devices? And you have presented no evidence whatsoever to say it will be the most powerful or have the best exclusives. You're so weird, why can't you just accept that the next xbox may or may not be good rather than just being some raving fanatic?

 

[hiphopcr]

OK laugh all you want. You said:
'Next gen Xbox will be undeniable.

An unprecedented combination of exclusives, features, and power. '
And are you denying that at the start of the generation the ps4 HAD (past tense of has) the best exclusive features and power and features

From the get go I said (as you quoted) the "next gen Xbox". Somehow you're fixated on 2013. It's ok to walk away.

 

[LittleBusters]

Easier to put them on ignore.

 

[astroglide]

If this is true do you think it would be announced at gamescom?

 

[Louis Cyphre]

OK laugh all you want. You said:
'Next gen Xbox will be undeniable.

An unprecedented combination of exclusives, features, and power. '
And are you denying that at the start of the generation the ps4 HAD (past tense of has) the best exclusive features and power and features. Meaning that a console with good features, exclusives, and power was not unprecedented because it has happened before. And I meant cross buy not cross play which is essentially the same thing as play anywhere and equally as irrelevant a feature. Why are you quoting my original statement like that anyway you disingenuous little snake? Was I supposed to read your mind and see exactly which features you've decided are going to make the next xbox an unprecedented device? I was replying to your original point, not your later point with that comment, why do you feel the need to stoop to such dirty tricks to make your point? If a feature is already present on the XBONE then it's hardly unprecedented Jesus Christ do you even know what that word means? What is a feature that the next xbox will have that has no precedent in past devices? And you have presented no evidence whatsoever to say it will be the most powerful or have the best exclusives. You're so weird, why can't you just accept that the next xbox may or may not be good rather than just being some raving fanatic?

Anyone with common sense knows the next Xbox will be better positioned than the last one, that's the whole point. How it fares to the next PlayStation is unknown as Sony has a ton of momentum going into next gen. However for once I would like to see Sony come out strong at the very beginning like Nintendo did with the Switch. It usually takes them a couple of years to get going because they support the last generation right til the end meaning there is a gap but they know they have enough loyal fans to carry them through. However with the lack of new announcements the last two years aside from Ghost of Tsushima it dopes look like they are working early on the PS5. Microsoft on the other hand has to come out strong as they came out flat this entire generation due to their shitty marketing and overpriced Kinect box.

They have however turned things around and Phil says he wants the Xbox to be back to being like the original, powerful, but you never really know what the competition is doing and when exactly they will come out. Needless to say they won't be wasting money on something like Kinect and will likely come out with something that is at cost or taking a loss just to come out strong. What we are seeing is refreshing from Microsoft, finally some commitment and they talked about the next Xbox early just to shut the naysayers up. But of course we still have trolls that will go after them no matter what they do.

 

[Strife In a Teacup]

Ah, OK. My bad. Sorry!

No need to be sorry! Context on a forum can often get lost. Or I just don't explain myself well enough sometimes.

 

[VAL0R]

Anyone with common sense knows the next Xbox will be better positioned than the last one, that's the whole point. How it fares to the next PlayStation is unknown as Sony has a ton of momentum going into next gen. However for once I would like to see Sony come out strong at the very beginning like Nintendo did with the Switch. It usually takes them a couple of years to get going because they support the last generation right til the end meaning there is a gap but they know they have enough loyal fans to carry them through. However with the lack of new announcements the last two years aside from Ghost of Tsushima it dopes look like they are working early on the PS5. Microsoft on the other hand has to come out strong as they came out flat this entire generation due to their shitty marketing and overpriced Kinect box.

They have however turned things around and Phil says he wants the Xbox to be back to being like the original, powerful, but you never really know what the competition is doing and when exactly they will come out. Needless to say they won't be wasting money on something like Kinect and will likely come out with something that is at cost or taking a loss just to come out strong. What we are seeing is refreshing from Microsoft, finally some commitment and they talked about the next Xbox early just to shut the naysayers up. But of course we still have trolls that will go after them no matter what they do.

I really think the Xbox Scarlett is going to destroy. MS has been crushing hardware post Phil, with the great X1S and the greater X1X. Phil has already implicitly said that Scarlett will be more powerful than the PS5, they have purchased 5 development houses (with more on the way?) and MS as a company, with their gargantuan resources has made a very decided shift from "why are we making these Xboxes again?", to the CEO saying they are fully behind the gaming division and are aiming to reach "billions" of new gamers. Combine that with the killer app, Game Pass, which is already far better for games than Netflix was for movies at this point in its life cycle, and MS is set to really dominate, I believe. And we know an Xbox Scarlett Cloud machine, that will stream all Scarlett games at a fraction of the cost, will open cutting edge gaming up to millions who can't afford the $500 hardware price tag.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

I really think the Xbox Scarlett is going to destroy. MS has been crushing hardware post Phil, with the great X1S and the greater X1X. Phil has already implicitly said that Scarlett will be more powerful than the PS5, they have purchased 5 development houses (with more on the way?) and MS as a company, with their gargantuan resources has made a very decided shift from "why are we making these Xboxes again?", to the CEO saying they are fully behind the gaming division and are aiming to reach "billions" of new gamers. Combine that with the killer app, Game Pass, which is already far better for games than Netflix was for movies at this point in its life cycle, and MS is set to really dominate, I believe. And we know an Xbox Scarlett Cloud machine, that will stream all Scarlett games at a fraction of the cost, will open cutting edge gaming up to millions who can't afford the $500 hardware price tag.

I think we all need to keep our expectations in check. I do agree that their hardware design is vastly improved since the Xbox One S and is likely to continue. Not sure how we can conclude it's going to be more powerful than the PS5 but chances are it will be because Sony is no longer looking at expensive hardware to flash us with. If Microsoft yet again comes out with a $500 box and Sony comes out with a less powerful $400 box it's difficult to sell given Sony's history on software support. If rumors are true and Microsoft has 2 variations then that might be a good way to go. A cheap $129 streaming box and a $399-$499 dedicated Xbox.

 

[Humdinger]

It's shaping up to be an interesting contest, that's for sure. I know it's going to be a tough choice for me, next gen.

 

[VectorVictor]

I really hope this doesn't happen. EA ruined Bioware and I could see this being a similar situation. Microsoft has a solid history of ruining game studios, too (Rare and Ensemble Studios come to mind). MS will inevitably take away their creative freedom in the pursuit of maximized profits.

Tell me, how are Maxis and Bullfrog are doing these days over at EA? And that upstart Origin with the Ultima and Wing Commander series? When do you think we'll see them create a new chapter in those IPs?

Last time I checked, Rare is not only open still, it's thriving once again, and its IPs (either new or loaned out) have done well.

 

[Bernkastel]

Well they have Crackdown 3 coming in Feb 2019 which we all know is going to be a flop, 66/100 on Metacritic.

Oh man

 

[Tevious]

Tell me, how are Maxis and Bullfrog are doing these days over at EA? And that upstart Origin with the Ultima and Wing Commander series? When do you think we'll see them create a new chapter in those IPs?

Last time I checked, Rare is not only open still, it's thriving once again, and its IPs (either new or loaned out) have done well.

Read my other replies, I've said my peace on this issue already.

 

[Strife In a Teacup]

Well, Obsidian hasn't denied this yet to my knowledge? There is a thread on it on the official forums (Which is at the top no less) which also links two articles:
https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/104779-rumours-about-acquisition-by-microsoft/

Still nothing I can find in a way of a denial. Doesn't necessarily mean anything, but sometimes silence says a lot.

Nothing on their twitter either:
https://twitter.com/Obsidian

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Well, Obsidian hasn't denied this yet to my knowledge? There is a thread on it on the official forums (Which is at the top no less) which also links two articles:
https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/104779-rumours-about-acquisition-by-microsoft/

Still nothing I can find in a way of a denial. Doesn't necessarily mean anything, but sometimes silence says a lot.

Nothing on their twitter either:
https://twitter.com/Obsidian

Did EA come out and deny the whole EA rumor? I know Gabe did about Valve being bought by Microsoft.

 

[McCheese]

For what it's worth, Microsoft has been in talks with a lot of developers and publishers. Personally, I'd like to see them stay away from Obsidian, I've been around long enough to see how cold Microsoft upper-management can go to the gaming sector when things are not panning out for them. R.I.P Lionhead, Ensemble, Digital Anvil, and countless other great studios.

It's weird seeing the general positive vibe around Microsoft buy-outs, in comparison to say EA at which point we would have pages of 'hey where are you taking me poppa EA' images already. Both have quite an awful track record.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

For what it's worth, Microsoft has been in talks with a lot of developers and publishers. Personally, I'd like to see them stay away from Obsidian, I've been around long enough to see how cold Microsoft upper-management can go to the gaming sector when things are not panning out for them. R.I.P Lionhead, Ensemble, Digital Anvil, and countless other great studios.

It's weird seeing the general positive vibe around Microsoft buy-outs, in comparison to say EA at which point we would have pages of 'hey where are you taking me poppa EA' images already. Both have quite an awful track record.

Perhaps it's because Microsoft has new leadership and a supportive CEO? Or perhaps it's a situation that Obsidian needs financial backing to stay active like Ninja Theory? Sure, we can go on being jaded forever and hold a grudge acting like a company never changes or the people there stay the same. Where is Studio Liverpool and Q-Games?

 

[BlackBuzzard]

Ugh please stay away Microsoft. The only thing they are good at is ruining studios.

 

[Strife In a Teacup]

Did EA come out and deny the whole EA rumor? I know Gabe did about Valve being bought by Microsoft.

Not to my knowledge, but EA is publicly traded so there would be a lot more going on if that were to go down.

Though with those BF5 pre-orders and Anthem's upcoming launch, maybe Microsoft will end up owning Bioware and Obsidian.

 

[EDMIX]

Ugh please stay away Microsoft. The only thing they are good at is ruining studios.

They indeed have a infamous history of this.


They pretty much need 1 whole gen of treating their teams with respect, giving them reasonable freedom to create NEW AAA IPs, STOP making teams work on 1 property if its not static ie sports ,racing etc as Forza or Horizon make sense, but allow those other teams to make something new like 343 that is of a Halo or Gears budget please.
If they are able to do this with those new teams, they will be ok next gen, but they seriously are going to need to keep doing that the whole gen, ie behaving like a actual publisher that cares about its install base vs (Halo, Gears, Forza combo back to back) we don't need another gen like that.

 

[Pallas]

Look I know Microsoft hasn’t been the best with its acquisitions on the gaming division but the leadership has shuffled and people who see the gaming division as essential to Microsoft’s prosperity are in charge. Can we at least do a wait and see approach before going all doom and gloom omg they will ruin them? Whether they buy Obsidian or not, one thing is for sure is that they really need someone to buy and acquire them, I’m honestly afraid they may cease to exist in the very near future.

 

[Bernkastel]

Ugh please stay away Microsoft. The only thing they are good at is ruining studios.

You mean how they let Rare do whatever they want for 17 years even after so many fails or how they let go of Bungie(one of there best studios) since they wanted to go multi-platform. Although I can see why a certain Kojima fan would like this post.

 

[Hudo]

Look I know Microsoft hasn’t been the best with its acquisitions on the gaming division but the leadership has shuffled and people who see the gaming division as essential to Microsoft’s prosperity are in charge. Can we at least do a wait and see approach before going all doom and gloom omg they will ruin them? Whether they buy Obsidian or not, one thing is for sure is that they really need someone to buy and acquire them, I’m honestly afraid they may cease to exist in the very near future.

Yes, I agree. Even I, who should be upset because of Ensemble Studios, am optimistic. The right people seem to be in charge but we won't see results until next gen. That's my guess anyway. If one looks at what Avellone has posted at RPG Codex, one can certainly get the impression that Obsidian hasn't been awash with money. And that Pillars of Eternity, while successful, wasn't quite the big hit they had hoped it would be. But again, that's if Avellone was telling the truth. I wouldn't be surprised if Brian Fargo would sell the company to Microsoft and then leave, if given the right amount of money.

Imagine if EA were the company in question instead of Microsoft. Gaming forums would start riots left and right.

 

[thelastword]

I just wonder what the gaming budgets are for each company. Say Sony's is 2 billion a year (I have no idea, and that sounds like a lot) then I wonder MS's would be? Like how much of their budget is going towards buying new studios and is it a permanent increase or a temporary thing to get set up for next gen?

PS3 was 4 billion in R&D, so Sony can go full throttle for hardware if they wish it, but after spending all that, giving the best BC gamers have ever seen (by giving two generations worth of BC in PS1+PS2), where every single title, not some, all could be played......Where they thought a second cell for the GPU would pan out by Ken Kutaragi, but had to settle for an expensive but not the best GPU solution from NV, as they were already a bit late to the market. Yet PS3 was packed with tech and their plans for it was bigger (with a cell GPU), but not everything panned out, they had to release it. Yet PS3 had the; Bluray Drive, SACD, Other OS, USB ports galore etc, even the external was premium. Yet Sony learnt lots from that, BC is not a hardware seller, a $500-600 premium console is a no go, price is important to the consumer, extras are not so important, use the money and put in a better GPU, put in more Ram, put in a better CPU......Make the console more accessible to devs, These are the lessons they learnt on hardware last gen....

Yet for PS5, Sony can go full throttle and take a loss again, because of all the success they've had this gen and because they know people will go where the games are. So they can do 7nm Navi and Ryzen at launch and in two years recoup some costs with a slim at 5nm.....I think Sony will go full throttle on PS5, there is no doubt about that, so anyone thinking MS will automatically have a more powerful console are not being realistic, besides, it's Sony collaborating with AMD on Navi, it's Sony who's had Vega features in PS4-PRO, 1 year before XBONEX and they could have had XBONEX performance 1 year earlier with a $500 PRO, but they realized since last gen that price is important...($400 is their target)....I'm thinking PS5 will be a $600 box sold at $400 in 2020.....

I really think the Xbox Scarlett is going to destroy. MS has been crushing hardware post Phil, with the great X1S and the greater X1X. Phil has already implicitly said that Scarlett will be more powerful than the PS5, they have purchased 5 development houses (with more on the way?) and MS as a company, with their gargantuan resources has made a very decided shift from "why are we making these Xboxes again?", to the CEO saying they are fully behind the gaming division and are aiming to reach "billions" of new gamers. Combine that with the killer app, Game Pass, which is already far better for games than Netflix was for movies at this point in its life cycle, and MS is set to really dominate, I believe. And we know an Xbox Scarlett Cloud machine, that will stream all Scarlett games at a fraction of the cost, will open cutting edge gaming up to millions who can't afford the $500 hardware price tag.

Woah! is this a commercial?

So if all this is a "Phil says" joint.......Then you should also remember some choice quotes......

Phil said "XBONEX is a TRUE 4k console, with the best framerates, none of that Checkerboard, Upscaling stuff you see on PRO etc, PRO should be compared to XBONE-S if anything"

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/13/15790162/microsoft-phil-spencer-xbox-one-x-vs-ps4-pro-interview

Phil said "The high profile games are coming, just wait baby"

It's been five years............Last year when Phil said he's going to show some major titles, he showed Forza 7 as the only AAA title at E3 and said he considered Ori, SOT, Super Lucky's Tales to be major announcements, SMH.....

Phil said "We have some major projects we can't show you yet baby"

Phil then went on to cancel fable legends and scalebound and at this years E3 announces five studios, where one is not even formed yet, two have been making XBOX games (FORZA and SOD), one is an indie studio that just released a game sitting at 63 MC with only 5 reviews on XBOX, farless for when it gets more reviews....Ninja theory, which have been strapped for cash and has never made a huge hit or hardware-moving game is also on board. Yet Phil says, there's lots in the oven for years ongoing, so where were those games at this year's E3, when Crackdown has been in limbo since launch (as the cloud powered behemoth), another promise of huge things yet again. I mean when will people learn.

Phil's PR team said "Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive exceeded all expectations"

Where are the sequels? Dead, MS and these teams broke ties soon after....Now, Insomniac is now making it's biggest game ever on PS4 and Remedy has gone multiplat with Control, which was shown at a Sony conference, strangely....

Phil and his team says "We're no longer giving numbers, because that's an ancient way of reporting"

I mean you have to be as dense as a forest to not get a clue, I mean everything is hidden behind "exceeded expectations", 10 billion dives into the ocean of thieves, 5000 bodyless krakens defeated etc...and they are slammed in NPD every month, Nintendo is outselling them.....


I mean do we forget what Phil's old pal Aaron Greenberg said "MS would never concede power to a Sony system"

He was talking about Xbox One vs PS4.....He also said "People buy XBOX because we have the biggest exclusives" I mean.....


How can any of these guys know which console is going to be more powerful, if they don't know what Sony will have under the hood and in what timeframe they will release? How can they know. The only reason that Scorpio is more powerful than PRO is because it came 1 year later, with less features than PRO at that for $100 more. Some people really have to remove the wool from their eyes......

As for Obsidian, I hope it does not happen because MS has a knack of destroying devs. Hell, Bungie wanted to jump ship so bad as they were stuck in Halo limbo, so they did. Rare is done, Remedy is done. Those Forza Horizon guys should know they're in it for the longhaul, if and when Fable bombs, they will be back shooting out Horizon's every other year for the rest of their lives...Insomniac had a taste with Sunset overdrive, they're back at Sony. MS purchasing a team is just a bad omen, Ninja Theory better pray that it works out for them, as I liked that team. I truly hope they don't go under, but the writing on the wall is all too familiar..

 

[Bernkastel]

PS3 was 4 billion in R&D, so Sony can go full throttle for hardware if they wish it, but after spending all that, giving the best BC gamers have ever seen (by giving two generations worth of BC in PS1+PS2), where every single title, not some, all could be played......Where they thought a second cell for the GPU would pan out by Ken Kutaragi, but had to settle for an expensive but not the best GPU solution from NV, as they were already a bit late to the market. Yet PS3 was packed with tech and their plans for it was bigger (with a cell GPU), but not everything panned out, they had to release it. Yet PS3 had the; Bluray Drive, SACD, Other OS, USB ports galore etc, even the external was premium. Yet Sony learnt lots from that, BC is not a hardware seller, a $500-600 premium console is a no go, price is important to the consumer, extras are not so important, use the money and put in a better GPU, put in more Ram, put in a better CPU......Make the console more accessible to devs, These are the lessons they learnt on hardware last gen....

Yet for PS5, Sony can go full throttle and take a loss again, because of all the success they've had this gen and because they know people will go where the games are. So they can do 7nm Navi and Ryzen at launch and in two years recoup some costs with a slim at 5nm.....I think Sony will go full throttle on PS5, there is no doubt about that, so anyone thinking MS will automatically have a more powerful console are not being realistic, besides, it's Sony collaborating with AMD on Navi, it's Sony who's had Vega features in PS4-PRO, 1 year before XBONEX and they could have had XBONEX performance 1 year earlier with a $500 PRO, but they realized since last gen that price is important...($400 is their target)....I'm thinking PS5 will be a $600 box sold at $400 in 2020.....

Woah! is this a commercial?

So if all this is a "Phil says" joint.......Then you should also remember some choice quotes......

Phil said "XBONEX is a TRUE 4k console, with the best framerates, none of that Checkerboard, Upscaling stuff you see on PRO etc, PRO should be compared to XBONE-S if anything"

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/13/15790162/microsoft-phil-spencer-xbox-one-x-vs-ps4-pro-interview

Phil said "The high profile games are coming, just wait baby"

It's been five years............Last year when Phil said he's going to show some major titles, he showed Forza 7 as the only AAA title at E3 and said he considered Ori, SOT, Super Lucky's Tales to be major announcements, SMH.....

Phil said "We have some major projects we can't show you yet baby"

Phil then went on to cancel fable legends and scalebound and at this years E3 announces five studios, where one is not even formed yet, two have been making XBOX games (FORZA and SOD), one is an indie studio that just released a game sitting at 63 MC with only 5 reviews on XBOX, farless for when it gets more reviews....Ninja theory, which have been strapped for cash and has never made a huge hit or hardware-moving game is also on board. Yet Phil says, there's lots in the oven for years ongoing, so where were those games at this year's E3, when Crackdown has been in limbo since launch (as the cloud powered behemoth), another promise of huge things yet again. I mean when will people learn.

Phil's PR team said "Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive exceeded all expectations"

Where are the sequels? Dead, MS and these teams broke ties soon after....Now, Insomniac is now making it's biggest game ever on PS4 and Remedy has gone multiplat with Control, which was shown at a Sony conference, strangely....

Phil and his team says "We're no longer giving numbers, because that's an ancient way of reporting"

I mean you have to be as dense as a forest to not get a clue, I mean everything is hidden behind "exceeded expectations", 10 billion dives into the ocean of thieves, 5000 bodyless krakens defeated etc...and they are slammed in NPD every month, Nintendo is outselling them.....


I mean do we forget what Phil's old pal Aaron Greenberg said "MS would never concede power to a Sony system"

He was talking about Xbox One vs PS4.....He also said "People buy XBOX because we have the biggest exclusives" I mean.....


How can any of these guys know which console is going to be more powerful, if they don't know what Sony will have under the hood and in what timeframe they will release? How can they know. The only reason that Scorpio is more powerful than PRO is because it came 1 year later, with less features than PRO at that for $100 more. Some people really have to remove the wool from their eyes......

As for Obsidian, I hope it does not happen because MS has a knack of destroying devs. Hell, Bungie wanted to jump ship so bad as they were stuck in Halo limbo, so they did. Rare is done, Remedy is done. Those Forza Horizon guys should know they're in it for the longhaul, if and when Fable bombs, they will be back shooting out Horizon's every other year for the rest of their lives...Insomniac had a taste with Sunset overdrive, they're back at Sony. MS purchasing a team is just a bad omen, Ninja Theory better pray that it works out for them, as I liked that team. I truly hope they don't go under, but the writing on the wall is all too familiar..

Wow, that's alot effort put into console wars. The amount of effort people put to shit on Microsoft never fails to amaze me.

 

[Calibos]

PS3 was 4 billion in R&D, so Sony can go full throttle for hardware if they wish it, but after spending all that, giving the best BC gamers have ever seen (by giving two generations worth of BC in PS1+PS2), where every single title, not some, all could be played......Where they thought a second cell for the GPU would pan out by Ken Kutaragi, but had to settle for an expensive but not the best GPU solution from NV, as they were already a bit late to the market. Yet PS3 was packed with tech and their plans for it was bigger (with a cell GPU), but not everything panned out, they had to release it. Yet PS3 had the; Bluray Drive, SACD, Other OS, USB ports galore etc, even the external was premium. Yet Sony learnt lots from that, BC is not a hardware seller, a $500-600 premium console is a no go, price is important to the consumer, extras are not so important, use the money and put in a better GPU, put in more Ram, put in a better CPU......Make the console more accessible to devs, These are the lessons they learnt on hardware last gen....

Yet for PS5, Sony can go full throttle and take a loss again, because of all the success they've had this gen and because they know people will go where the games are. So they can do 7nm Navi and Ryzen at launch and in two years recoup some costs with a slim at 5nm.....I think Sony will go full throttle on PS5, there is no doubt about that, so anyone thinking MS will automatically have a more powerful console are not being realistic, besides, it's Sony collaborating with AMD on Navi, it's Sony who's had Vega features in PS4-PRO, 1 year before XBONEX and they could have had XBONEX performance 1 year earlier with a $500 PRO, but they realized since last gen that price is important...($400 is their target)....I'm thinking PS5 will be a $600 box sold at $400 in 2020.....

Woah! is this a commercial?

So if all this is a "Phil says" joint.......Then you should also remember some choice quotes......

Phil said "XBONEX is a TRUE 4k console, with the best framerates, none of that Checkerboard, Upscaling stuff you see on PRO etc, PRO should be compared to XBONE-S if anything"

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/13/15790162/microsoft-phil-spencer-xbox-one-x-vs-ps4-pro-interview

Phil said "The high profile games are coming, just wait baby"

It's been five years............Last year when Phil said he's going to show some major titles, he showed Forza 7 as the only AAA title at E3 and said he considered Ori, SOT, Super Lucky's Tales to be major announcements, SMH.....

Phil said "We have some major projects we can't show you yet baby"

Phil then went on to cancel fable legends and scalebound and at this years E3 announces five studios, where one is not even formed yet, two have been making XBOX games (FORZA and SOD), one is an indie studio that just released a game sitting at 63 MC with only 5 reviews on XBOX, farless for when it gets more reviews....Ninja theory, which have been strapped for cash and has never made a huge hit or hardware-moving game is also on board. Yet Phil says, there's lots in the oven for years ongoing, so where were those games at this year's E3, when Crackdown has been in limbo since launch (as the cloud powered behemoth), another promise of huge things yet again. I mean when will people learn.

Phil's PR team said "Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive exceeded all expectations"

Where are the sequels? Dead, MS and these teams broke ties soon after....Now, Insomniac is now making it's biggest game ever on PS4 and Remedy has gone multiplat with Control, which was shown at a Sony conference, strangely....

Phil and his team says "We're no longer giving numbers, because that's an ancient way of reporting"

I mean you have to be as dense as a forest to not get a clue, I mean everything is hidden behind "exceeded expectations", 10 billion dives into the ocean of thieves, 5000 bodyless krakens defeated etc...and they are slammed in NPD every month, Nintendo is outselling them.....


I mean do we forget what Phil's old pal Aaron Greenberg said "MS would never concede power to a Sony system"

He was talking about Xbox One vs PS4.....He also said "People buy XBOX because we have the biggest exclusives" I mean.....


How can any of these guys know which console is going to be more powerful, if they don't know what Sony will have under the hood and in what timeframe they will release? How can they know. The only reason that Scorpio is more powerful than PRO is because it came 1 year later, with less features than PRO at that for $100 more. Some people really have to remove the wool from their eyes......

As for Obsidian, I hope it does not happen because MS has a knack of destroying devs. Hell, Bungie wanted to jump ship so bad as they were stuck in Halo limbo, so they did. Rare is done, Remedy is done. Those Forza Horizon guys should know they're in it for the longhaul, if and when Fable bombs, they will be back shooting out Horizon's every other year for the rest of their lives...Insomniac had a taste with Sunset overdrive, they're back at Sony. MS purchasing a team is just a bad omen, Ninja Theory better pray that it works out for them, as I liked that team. I truly hope they don't go under, but the writing on the wall is all too familiar..

Anything on topic in this bullshit fanboy warrior post? (Oh wait, there it is at the very bottom, thrown in to avoid being called out)


MS is on a roll right now with their new leadership structure. Buying Obsidian, provided they want to be bought, would be RPG icing on a delicious 1st party cake. If they could add in MDHR and Moon, it would be a flawless year for MS business and Xbox.

...Also, buy Discord and their upcoming storefront and ditch the Windows store already.

 

[Odinnii]

I am all for it. MS needs the exclusives and a big budget Obsidian game sounds cool.

 

[DryvBy]

Instead of buying companies, why not get games out of the companies you already own, Microsoft? They're like EA: buy companies, milk a few games, ruin company, start process over with another company.

 

[Redshirt]

Instead of buying companies, why not get games out of the companies you already own, Microsoft? They're like EA: buy companies, milk a few games, ruin company, start process over with another company.

So, should Sony stop buying companies too, or is this a Microsoft-specific criticism?

 

[LuvOfThaGame]

PS3 was 4 billion in R&D, so Sony can go full throttle for hardware if they wish it, but after spending all that, giving the best BC gamers have ever seen (by giving two generations worth of BC in PS1+PS2), where every single title, not some, all could be played......Where they thought a second cell for the GPU would pan out by Ken Kutaragi, but had to settle for an expensive but not the best GPU solution from NV, as they were already a bit late to the market. Yet PS3 was packed with tech and their plans for it was bigger (with a cell GPU), but not everything panned out, they had to release it. Yet PS3 had the; Bluray Drive, SACD, Other OS, USB ports galore etc, even the external was premium. Yet Sony learnt lots from that, BC is not a hardware seller, a $500-600 premium console is a no go, price is important to the consumer, extras are not so important, use the money and put in a better GPU, put in more Ram, put in a better CPU......Make the console more accessible to devs, These are the lessons they learnt on hardware last gen....

Yet for PS5, Sony can go full throttle and take a loss again, because of all the success they've had this gen and because they know people will go where the games are. So they can do 7nm Navi and Ryzen at launch and in two years recoup some costs with a slim at 5nm.....I think Sony will go full throttle on PS5, there is no doubt about that, so anyone thinking MS will automatically have a more powerful console are not being realistic, besides, it's Sony collaborating with AMD on Navi, it's Sony who's had Vega features in PS4-PRO, 1 year before XBONEX and they could have had XBONEX performance 1 year earlier with a $500 PRO, but they realized since last gen that price is important...($400 is their target)....I'm thinking PS5 will be a $600 box sold at $400 in 2020.....

Woah! is this a commercial?

So if all this is a "Phil says" joint.......Then you should also remember some choice quotes......

Phil said "XBONEX is a TRUE 4k console, with the best framerates, none of that Checkerboard, Upscaling stuff you see on PRO etc, PRO should be compared to XBONE-S if anything"

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/13/15790162/microsoft-phil-spencer-xbox-one-x-vs-ps4-pro-interview

Phil said "The high profile games are coming, just wait baby"

It's been five years............Last year when Phil said he's going to show some major titles, he showed Forza 7 as the only AAA title at E3 and said he considered Ori, SOT, Super Lucky's Tales to be major announcements, SMH.....

Phil said "We have some major projects we can't show you yet baby"

Phil then went on to cancel fable legends and scalebound and at this years E3 announces five studios, where one is not even formed yet, two have been making XBOX games (FORZA and SOD), one is an indie studio that just released a game sitting at 63 MC with only 5 reviews on XBOX, farless for when it gets more reviews....Ninja theory, which have been strapped for cash and has never made a huge hit or hardware-moving game is also on board. Yet Phil says, there's lots in the oven for years ongoing, so where were those games at this year's E3, when Crackdown has been in limbo since launch (as the cloud powered behemoth), another promise of huge things yet again. I mean when will people learn.

Phil's PR team said "Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive exceeded all expectations"

Where are the sequels? Dead, MS and these teams broke ties soon after....Now, Insomniac is now making it's biggest game ever on PS4 and Remedy has gone multiplat with Control, which was shown at a Sony conference, strangely....

Phil and his team says "We're no longer giving numbers, because that's an ancient way of reporting"

I mean you have to be as dense as a forest to not get a clue, I mean everything is hidden behind "exceeded expectations", 10 billion dives into the ocean of thieves, 5000 bodyless krakens defeated etc...and they are slammed in NPD every month, Nintendo is outselling them.....


I mean do we forget what Phil's old pal Aaron Greenberg said "MS would never concede power to a Sony system"

He was talking about Xbox One vs PS4.....He also said "People buy XBOX because we have the biggest exclusives" I mean.....


How can any of these guys know which console is going to be more powerful, if they don't know what Sony will have under the hood and in what timeframe they will release? How can they know. The only reason that Scorpio is more powerful than PRO is because it came 1 year later, with less features than PRO at that for $100 more. Some people really have to remove the wool from their eyes......

As for Obsidian, I hope it does not happen because MS has a knack of destroying devs. Hell, Bungie wanted to jump ship so bad as they were stuck in Halo limbo, so they did. Rare is done, Remedy is done. Those Forza Horizon guys should know they're in it for the longhaul, if and when Fable bombs, they will be back shooting out Horizon's every other year for the rest of their lives...Insomniac had a taste with Sunset overdrive, they're back at Sony. MS purchasing a team is just a bad omen, Ninja Theory better pray that it works out for them, as I liked that team. I truly hope they don't go under, but the writing on the wall is all too familiar..

First half is a sony commercial. Second half is console waring and off topic. So... typical TLW post.

 

[Dabaus]

For what it's worth, Microsoft has been in talks with a lot of developers and publishers. Personally, I'd like to see them stay away from Obsidian, I've been around long enough to see how cold Microsoft upper-management can go to the gaming sector when things are not panning out for them. R.I.P Lionhead, Ensemble, Digital Anvil, and countless other great studios.

It's weird seeing the general positive vibe around Microsoft buy-outs, in comparison to say EA at which point we would have pages of 'hey where are you taking me poppa EA' images already. Both have quite an awful track record.

Do you know which studios MS has been talking to ?

 

[Tarkus98]

Not really sure why anyone would be against this. Obsidian needs the money or they eventually go bust. While not having a perfect track record in the past regarding studio treatment, Microsoft is currently giving their studios much more time and freedom regarding game output and they know they need good first party output and have been focusing on that for next gen.
In a perfect world Obsidian stays independent and continues to crank out games for all systems, but this is just not possible anymore and I would much rather see a company with this kind of talent continue to exist instead of disappearing due to bankruptcy.

 

[Hudo]

PS3 was 4 billion in R&D, so Sony can go full throttle for hardware if they wish it, but after spending all that, giving the best BC gamers have ever seen (by giving two generations worth of BC in PS1+PS2), where every single title, not some, all could be played......Where they thought a second cell for the GPU would pan out by Ken Kutaragi, but had to settle for an expensive but not the best GPU solution from NV, as they were already a bit late to the market. Yet PS3 was packed with tech and their plans for it was bigger (with a cell GPU), but not everything panned out, they had to release it. Yet PS3 had the; Bluray Drive, SACD, Other OS, USB ports galore etc, even the external was premium. Yet Sony learnt lots from that, BC is not a hardware seller, a $500-600 premium console is a no go, price is important to the consumer, extras are not so important, use the money and put in a better GPU, put in more Ram, put in a better CPU......Make the console more accessible to devs, These are the lessons they learnt on hardware last gen....

Yet for PS5, Sony can go full throttle and take a loss again, because of all the success they've had this gen and because they know people will go where the games are. So they can do 7nm Navi and Ryzen at launch and in two years recoup some costs with a slim at 5nm.....I think Sony will go full throttle on PS5, there is no doubt about that, so anyone thinking MS will automatically have a more powerful console are not being realistic, besides, it's Sony collaborating with AMD on Navi, it's Sony who's had Vega features in PS4-PRO, 1 year before XBONEX and they could have had XBONEX performance 1 year earlier with a $500 PRO, but they realized since last gen that price is important...($400 is their target)....I'm thinking PS5 will be a $600 box sold at $400 in 2020.....

Woah! is this a commercial?

So if all this is a "Phil says" joint.......Then you should also remember some choice quotes......

Phil said "XBONEX is a TRUE 4k console, with the best framerates, none of that Checkerboard, Upscaling stuff you see on PRO etc, PRO should be compared to XBONE-S if anything"

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/13/15790162/microsoft-phil-spencer-xbox-one-x-vs-ps4-pro-interview

Phil said "The high profile games are coming, just wait baby"

It's been five years............Last year when Phil said he's going to show some major titles, he showed Forza 7 as the only AAA title at E3 and said he considered Ori, SOT, Super Lucky's Tales to be major announcements, SMH.....

Phil said "We have some major projects we can't show you yet baby"

Phil then went on to cancel fable legends and scalebound and at this years E3 announces five studios, where one is not even formed yet, two have been making XBOX games (FORZA and SOD), one is an indie studio that just released a game sitting at 63 MC with only 5 reviews on XBOX, farless for when it gets more reviews....Ninja theory, which have been strapped for cash and has never made a huge hit or hardware-moving game is also on board. Yet Phil says, there's lots in the oven for years ongoing, so where were those games at this year's E3, when Crackdown has been in limbo since launch (as the cloud powered behemoth), another promise of huge things yet again. I mean when will people learn.

Phil's PR team said "Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive exceeded all expectations"

Where are the sequels? Dead, MS and these teams broke ties soon after....Now, Insomniac is now making it's biggest game ever on PS4 and Remedy has gone multiplat with Control, which was shown at a Sony conference, strangely....

Phil and his team says "We're no longer giving numbers, because that's an ancient way of reporting"

I mean you have to be as dense as a forest to not get a clue, I mean everything is hidden behind "exceeded expectations", 10 billion dives into the ocean of thieves, 5000 bodyless krakens defeated etc...and they are slammed in NPD every month, Nintendo is outselling them.....


I mean do we forget what Phil's old pal Aaron Greenberg said "MS would never concede power to a Sony system"

He was talking about Xbox One vs PS4.....He also said "People buy XBOX because we have the biggest exclusives" I mean.....


How can any of these guys know which console is going to be more powerful, if they don't know what Sony will have under the hood and in what timeframe they will release? How can they know. The only reason that Scorpio is more powerful than PRO is because it came 1 year later, with less features than PRO at that for $100 more. Some people really have to remove the wool from their eyes......

As for Obsidian, I hope it does not happen because MS has a knack of destroying devs. Hell, Bungie wanted to jump ship so bad as they were stuck in Halo limbo, so they did. Rare is done, Remedy is done. Those Forza Horizon guys should know they're in it for the longhaul, if and when Fable bombs, they will be back shooting out Horizon's every other year for the rest of their lives...Insomniac had a taste with Sunset overdrive, they're back at Sony. MS purchasing a team is just a bad omen, Ninja Theory better pray that it works out for them, as I liked that team. I truly hope they don't go under, but the writing on the wall is all too familiar..

You seem to be pretty invested in this.

 

[Alebrije]

Anyone with common sense knows the next Xbox will be better positioned than the last one, that's the whole point. How it fares to the next PlayStation is unknown as Sony has a ton of momentum going into next gen. However for once I would like to see Sony come out strong at the very beginning like Nintendo did with the Switch. It usually takes them a couple of years to get going because they support the last generation right til the end meaning there is a gap but they know they have enough loyal fans to carry them through. However with the lack of new announcements the last two years aside from Ghost of Tsushima it dopes look like they are working early on the PS5. Microsoft on the other hand has to come out strong as they came out flat this entire generation due to their shitty marketing and overpriced Kinect box.

They have however turned things around and Phil says he wants the Xbox to be back to being like the original, powerful, but you never really know what the competition is doing and when exactly they will come out. Needless to say they won't be wasting money on something like Kinect and will likely come out with something that is at cost or taking a loss just to come out strong. What we are seeing is refreshing from Microsoft, finally some commitment and they talked about the next Xbox early just to shut the naysayers up. But of course we still have trolls that will go after them no matter what they do.

Yep they fixed the hardware , that’s why I got a Scorpio at launch. Now they need the great IPs . I Play mostly my PS4 because exclusive IPs , the same way a lot of people play Switch. The lack of great NEW exclusive IPs is what keeps Xbone far away from PS4; Phil is doing the logical steps, buy companies to get ASAP new IPs. Halo and Gears are not enough to compete against God of War, TLOU, Bloodborne, Uncharted and exclusives like Nioh , Nier ( for a lot of time), Shadows remaster, Detroit, etc...

So no matter if Scarlett is more powerful than PS5 without games will be impossible to compete against Sony.

 

[Alebrije]

PS3 was 4 billion in R&D, so Sony can go full throttle for hardware if they wish it, but after spending all that, giving the best BC gamers have ever seen (by giving two generations worth of BC in PS1+PS2), where every single title, not some, all could be played......Where they thought a second cell for the GPU would pan out by Ken Kutaragi, but had to settle for an expensive but not the best GPU solution from NV, as they were already a bit late to the market. Yet PS3 was packed with tech and their plans for it was bigger (with a cell GPU), but not everything panned out, they had to release it. Yet PS3 had the; Bluray Drive, SACD, Other OS, USB ports galore etc, even the external was premium. Yet Sony learnt lots from that, BC is not a hardware seller, a $500-600 premium console is a no go, price is important to the consumer, extras are not so important, use the money and put in a better GPU, put in more Ram, put in a better CPU......Make the console more accessible to devs, These are the lessons they learnt on hardware last gen....

Yet for PS5, Sony can go full throttle and take a loss again, because of all the success they've had this gen and because they know people will go where the games are. So they can do 7nm Navi and Ryzen at launch and in two years recoup some costs with a slim at 5nm.....I think Sony will go full throttle on PS5, there is no doubt about that, so anyone thinking MS will automatically have a more powerful console are not being realistic, besides, it's Sony collaborating with AMD on Navi, it's Sony who's had Vega features in PS4-PRO, 1 year before XBONEX and they could have had XBONEX performance 1 year earlier with a $500 PRO, but they realized since last gen that price is important...($400 is their target)....I'm thinking PS5 will be a $600 box sold at $400 in 2020.....

Woah! is this a commercial?

So if all this is a "Phil says" joint.......Then you should also remember some choice quotes......

Phil said "XBONEX is a TRUE 4k console, with the best framerates, none of that Checkerboard, Upscaling stuff you see on PRO etc, PRO should be compared to XBONE-S if anything"

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/13/15790162/microsoft-phil-spencer-xbox-one-x-vs-ps4-pro-interview

Phil said "The high profile games are coming, just wait baby"

It's been five years............Last year when Phil said he's going to show some major titles, he showed Forza 7 as the only AAA title at E3 and said he considered Ori, SOT, Super Lucky's Tales to be major announcements, SMH.....

Phil said "We have some major projects we can't show you yet baby"

Phil then went on to cancel fable legends and scalebound and at this years E3 announces five studios, where one is not even formed yet, two have been making XBOX games (FORZA and SOD), one is an indie studio that just released a game sitting at 63 MC with only 5 reviews on XBOX, farless for when it gets more reviews....Ninja theory, which have been strapped for cash and has never made a huge hit or hardware-moving game is also on board. Yet Phil says, there's lots in the oven for years ongoing, so where were those games at this year's E3, when Crackdown has been in limbo since launch (as the cloud powered behemoth), another promise of huge things yet again. I mean when will people learn.

Phil's PR team said "Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive exceeded all expectations"

Where are the sequels? Dead, MS and these teams broke ties soon after....Now, Insomniac is now making it's biggest game ever on PS4 and Remedy has gone multiplat with Control, which was shown at a Sony conference, strangely....

Phil and his team says "We're no longer giving numbers, because that's an ancient way of reporting"

I mean you have to be as dense as a forest to not get a clue, I mean everything is hidden behind "exceeded expectations", 10 billion dives into the ocean of thieves, 5000 bodyless krakens defeated etc...and they are slammed in NPD every month, Nintendo is outselling them.....


I mean do we forget what Phil's old pal Aaron Greenberg said "MS would never concede power to a Sony system"

He was talking about Xbox One vs PS4.....He also said "People buy XBOX because we have the biggest exclusives" I mean.....


How can any of these guys know which console is going to be more powerful, if they don't know what Sony will have under the hood and in what timeframe they will release? How can they know. The only reason that Scorpio is more powerful than PRO is because it came 1 year later, with less features than PRO at that for $100 more. Some people really have to remove the wool from their eyes......

As for Obsidian, I hope it does not happen because MS has a knack of destroying devs. Hell, Bungie wanted to jump ship so bad as they were stuck in Halo limbo, so they did. Rare is done, Remedy is done. Those Forza Horizon guys should know they're in it for the longhaul, if and when Fable bombs, they will be back shooting out Horizon's every other year for the rest of their lives...Insomniac had a taste with Sunset overdrive, they're back at Sony. MS purchasing a team is just a bad omen, Ninja Theory better pray that it works out for them, as I liked that team. I truly hope they don't go under, but the writing on the wall is all too familiar..

Yep Phil has “talked a lot” but being honest Xbone position now is better than before. Hardware is fixed and software is the next big issue he has to solve . PS5 will be a monster without doubt and hardly see it less powerful than next Xbone, my guess is that both consoles will be pretty similar regarding power capabilities but Sony has the Edge on software. The only way MS could get “ fast” good IPs as exclusives is buying companies like by example Konami and releasing a new Silent Hill or MGS game , at the same time they could be developing new IPs by themselves so by 2025 they could have a solid base of studios like Sony has now.

 

[McCheese]

Do you know which studios MS has been talking to ?

The only one I know of for certain is Crytek, but when the CEO stepped down things stalled.

Just prior to E3 there was a lot of talk about Microsoft and Nintendo making a joint announcement, but that never happened. It's odd, that's probably the only time I've heard the same rumor from so many different sources then it turned out to be absolutely nothing. Or maybe it was just about cross-play and got blown out of proportion. But man, there were a lot of nervously excited folks for a good couple of weeks prior to E3. It's weird too, if your going to make something up that's probably the least believable one considering Nintendo is doing very well on their own, but I still can't shake it - something must have been close to happening, wish I knew what it was.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Anything on topic in this bullshit fanboy warrior post? (Oh wait, there it is at the very bottom, thrown in to avoid being called out)


MS is on a roll right now with their new leadership structure. Buying Obsidian, provided they want to be bought, would be RPG icing on a delicious 1st party cake. If they could add in MDHR and Moon, it would be a flawless year for MS business and Xbox.

...Also, buy Discord and their upcoming storefront and ditch the Windows store already.

That's his out, put a little sentence in there that's on topic and the mods leave him alone. It's downright embarrassing, is this really the audience Sony is looking for?

Microsoft is clearly on the upswing which explains the efforts some take to try and knock them down. It's sad to think some would rather see Obsidian go under than to be with Microsoft. Many are still upset over Ninja Theory but if Sony took an IP that has many generations to it like Street Fighter and made it console exclusive, why is supporting developers who need help a bad thing? Oh that's right, it's Microsoft, time to move those goalposts yet again.

 

[thelastword]

Instead of buying companies, why not get games out of the companies you already own, Microsoft? They're like EA: buy companies, milk a few games, ruin company, start process over with another company.

Precisely. PD has done Motor Toon, they've done Omega Boost, Tourist Trophy. I can understand why Kaz in just focused on GT now as this is a big franchise from Sony and they have few racing IP's these days. Naughty Dog is juggling Uncharted and TLOU. Santa Monica just gave GOW a reboot and have their name stamped on all types of indies like (flow, flower, journey), even PS all stars and more. These teams are not relegated to rehashing the same franchise over and over, at least they try to change the formula or reboot a series past part 3 or lay it to bed....

Not really sure why anyone would be against this. Obsidian needs the money or they eventually go bust. While not having a perfect track record in the past regarding studio treatment, Microsoft is currently giving their studios much more time and freedom regarding game output and they know they need good first party output and have been focusing on that for next gen.
In a perfect world Obsidian stays independent and continues to crank out games for all systems, but this is just not possible anymore and I would much rather see a company with this kind of talent continue to exist instead of disappearing due to bankruptcy.

Give me some examples and I'm not talking Crackdown. For example, if you cite Horizon and the next Forza, do you think these games will be a huge departure than what we've seen of prior entries? As for Crackdown, lots of the rumormill I've read suggests that MS forcing this cloud tech down Sumo's throat and those three studios working together is what's causing all this delay (Sumo, Reagent games and Cloudgine), especially the implementation of cloud features...

Yep they fixed the hardware , that’s why I got a Scorpio at launch. Now they need the great IPs . I Play mostly my PS4 because exclusive IPs , the same way a lot of people play Switch. The lack of great NEW exclusive IPs is what keeps Xbone far away from PS4; Phil is doing the logical steps, buy companies to get ASAP new IPs. Halo and Gears are not enough to compete against God of War, TLOU, Bloodborne, Uncharted and exclusives like Nioh , Nier ( for a lot of time), Shadows remaster, Detroit, etc...

So no matter if Scarlett is more powerful than PS5 without games will be impossible to compete against Sony.

The hardware could have been better, but it wasn't the problem, as can be seen now, because XBONEX is still not lighting the charts on fire. It's also the reason Nintendo is doing better than MS currently, they have much worse hardware than an XBOX-ONE at launch day, without all the cutbacks on kinect, giving devs more access to ram, cpu cores etc...but there's something that's giving such hardware momentum over XBOX-ONE as is evident in the NPD and if you choose to peruse this weeks UK Chart Track.......

Good points otherwise....

Yep Phil has “talked a lot” but being honest Xbone position now is better than before. Hardware is fixed and software is the next big issue he has to solve . PS5 will be a monster without doubt and hardly see it less powerful than next Xbone, my guess is that both consoles will be pretty similar regarding power capabilities but Sony has the Edge on software. The only way MS could get “ fast” good IPs as exclusives is buying companies like by example Konami and releasing a new Silent Hill or MGS game , at the same time they could be developing new IPs by themselves so by 2025 they could have a solid base of studios like Sony has now.

The thing about fixing hardware this late, is you expect software to be fixed too. I don't think anybody has the expectation of running to get a $500 4+ years into this gen with no software to show for it or to show such hardware....If hardware is fixed, then that should come with some good software. So talks of new studios now, does not affect the current XBONEX owner, they will still have to buy new hardware in 2020 to play the games from all those acquistions.

Speaking about acquiring new studios though, it's really not an all-in-one answer. You want great talent rather than just a bevy of studios for the numbers, or at least, you should try to foster it and allow creative freedom, but most importantly, good direction from proven directors......You see, creative freedom is just not about giving any old developer more time. So again it comes back to talent. The SOD team had lots of time to do SOD2, Rare had lots of time to do SOT, We happy few devs had lots of time too, that game was in Early access for a long time.....The Crackdown Team has had more than an age, more time does not alway imply a better product, it can also imply problems or lack of talent to realize the publisher's demands....

So yes, we must be cognizant of when talent pools have shifted and when developers are just not on their A game anymore. Buying Konami now, won't solve MS's problem. There have not been a good Silent Hill game since the PS2, who's going to do it, where's the talent? An MGS without Kojima will just be an empty shell. Look at the last game from Konami under the Metal Gear name, you have to evaluate this before making purchases to solve a problem. Remember, MS's problem is just not about getting games, it's about getting quality games, looking at how most of their games are rated/reviewed at the minute. So if you purchase an outfit like Konami and Silent Hill 5 is just terrible or the next MGS is an abomination with low MC scores, it will hurt MS more and these studios will be quickly summoned to the chopping block to get redress....

The only one I know of for certain is Crytek, but when the CEO stepped down things stalled.

Just prior to E3 there was a lot of talk about Microsoft and Nintendo making a joint announcement, but that never happened. It's odd, that's probably the only time I've heard the same rumor from so many different sources then it turned out to be absolutely nothing. Or maybe it was just about cross-play and got blown out of proportion. But man, there were a lot of nervously excited folks for a good couple of weeks prior to E3. It's weird too, if your going to make something up that's probably the least believable one considering Nintendo is doing very well on their own, but I still can't shake it - something must have been close to happening, wish I knew what it was.

I think that talk had to do with the collaboration for crossplay. FWIW....

Generally

I've read some posts which suggests that Obsidian is in trouble and they need the help, but is that really a formula to get the talent you need to get quality games? Still, how bad are things over at Obsidian, they're on a tear lately. Pillars 1+2 have seen tremendous success and they are a talented studio no doubt, but the possibility of culling their flame and talent is a possibility under MS. As it stands, they're not on the breadline from what I'm reading....

 

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Microsoft is clearly on the upswing which explains the efforts some take to try and knock them down. It's sad to think some would rather see Obsidian go under than to be with Microsoft. Many are still upset over Ninja Theory but if Sony took an IP that has many generations to it like Street Fighter and made it console exclusive, why is supporting developers who need help a bad thing? Oh that's right, it's Microsoft, time to move those goalposts yet again.

If Sony bought Ninja Theory, we'd get an announcement of Hellblade 2 for PS4, and a release on PS6. /semi half-not-really-kidding

Ninja Theory is AWESOME, Hellblade is one of the best games I've played and beat in recent times. That purchase proves to me that Microsoft knows what it's doing as far as the Xbox division is concerned. Buying Obsidian would solidify that fact even more so after PoE 2.

Sony did a great job with the PS4 at the get-go. Microsoft has done a fantastic job since the X1X dropped. MS has the momentum, they have the hardware, and they're acquiring the studios to provide that 1st party goodness.

Competition is good, and what's gets us, as gamers, the games that endure. I don't see anything wrong with that. It's really a case of "Let them Fight". We all win with that scenario.