LittleBusters
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Anyone who thinks XBox Anaconda will not be more powerful than PS5 is delusional. Microsoft is never making that mistake again.
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Brad Sams from Thurrott.com gives informations about the future of Xbox
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Elenchus
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You need to climb down off that soap box and put it back in your trunk beside your "end of the world" sandwich board. Physical media is dead. Demanding that console manufacturers endeavor to save it when probably 70% of their user bases have all digital libraries is the definition of lunacy. Expecting them to sit idly while Google and Amazon prepare for the obvious digital future is the definition of idiocy. You're off to a good start today it seems.
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Just read that new article and honestly, im not impressed at all and my interest is minimal. Seriously, just give me a $500 traditional console with Ryzen CPU, 16GB Ram (or higher if possible), 8TF GPU and 1 TB SSD. Allow it to play discs, download games and stream them. Like PS4/Xbox One does now.
The more I read about what Microsoft wants to do, the more im hoping that Sony doesn't follow suit because if they do, im either done or stuck with Nintendo. UGH.
Microsoft fucked up in 2013 because they tried to force consumers to do what they didn't want to do. In 2020, Microsoft appears to be fucking up by having too many SKU's at launch which in turn oversaturates your own market and brand. One console at launch is ALWAYS the best option because it eliminates people having to decide what's best for them or do research on what they want.
One console is simple - either buy it or don't. That's it. Microsoft is going to have to one hell of a launch line up to get me invested into their brand for next gen. And it better be called Xbox 4 (or better yet, skip 4 and go to Xbox 5) because if it's called Xbox Two, that's just fucking stupid.
Hoping Microsoft's fourth gaming console will be for them what PS4 has been for Sony but jeez, they seem to get further and further away from why I loved them with Xbox 360. Oh well. Hopefully, they change a few things between now and E3 2020.
The more I read about what Microsoft wants to do, the more im hoping that Sony doesn't follow suit because if they do, im either done or stuck with Nintendo. UGH.
Microsoft fucked up in 2013 because they tried to force consumers to do what they didn't want to do. In 2020, Microsoft appears to be fucking up by having too many SKU's at launch which in turn oversaturates your own market and brand. One console at launch is ALWAYS the best option because it eliminates people having to decide what's best for them or do research on what they want.
One console is simple - either buy it or don't. That's it. Microsoft is going to have to one hell of a launch line up to get me invested into their brand for next gen. And it better be called Xbox 4 (or better yet, skip 4 and go to Xbox 5) because if it's called Xbox Two, that's just fucking stupid.
Hoping Microsoft's fourth gaming console will be for them what PS4 has been for Sony but jeez, they seem to get further and further away from why I loved them with Xbox 360. Oh well. Hopefully, they change a few things between now and E3 2020.
a multicultural team of v
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Well yeah, this is probably what would happen, but my reply was specifically about the assertion that the Anaconda would come years later. I'm not sure if any of this makes a ton of sense, but it launching later certainly makes the least sense.
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thehillissilent
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People are used to choices already. Just look at PS4/Pro X1/X1X. I mean Apple has already got people used to it for a long time.
Yeah. Both Scarlett skus will release at the same time. MS will make sure they have the most powerful console (Ananaconda) and the most affordable (Lockheart) so that they can boast about both. Also, you can choose not to get a console and go PC or just use your phone for streaming. MS knows what they are doing. Everybody will be subbing to GamePass even PC folks who are interested in MS stuff.
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12Dannu123
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It's clear you didn't read, Anaconda already does this. Either way traditional consoles, generations and console exclusives is pretty much going away whether people like it or not.
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Generations aren't going away. That's what the next consoles will be - the next generation. Console exclusives will always exist on PlayStation from Sony because they unlike Microsoft have no reason to release their games on PC nor should they. I'm not a PC gamer whatsoever so Microsoft exclusives being on PC means nothing to me but if I was a PC gamer, what's the incentive in owning an Xbox One/Next Xbox?
Anaconda does that but at what price? Is it going to be a 3DO where it's dead on arrival? Is the lower end SKU going to be the one that's the focal point? Just don't like Microsoft's direction. It's not for me. Add in the fact that despite the studios they've acquired, majority of them are not going to be elevated and will stay as is just so they can release quantity content on Game Pass over quality content. I want quality over quantity.
But we'll see. I'll have plenty of store credit racked up in two years to where I could buy both consoles at launch. It's all about if the brand's direction appeals/interests me and the launch lineups and launch window games lineup. It's just that when I look at the direction of both Microsoft and Sony, it's very simple. Sony thus far continues to go in the direction that caters to me and what I want and prefer. We'll all know by E3 2020 what both next gen consoles offer and what the launch lineup will be.
JLB
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My guess is that Lockhart will be comparable to PS5. Those are going to be the "base", usd399-450 models.
On the other hand, Anaconda could be a much expensive, exclusive for enthusiast/hardcore base. I would like MS to not restrict this one on price: Why not to do a usd800/1000 console, ready to compete with high end 2020 PCs?
I mean, the more affordable option(s) for the rest of the market will be there.
EDIT: Just saw Krobille Tweet. Thats exactly what I tried to explain with my msg lol. Yeap, that makes sense.
On the other hand, Anaconda could be a much expensive, exclusive for enthusiast/hardcore base. I would like MS to not restrict this one on price: Why not to do a usd800/1000 console, ready to compete with high end 2020 PCs?
I mean, the more affordable option(s) for the rest of the market will be there.
EDIT: Just saw Krobille Tweet. Thats exactly what I tried to explain with my msg lol. Yeap, that makes sense.
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mckmas8808
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But that's not how Xbox players should want their next-gen games made. You can't really scope a game out that way. If you have to make it run on all platforms, then you have to make it with the lowest quality console in mind and then scale up. If you don't, then lowest quality consoles will just get bad ports/versions of the game.
This is silly and not smart if MS were to take this route. And there's no way to know if it's even true. Just because you make a $500 next-gen console, while the PS5 is $400 doesn't mean people will actually care. And just because you have a $300 option that's slightly better than the X1X, doesn't mean people will want to buy that either.
This reads like MS is splitting the baby and can't decide what direction they want the Xbox brand to go in.
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12Dannu123
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What? I think there is a perfect direction that they know where to go in. I don't understand where you're coming from. They want options for consumers. Shoving consumers with one option down their throats doesn't work.
It's pretty simple where they want Xbox to go. Everything we have seen from Sony is that they are traddiontalist and refuse to adapt.
People that want to spend less, will take into consideration ps4 pro or xone x. microsoft plan is good on paper but not very good in reality. furthermore it will confuse customers.
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mckmas8808
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It's literally the option that has worked for 30 years, dating back to the original NES. MS made it work with the original Xbox and the X360. MS could offer a small $99 streaming-only box and a true next-gen console and be fine. No need for 4 total consoles at once.
And Sony are traditionalist in some ways and innovators in others. I wouldn't call PSVR a traditional move.
vpance
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Actually, remember the 360 Core/Arcade pack. No one wanted it.
Usually if the models are close together in price (or spec) one of them will have better value than the others and 95% of people will just go for that one. Eventually the others are phased out to cut costs.
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mckmas8808
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Holy Crap I forgot all about that
And the PS3 Poor. Those were the days. And it was a mistake on both of their parts to try to cater to many audiences at launch. It only confused people.
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AgentP
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Did you pull this out of your ass? There is no data supporting this number or anything close to it.
Elenchus
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GameStop just reported a 488 mil loss last quarter and is being downgraded by every analyst with any sense but you and a few Japanese soldiers are still holding the beachfront as if there is still a war to fight. Physical media is done.
#ArthurThoughtHeHadMoreTimeToo.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/CD117EE6-F4B4-11E8-AD71-A9FA5576A6EF
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12Dannu123
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How can it confuse people? When people look at the price difference they would know that the most expensive is the best version.
We already see this with storage SKUs.
As long as MS sticks with something like S2 or 2S naming then they should be fine.
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12Dannu123
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Microsoft isn't offering 4 consoles. They are offering 2 consoles for next Gen. If Microsoft doesn't go with the 2X 2S naming, yes it would confuse people, however it's likely they would stick to something like this.
Xbox 2X
Xbox 2S
Xbox One S discless
Xbox One S refresh.
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The fixation on power as a selling-point seems really misguided to me.
The thing people forget is that the PS3 was such a weird piece of hardware design that early titles really suffered compared to their 360 equivalents because devs hadn't got to grips with the peculiarities of the tech. It made the hardware seem weaker than it actually was. This was mitigated somewhat later in the cycle as first-parties gained the experience to leverage its strengths effectively, but the memory architecture was always an issue.
In this gen, we got a similar but far less impactful situation (in terms of performance) between Xbox One and PS4. Which I really don't believe had much bearing on sales; Price difference, the initial focus on TV and Kinect, MS's initial bad PR, etc. I feel had far more effect on relative success.
Next gen, I see the trend continuing insofar as power being of even less importance.
Both Sony and MS seem certain to be sourcing their core chipsets from AMD, meaning that any performance advantage is likely to be mirrored in unit cost, so I see pushing the boat out power-wise being very much a double-edged sword.
The thing people forget is that the PS3 was such a weird piece of hardware design that early titles really suffered compared to their 360 equivalents because devs hadn't got to grips with the peculiarities of the tech. It made the hardware seem weaker than it actually was. This was mitigated somewhat later in the cycle as first-parties gained the experience to leverage its strengths effectively, but the memory architecture was always an issue.
In this gen, we got a similar but far less impactful situation (in terms of performance) between Xbox One and PS4. Which I really don't believe had much bearing on sales; Price difference, the initial focus on TV and Kinect, MS's initial bad PR, etc. I feel had far more effect on relative success.
Next gen, I see the trend continuing insofar as power being of even less importance.
Both Sony and MS seem certain to be sourcing their core chipsets from AMD, meaning that any performance advantage is likely to be mirrored in unit cost, so I see pushing the boat out power-wise being very much a double-edged sword.
mckmas8808
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Ummm.......most sales of AAA games are on physical media still.
AgentP
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Is that somehow data for how many all digital customers there are?
vpance
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Holy Crap I forgot all about that
And the PS3 Poor. Those were the days. And it was a mistake on both of their parts to try to cater to many audiences at launch. It only confused people.
Yeah it was basically a way of being able to say, hey look how inexpensive we are! But it was either bad value or limited in supply.
Quixz
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mckmas8808
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And that's the greatest point! To me, all of these options aren't going to be good options. There's no way in the world you're going to have all these new Xbox Scarlett systems in the supply chain AND have the Xbox One X on the store shelves. If the Xbox One X is on store shelves for $299 with two games in the year 2020 that's a great value.
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IbizaPocholo
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Over the holiday break, the rumor-mill went a bit nuts with the idea that Anaconda, the next generation premium console from Microsoft, will have 240FPS running at 4k. It's time for a reality check and let's poke around the CPU the console is likely to include and frame it up appropriately.
Gamezone
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SlashBringingHasher
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micro usb is still my favorite. stable. Mini usb deteroirates quickly.. both cables and ports. its too small and it gets loose over time. same with USB C. micro usb is small enough to be small . but yet large enough to be durable
mckmas8808
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Why would anybody even want or care about a console that can do 240 frames per second?
levyjl1988
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So if this system is releasing in 2020 and it supports backwards compatibility. I guess I should make the big leap forward and not buy an Xbox One X. I’ve been gaming so far on my Xbox One Halo 5 ed. since. Well before that I had a used Xbox One from launch not the day 1 ed. however. I guess I can wait two more years. No real rush. I don’t even have a 4k tv yet.
FacelessSamurai
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Except there are no obscure architectures now, both competitors run the same hardware with small differences so it’s easy to develop for and easy to optimize for. We can already see it going from Xbox One S to PS4 to PS4 Pro to Xbox One X how games look better going from one to the other. It’ll be the same thing next gen if they all have differences.
Just wondering if lowest priced option will be the same price as a PS5 or if it’ll be cheaper and high end version will be same price as PS5 but slightly more powerful with MS absorbing the cost. Or if by going by that tweet it’ll cheaper and less powerful or more expensive and more powerful, so that all 3 options from MS/Sony are all completely different. Wonder how the public would react.
We see it with cellphones, people aren’t lost when choosing (except for my 60 years old parents but they aren’t gamers). We could see people just going straight to the more powerful option just for the sake of having something that lasts longer, while the price conscious gamer who hasn’t upgraded since og Xbox One and PS4 and has less money will go for the cheaper option.
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Outrunner
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None of this matters if they don't have any good IPs to ship with them. We already know Microsoft can do a great job on the platform side, they just need to get games worth buying their consoles.
Most console players prefer physical games over digital downloads
The news comes from the latest edition of Nielsen’s annual US Games 360 Report, which reveals that 66 percent of surveyed console players would rather buy the physical version of a game. For PC gamers, 71 percent opt for digital downloads, meaning 29 percent tend not to bother with discs.
Maybe for the Master Race, but console gamers prefer physical.
Most console players prefer physical games over digital downloads
The news comes from the latest edition of Nielsen’s annual US Games 360 Report, which reveals that 66 percent of surveyed console players would rather buy the physical version of a game. For PC gamers, 71 percent opt for digital downloads, meaning 29 percent tend not to bother with discs.
Maybe for the Master Race, but console gamers prefer physical.
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IbizaPocholo
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DeepEnigma
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No, lol.
IbizaPocholo
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Quality shilling right here.
Serious question: Are there similarly blatantly partisan PR merchants like this guy bringing the hype for other platforms? I don't have a problem with it personally because I can see it for what it is, but I honestly can't recall seeing equivalent stuff for anyone but MS!
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Quality shilling right here.
Serious question: Are there similarly blatantly partisan PR merchants like this guy bringing the hype for other platforms? I don't have a problem with it personally because I can see it for what it is, but I honestly can't recall seeing equivalent stuff for anyone but MS!
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IbizaPocholo
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LittleBusters
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I wonder what happened to 'The Artful Escape of Francis Vendetti '? That seemed to me the most interesting of the E3 2017 exclusives.
ethomaz
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Something feels weird.
A machine similar to X is not possible at launch because you need a new die shrink to reach what X is to Xbox One that takes two or three years to happen.
Unless you release a machine way underpowered being the cheape one and the expensive one being the Xbox One similar release.
Edit - I fall for the necro again
A machine similar to X is not possible at launch because you need a new die shrink to reach what X is to Xbox One that takes two or three years to happen.
Unless you release a machine way underpowered being the cheape one and the expensive one being the Xbox One similar release.
Edit - I fall for the necro again
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Yeah if they see them as the same thing I better see a virtual Xbox on my PC that allows me to play not only Xbox Play Anywhere games but Xbox Scarlett, Xbox One including their BC titles on my PC and hopefully relatively soon-ish like early-mid 2019 especially the Xbox One stuff.
Playing KH3 on PC uncapped framerate and Freesync like Xbox One X except on a more powerful system.
I mean Xbox Game Pass on PC so that better mean Xbox One games besides Play Anywhere are coming to PC
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I hope Microsoft does not release 4 consoles. I got a headache just thinking about supporting all that hardware. Not mention as a consumer, I don’t want to be thinking about or reading about “which Xbox is right for me.”
I rather have one target console. I’m fine with repurposing XBX as a streaming box. I still prefer physical games.
I rather have one target console. I’m fine with repurposing XBX as a streaming box. I still prefer physical games.
Well looking at the SKUs it's not hard to determine what console is right for you just go for what you want and what is within your budget. I don't see the issue of offering options to the buyers as long as it's not confusing.
JustP_Gaming
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All SKUs will play the same games what will be confusing about that? One box might not do 60 frames, one box might not be 4k but they will all play the same games.
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Barakov
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Come on now. At $399, that's enough to give anyone stiff nips.
Memorabilia
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LOL Holy shit you sound like an arrogant, anti-social prick. And your conclusions are pulled straight out of your ass. Your Gamesstop point is irrelevant and means two things in terms of determining actual physical VS digital market share: 1) Jack & 2) Shit. Digital is no doubt gaining while physical in waning, but physical is far from dead. Physical will remain viable for at least one more generation for myriad reasons, not least of which is due to the dogshit internet speeds &/or data caps that much of the world (especially in the US) currently deals with. When everybody has Google fiber then your all digital dream will speed to fruition. Until then it's just masturabatory fever dream fantasy land BS that people who live in a high speed bubble have convinced themselves must be true for everyone else as well. Here's a clue: it's not. And it's not close to happening anytime soon.
levyjl1988
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So when the new Xbox comes out, can I plug in my external HDD from my Xbox One, plug it into the new Xbox system and immediately start playing my games library? I couldn't use my 360 external HDD on my Xbox One. Redownloading over 500 games is going to be a huge bitch.
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