DeepEnigma
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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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ManaByte
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Study investigates if COVID-19 came to Calif. in fall 2019
Researchers at Stanford Medicine are working to find out what proportion of Californians have already had COVID-19. The new study could help policymakers make more informed decisions during the coronavirus pandemic.
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Then why didn't we lockdown the planet last fall?!?
DeepEnigma
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Study investigates if COVID-19 came to Calif. in fall 2019
Researchers at Stanford Medicine are working to find out what proportion of Californians have already had COVID-19. The new study could help policymakers make more informed decisions during the coronavirus pandemic.
Then why didn't we lockdown the planet last fall?!?
They were too busy trying to play the "impeachment" wildcard... go go plan B!
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Phunkydiabetic
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I go out once a week, if not longer than once a week, and I sometimes forget how bizarre the world has turned. It's easy to become accustomed to just hanging out at home and doing the social isolation thing. Then I go out to Walmart for a stock up session and I'm greeted with a 45 min lineup to get inside. Then I get inside and there is tape all over the floor and they are enforcing the 2' rule so you arent all piles up in the aisles. Everyone with gloves and masks on.
The whole process took two hours. Wild stuff.
*slinks back into house and hunkers
The whole process took two hours. Wild stuff.
*slinks back into house and hunkers
Phunkydiabetic
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They were too busy trying to play the "impeachment" wildcard... go go plan B!
That impeachment will go down as the most egregious display of hubris in modern times. If anyone needs any pointers on how not to go through an impeachment process, the democrats will be happy to show you.
Alx
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Study investigates if COVID-19 came to Calif. in fall 2019
Researchers at Stanford Medicine are working to find out what proportion of Californians have already had COVID-19. The new study could help policymakers make more informed decisions during the coronavirus pandemic.
Then why didn't we lockdown the planet last fall?!?
If the virus already went through most of the population last year, surely there would be an observable surge of mortality, even if it was mistaken as regular flu.
Alx
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Interesting. How many deaths were registered previous seasons ?
One has also to wonder how it wouldn't have spread further from California. I suppose there's also a lot of traffic between west coast and east coast, even more than between Wuhan and LA.
Nester99
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Nymphae
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I have only went out to the stores once since this whole debacle began. Despite being annoyed that I wasn't able to do my usual routine of shopping late on a Friday or Saturday night to avoid humans, I found the experience pretty nice.
I went out for groceries on a Sunday around 5 pm, figuring people would be home eating. The grocery store I went to had nobody lined out front, so I had to wait for about 20 seconds before being let in. Customer limits are keeping the stores nice and empty, I can just go grab my stuff and get out quickly, no more waiting in line behind 3 people with completely filled carts.
My workplace - annoyingly loud chatters are spooked and now working from home so now I finally have the relative peace and quiet I've been seeking for almost a decade here. Everything is being kept super clean, and the working from home has pushed our company to introduce many new communication tools and procedures which are helping everyone do their jobs better.
Only downside so far has been that I haven't been able to spend much time with my GF.
I went out for groceries on a Sunday around 5 pm, figuring people would be home eating. The grocery store I went to had nobody lined out front, so I had to wait for about 20 seconds before being let in. Customer limits are keeping the stores nice and empty, I can just go grab my stuff and get out quickly, no more waiting in line behind 3 people with completely filled carts.
My workplace - annoyingly loud chatters are spooked and now working from home so now I finally have the relative peace and quiet I've been seeking for almost a decade here. Everything is being kept super clean, and the working from home has pushed our company to introduce many new communication tools and procedures which are helping everyone do their jobs better.
Only downside so far has been that I haven't been able to spend much time with my GF.
Cybrwzrd
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Study investigates if COVID-19 came to Calif. in fall 2019
Researchers at Stanford Medicine are working to find out what proportion of Californians have already had COVID-19. The new study could help policymakers make more informed decisions during the coronavirus pandemic.
Then why didn't we lockdown the planet last fall?!?
I can see Stanford is trying to appease their CCP masters.
CasperDarling
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Acting like a normal human being and not lying his ass off would be a good start!
Nester99
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So no tangible advice just wanted to display your TDS to the rest of the class?
Cybrwzrd
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He acts far more like a normal human being than the people who screech about acting like a normal human being.
HotPocket69
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Mr Nash
square pies = communism
Apparently the Costcos in my area have customers screaming at each other when someone stands a little too close. Costco has always attracted a particularly selfish kind of asshole as their customer base, and they're really showing their stripes as of late by the sound of things.
ManaByte
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Walmart is 10000% worse. Have been avoiding Walmart since they turned it into concentration camp conditioning and been going to a normal supermarket. It's about $1 more on average but it's better for sanity.
Mr Nash
square pies = communism
That's what I've been doing too, hitting up some local places that aren't crazy busy. Also would prefer to give my money to smaller, local business at the moment. They need customers more than the big corporate chains do at the moment.
Grinchy
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After trying for like 4 mornings in a row, I was finally able to get a grocery delivery order placed for Sunday morning. I've tried a couple later deliveries in previous weeks and they have been complete failures.
Hopefully this one will go well. In Ohio, supposedly even grocery stores are now having to limit the number of shoppers who enter the building at a time. I'm not getting stuck standing in some weird outdoor line to go into the building while unprepared Karen takes an hour inside.
Hopefully this one will go well. In Ohio, supposedly even grocery stores are now having to limit the number of shoppers who enter the building at a time. I'm not getting stuck standing in some weird outdoor line to go into the building while unprepared Karen takes an hour inside.
cryptoadam
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So did anyone from a non communist country ever think they would be standing in "bread lines" ?
I have a little sneaking feeling that this limitations is one part social distancing and one part rationing.
I have a little sneaking feeling that this limitations is one part social distancing and one part rationing.
Mr Nash
square pies = communism
This part blows my mind. So many morons just wandering around inside the place wasting the time of others. Apparently making a list, getting what you need, and leaving posthaste is too much to ask. This pandemic is really doing a good job to shine a light on how many stupid fucks walk amongst us.
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Deleted member 17706
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Wait, really? And those are ONS stats? That's odd... I highly doubt deaths in Scotland and Northern Ireland would take that number into the 1,500s...
Fun Fanboy
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It's those 5G towers in NY I tell ya!
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Deleted member 17706
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This post belongs in the Clown World thread.
And yeah, even two days in a row of the same number of deaths would be quite an improvement if your death numbers had been growing 10 ~ 20% or more daily up until that point.
In regards to the pneumonia deaths image, this was the "facts" that were shared in response to it.
It's not a "model," but a visualization of historical data and how the CDC's numbers get updated as time goes on.
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ManaByte
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Through what method does the president just "take care of people financially" while bypassing Congress?
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Phunkydiabetic
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Ah! There you go. This goes back to one of the many reasons of why I think Canada is handling this situation far better than America is.
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Deleted member 17706
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Wow, that's crazy... Here in the Seattle area, the stores are mostly completely normal. I've seen some plastic barriers erected in between customers and cashiers in some locations, but for the most part, it's just business as usual.
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cryptoadam
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So end of first wave this summer as per our black face PM.
#Phonepunk#
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having 1/10th the number of people living there than the US does has makes it far more easy to serve them. the US has 10x the population squeezed into a smaller landmass.
another reason is Canada also has way fewer immigrants. there is an upper limit of 200,000 estimated undocumented migrants in Canada. contrast this to 11.1 million in the USA.
Canada has many privileges that make it an easier place to manage. most of the reason they are able to do better is just based on geographic coincidence. having 1/10th the people makes it easier. having a fraction of a fraction undocumented clogging up hospitals makes a difference. they just have an easier time all around. has little to do with "how they are handling it"
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Sign
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They increased unemployment among other things and will most certainly do more if necessary which is pretty much guaranteed. The U.S. was the first to block travel to China, if memory serves. In fact, most of the media / dems called Trump racist for doing so. Everything from that point on has been in response to the data that has been collected about the virus and within the confines of the constitution. U.S. is a collection of states with a lot of autonomy so a good deal of action has been taken at the local level as well. Trump has been giving almost daily briefings to keep people up to date. While there is always more that can be done in any given scenario, as an American, I can't say there is much in this situation I'd change about the response from Trump and co.
That...that is a joke right? Haha. Even just speaking on a "taking care of its citizens financially" point America has failed. That one time $1200 check will sure be handy next month when the bills keep rolling in eh? This is before getting into the rest of the response thus far.
As an aside, considering how this thing can spread asymptomatically I'm generally of the belief the world was gg before a single person went to the hospital in China. The whole world has been playing catch up since and will be for the foreseeable future. The bigger question has less to do with the initial response and more about what the U.S. / world change from it. There are things I'd like to see as an American, and those are the things that can be screwed up. If our meds are still largely manufactured overseas after this then we learned nothing.
ManaByte
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Don't bring population numbers into this.
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hariseldon
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It's aboot time people stopped doing that.
Alebrije
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Serious doubt ...are bread lines in France, Spain or UK? Similar to the ones in the US.
Because i do not see them in other countries , I guess is because US culture of high consume so chains are rationating products to avoid another situation similar to the toilet paper few weeks ago.
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Deleted member 17706
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Well, it certainly is a lot easier to propose and quickly enact new laws when your head of government is also basically head of the legislature as well.
I prefer the American system of an independent executive branch, personally, but it can be "inconvenient" in times like these, especially when the party in charge of the legislative branch absolutely hates the president and seems to prefer a situation in which the country fails and Americans are hurt over giving Trump any perceived wins.
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cryptoadam
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Serious doubt ...are bread lines in France, Spain or UK? Similar to the ones in the US.
Because i do not see them in other countries , I guess is because US culture of high consume so chains are rationating products to avoid another situation similar to the toilet paper few weeks ago.
We have them in Canada now. Any store you want to go to there is usually a line.
Its being done now so as to limit customers in the store due to social distancing. But I also think a small amount of it is to ration food out. So ya like 80% social distancing, but maybe 20% to limit grocery sales.
JT basically just said that this is basically going to be the new life in Canada until there is a vaccine. So until we have a cure we will expect different levels of lockdown and waves of the virus.
I hate to say it but this vaccine talk to me feels like just more ways of placating society. We were told these lockdowns would last 2 weeks or a month. Now lots of people are floating lockdowns forever or multiple lockdowns.
MERS/SARS/HIV where are the vaccines? HIV was around since the 80's and it took decades to even get some theraputics so it wasn't a death sentence. I hope we get a vaccine but this 12-24 month time line is probably way off.
*if I am totally wrong and we have vaccines for MERS/SARS/HIV then I take back my last paragraph*
HellforLeather
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The lines are because stores are limiting the amount of people in them and making people space out so they dont cough and sneeze on each other like fucking animals. The government is not rationing food to the masses which is what a "bread line" is.
ManaByte
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Serious doubt ...are bread lines in France, Spain or UK? Similar to the ones in the US.
Because i do not see them in other countries , I guess is because US culture of high consume so chains are rationating products to avoid another situation similar to the toilet paper few weeks ago.
In the US there aren't bread lines. There are toilet paper lines because people are fucking idiots.
Phunkydiabetic
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Wow, I'm in Ontario and we are behaving this way and our infection and death rate is nowhere near Washington's!
Gp1
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They were too busy trying to play the "impeachment" wildcard... go go plan B!
At least we Brazilians, as impeachment specialists, wait until the president do some real shit (like spending way above the budget) to impeach.
Otherwise you only creat a stronger president. (Impeachment 101)
Phunkydiabetic
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As the whole impeachment (and many other instances in American history) has shown, this is one of the greatest flaws in the American political system. All it takes is one pouty faced group of butthurt people to grind any sort of progress to a halt. Look how many times the Republicans did it to Obama. And the Democrats did to Bush Jr. before that and on and on.
DunDunDunpachi
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It's a feature, not a bug.
And if life can't go on when Mommy and Daddy Federal cannot get along, then it should be taken as a sign that they wield too much power and States need to take better care of themselves without their oversight.
The Scrivener
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lol that's not a dip, that's a whole other level, far, far below.
But I'm not gonna argue with you lot. I'm sure you're doing a stellar job keeping people updated with graphs.
Twitter graphs are our new reality, and if you question the Twitter Graph, it's off social media for you!
And if you want Clown World, here: Twitter graphs are right about coronavirus.
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Stilton Disco
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We have ques in the UK too, although people are standing way further apart than in that picture, and once in there's a decent stock of most everything and people are both staying far away from one another and gettingnin and out as quickly as possible.Serious doubt ...are bread lines in France, Spain or UK? Similar to the ones in the US.
Because i do not see them in other countries , I guess is because US culture of high consume so chains are rationating products to avoid another situation similar to the toilet paper few weeks ago.
Joe T.
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He also said there is no going back to normal life for another year and a half, until after a vaccine is created, then highlighted the importance of contact tracing to keep future waves to a minimum. That's the opposite of good news to me, especially as governments around the world are currently relying on digital tracking to monitor their people.
He talks about rebounding strongly from this, but that won't happen with what he's suggesting.
cryptoadam
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I think thats like 80-90% of it. I think there is a small % of it to limit food.
But thats today, give it a few months and then we will probably see real "bread lines"
My PM is basically telling us until there is a vaccine we aren't going back to normal. After our "1st wave" we will allow some economic activity to start up.
Once the supply chains from globalization start drying up, its going to be up to each country to produce their own food. And if your country can't do that while the virus is out there then your going to be fucked.
Phunkydiabetic
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I have often wondered if the U.S. would benefit by going the route of Europe. States becoming almost fully autonomous and the country held together in a EU style arrangement (but hopefully better run than the EU).
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Did you not even comprehend what that visual was showing? Every year shows huge drops in deaths, but as time goes on the CDC updates the data and the fall more in line with previous years.
Furthermore, the drops in pneumonia shown in the image that is being circulated are only up to Week 11 (ending March 15th), which is right before deaths attributed to COVID-19 started to spike in the United States. I was initially super curious about the drop in pneumonia deaths after Tucker Carlson mentioned it, but it doesn't appear to be anything out of the ordinary.
Considering the shit show in the EU right now... I do not think so.
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