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[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Its not a challenge. Its been decided already. But feel free to spin it any way you want I guess. Nothing changes. The fact you guys keep trying to make the PS5 more than what it is, is interesting.

Its been decided? by who? GAF? DF?

 

[Bryank75]

2 teraflops is a huge effing gaping vagina of a difference in power, people claiming otherwise are not hardware enthusiasts. They're idiots. Microsoft will take the Graphics Crown as long as they want it, otherwise they may leave that to 2nd/3rd party developers to do but the performance/power crown is in the Series X and you are running on wishful thinking if you believe otherwise.

Xbox has had an almost 2 teraflop advantage with the One X.... their games are still trash for the most part and cannot touch PlayStation exclusives.....

If the 2tflops makes so little difference from Pro to One X, imagine how stupidly imperceptible the differences will be between PS5 and Series X in 3rd party games....

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Didn’t say due to a battery shortage, I meant to say when the internal battery dies, unless you buy a lithium battery and play operation on your controller to replace it, you are left with a useless wireless controller and I know how much eneloops cost, luckily if you want something cheaper, there are cheaper alternative brands, charge and play kit being one of them, and if you just look you can find Xbox controllers cheaper than $60.

There is a very healthy supply of internal battery replacement parts for all PS4 controllers on Ebay and a rich source of youtube videos on exact steps to replace said internal batteries.

I often wonder where people get the idea that Dualshock 4's are being thrown away left right and center. Imagine throwing away $60 controller when a sinple battery replacement can do the job that costs a fraction of the controllers price and will maybe take 25mins to do the job in an afternoon.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Xbox has had an almost 2 teraflop advantage with the One X.... their games are still trash for the most part and cannot touch PlayStation exclusives.....

If the 2tflops makes so little difference from Pro to One X, imagine how stupidly imperceptible the differences will be between PS5 and Series X in 3rd party games....

LOL. Aside from cherry picked games, the majority of X games vs Pro are much better on X. Some of them even had double the pixel count even though it was only 40% faster.

As for games, depends on what someone prefers. If a gamer likes exclusive SP narratives, PS is the way to go. If someone wants more variety, Xbox is better.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

There is a very healthy supply of internal battery replacement parts for all PS4 controllers on Ebay and a rich source of youtube videos on exact steps to replace said internal batteries.

I often wonder where people get the idea that Dualshock 4's are being thrown away left right and center. Imagine throwing away $60 controller when a sinple battery replacement can do the job that costs a fraction of the controllers price and will maybe take 25mins to do the job in an afternoon.

And when did people complain about their DualShock controllers dying out?

This just smells like hypothetical myth bullshit to me.

 

[Pallas]

Oops, I meant battery dying, not shortage.

Again, eneloops and the play kit won't last longer than the internal battery as my friend owned both before on the 360 and that didn't last longer than my DS3.

That's why I believe it's a myth that people throw out their DS controllers when we all know you can just plug it on a portable battery charger and the console.

Those eneloops lose their full function over time as well, so both are prone to dying.

It’s a myth that some people throw away their controllers once it stops functioning wirelessly because the battery dies? I’m sure some opens and replaces the battery but those DS4’s don’t last forever. By the way I’m not arguing about which controller is better, but to say the Xbox one controller is less of a controller because it doesn’t use internal batteries is asinine my friend.

There is a very healthy supply of internal battery replacement parts for all PS4 controllers on Ebay and a rich source of youtube videos on exact steps to replace said internal batteries.

I often wonder where people get the idea that Dualshock 4's are being thrown away left right and center. Imagine throwing away $60 controller when a sinple battery replacement can do the job that costs a fraction of the controllers price and will maybe take 25mins to do the job in an afternoon.

You’re making it out as if I’m suggesting that everyone throws them out and I’m not but it’s not hard to imagine that it happens and where is everyone getting these prices? If you are spending $60 on a new controller(at least in the US) then you aren’t looking very far.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

LOL. Aside from cherry picked games, the majority of X games vs Pro are much better on X. Some of them even had double the pixel count even though it was only 40% faster.

As for games, depends on what someone prefers. If a gamer likes exclusive SP narratives, PS is the way to go. If someone wants more variety, Xbox is better.

Good post up until the bolded.

 

[sneas78]

Who ever thinks that consoles have hit diminishing returns are nuts.

None of these consoles can do Full Path ray Tracing at a 4K resolution.
There is a ton of headroom for growth in the Ray Tracing Performance Dept.

I don’t think anyone is saying that, but you going to need more TF .. 2 TF when both are over 10 and Xbox is only 12 is not like a switch vs Xbox one.. as far at TF and visuals go. 2 TF difference after this gen say 2027, Xbox series XX vs PS6 40TF vs 42TF is even less then now.

What I hope we get in the future maybe next gen, is I want every game to not have the linear, same path story as far as playing the game and if you replay it, I hope we get a different experience, almost a different story. Maybe more like GTA, I’m a sense.. not sure if that makes sense.

 

[Onocromin]

That's not really how this works, and I believe you've misunderstood the point that that image makes. Firstly, the image can paint an incorrect view of the concept of diminishing returns, if you don't understand what it's actually saying. Taken correctly, it's highlighting that if you wasted a x10 triangle count on improving ancillary details of only existing objects, you're an idiot who has no place in asset design.

For those unaware of what this picture is demonstrating, which still isn't actually touched on completely in ernest in the above aforementioned quote unless it is in sly - (and I think that was the point here) so yes if you are unaware of what this is really demonstrating - which is probably most gamers here -

This outdated illustration is a 3d model.. that has not been meticulously recreated in lock step with it's increase in subdivisions.

Meaning they've essentially taken the model at one point (the third statue in this case) and simply added a subdivision modifier to an existing asset which makes for a poorly optimized and now out of date illustration.

In other-words, to show off what more poly's actually would look like - the model would need to be recreated to take advantage of the actual subdivision increase each time a subdivision is added - but in this example they've simply thrown a subdivision modifier on top of an old pre existing 3d model. Which is a great way to give a face lift to older, more jaggy games - but a misrepresentation.


Making most people in ernest go "Wow that's not nearly as impactful as I thought it should be" and of course not.

The 3d model would need to be built from the ground up with the correct amount of vertices each time a subdivision was added, opposed to simply adding a layer or two of subdivision atop an existing model.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

It’s a myth that some people throw away their controllers once it stops functioning wirelessly because the battery dies? I’m sure some opens and replaces the battery but those DS4’s don’t last forever. By the way I’m not arguing about which controller is better, but to say the Xbox one controller is less of a controller because it doesn’t use internal batteries is asinine my friend.



You’re making it out as if I’m suggesting that everyone throws them out and I’m not but it’s not hard to imagine that it happens and where is everyone getting these prices? If you are spending $60 on a new controller(at least in the US) then you aren’t looking very far.

Sorry I dont mean to come across as attacking you. I hear this kind if thing on other forums too. That people need to dispose of their dualshock 4s after the battery life capacity is almost depleted.

And to be honest it is hard to imagine someone throwing away a controllers. These things are not cheap. I cant picture someone throwing away a controller because the battery life cannot hold a long enough charge. Unless you have money to waste then yeah but I imagine these controllers get sold 2nd hand on classifieds sites. Here in NZ a controller costs $114 and the custom Sony ones can reach $135.
Jesus, if I fork out $114 for a controller and months down the line the battery can barely hold 4 hours of charge, I'm absolutley not throwing it away.

I have a broken dualshock 4 myself. Why have I not thrown it away? Because it cost me money. I'd rather fix or sell it. But at the moment it's just on display on my tv stand currently.

People who buy consoles are not 5 years old mate. I dont imagine anyone us willing to just throw away a controller without atleast trying to sell or fix it.

 

[Onocromin]

Xbox has had an almost 2 teraflop advantage with the One X.... their games are still trash for the most part and cannot touch PlayStation exclusives.....

If the 2tflops makes so little difference from Pro to One X, imagine how stupidly imperceptible the differences will be between PS5 and Series X in 3rd party games....

I don't know how we would know their games are trash, it isn't like One X has released it's console killer exclusive titles just yet. We have to wait until next gen to see what games look like this gen on the X wtf is wrong with the world. lol

But no, I maintain, 2 TF is a massive advantage, it's a whole extra xbox one worth of performance basically. Meanwhile, I'm sure we'll see a large performance boost across 3rd party games if Microsoft decided to again go a generation without releasing a cutting edge game to go with it's product. But with 15 new studios to make up for last gen - I think theirs a real reason for fanboys to be scared.

Me, I'm no fanboy - just a gamer.

 

[Bryank75]

I don't know how we would know their games are trash, it isn't like One X has released it's console killer exclusive titles just yet. We have to wait until next gen to see what games look like this gen on the X wtf is wrong with the world. lol

But no, I maintain, 2 TF is a massive advantage, it's a whole extra xbox one worth of performance basically. Meanwhile, I'm sure we'll see a large performance boost across 3rd party games if Microsoft decided to again go a generation without releasing a cutting edge game to go with it's product. But with 15 new studios to make up for last gen - I think theirs a real reason for fanboys to be scared.

Me, I'm no fanboy - just a gamer.

They already said they're not doing series X exclusives for 2 years into it's lifecycle.... just the same stuff they're doing on Xbox One.

 

[HeadsUp7Up]

Yo stop making all of these threads. We get it, you love Sony and you’re happy the PS5 is coming out. Stop it, get some help.

Edit: And for the record I do ignore these threads, going on like 24 or something like that.

 

[Onocromin]

They already said they're not doing series X exclusives for 2 years into it's lifecycle.... just the same stuff they're doing on Xbox One.

Waiting two years to make exclusives is way better than not having any exclusives that really utilize the hardware.

Poor One X is like what...3-4 years without a real true first party exclusive at this rate? Just crossgen trash?

 

[ILLtown]

I'm in the process of picking out parts to build myself a new PC. I had no idea that I should just pick the fastest SSD I can find, as that's now the most important component for a games machine and weaker CPUs and GPUs don't matter as long as you can score the highest on CrystalDiskMark.

WTF even is this thread? lol. If you're trolling/messing around, fair enough.

 

[DoctaThompson]

Correct me if I'm wrong. But didn't Xbox already say that its storage devices are proprietary, meaning you cannot buy off the shelf SSDs and only from Microsoft?

825GB of a superior SSD is more favourable to a slower but larger SSD. The implications behind Sony's SSD also feeds into its first party titles and how their level designs will differ from the rest of the games, making PS5's exclusives even more unique.

Essentially, couldn't someone just take a faster, superior PC SSD, and slap it in the ps5? (There are faster SSD's available for PC since 2019 since you think Sony has world record fast SSD. Maybe in console, but not in general)

 

[Onocromin]

Essentially, couldn't someone just take a faster, superior PC SSD, and slap it in the ps5? (There are faster SSD's available for PC since 2019 since you think Sony has world record fast SSD. Maybe in console, but not in general)

Both Consoles state specifically, the PC gen has kinda diminished and that their own solutions are in fact faster currently.

 

[Onocromin]

Man I looked across more threads here and most of them are like "But that faster storage solution is gonna really mean better graphics stupid xbox losers - not that 2 TF's of extra graphical power Series X is sporting... it's all about that storage capacity baaaabbbby." LOL I came here excited about making a hardware enthusiast gaming thread once my status changes over to Member and EVERYONE HERE is like, SCREW GRAPHICS ITS ALL ABOUT THAT FAST SSD TO LOAD MUH GAMES WAY FAAAST!

What the hell have I gotten myself into! Am I even among people that will appreciate a hardcore hardware enthusiest thread! I'm not sure anymore! LOL

 

[DoctaThompson]

Both Consoles state specifically, the PC gen has kinda diminished and that their own solutions are in fact faster currently.

If PS5 requires similar or better speeds than its PS5 SSD, the only replacement to get is a slower, similar speed or faster SSD than PS5 comes with stock. Granted it will be more expensive than a standard SSD, but PS5 DOES NOT HAVE THE FASTEST SSD, otherwise, it would use proprietary solutions. Thought this was a bit obvious by now, but OP and others seem to ignore simple FACTS.

 

[Onocromin]

Both Manufacturers have stated their own proprietary driiiiiives arrrreee faaaaaasteeeeer

YESSSS they haaaaaaave. The Prior stating that you will have to wait for the newest SSD drives that support blah blah blah to come out to be on par with their own solution.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

I don’t get the big deal about the batteries. Eneloops are like $2 a piece on Ebay. Personally I have always preferred removable batteries to cables whether it’s controllers or cell phones.

 

[captainraincoat]

Exactly my point, dweebs like you making the SSD out to be this game changer and you’re talking about one SSD loading stuff super fast versus the other one loading stuff super duper fast.

And you’re ignoring that the PS5 is at 600k sometimes, if the CPU throttles down to allow it.

Oh but wait I forgot the SSD will also improve the CPU

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

It’s a myth that some people throw away their controllers once it stops functioning wirelessly because the battery dies? I’m sure some opens and replaces the battery but those DS4’s don’t last forever. By the way I’m not arguing about which controller is better, but to say the Xbox one controller is less of a controller because it doesn’t use internal batteries is asinine my friend.



You’re making it out as if I’m suggesting that everyone throws them out and I’m not but it’s not hard to imagine that it happens and where is everyone getting these prices? If you are spending $60 on a new controller(at least in the US) then you aren’t looking very far.

Sorry Pallas , but your post has too many contradictions and false assumptions that I'm not gonna bother explaining my reasons for a second time.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Pallas 1 - MHK 0

 

[njean777]

Meh, don't see the console being superior. MS has really picked up their hardware game (looking at the surface, and Xbox One X). So we shall see.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Pallas 1 - MHK 0

 

[Xaero Gravity]

You're stuck with me, bitch boi

 

[Onocromin]

..............Meanwhile at Microsoft Headquarters

"Boy this AI derived Phil Spencer is something special, look's and sounds like the real thing Don't you Think Phil?"

"Yes Mr. Gates"

.................."And you made those other developer acquisitions last night didn't you?"

"Of Course".................

Bill Gates - " That makes 17 new first Party Studios. What are we going to do with them?"

Phil Spencer - "I dunno"

 

[The Pleasure]

My friend just got animal crossing for the switch. The loading was so long that I swear I was playing the Neo Geo CD waiting for a KOF match. Took minutes and it was still loading. I think this is what happened after watching it load for minutes on end.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

..............Meanwhile at Microsoft Headquarters

"Boy this AI derived Phil Spencer is something special, look's and sounds like the real thing Don't you Think Phil?"

"Yes Mr. Gates"

.................."And you made those other developer acquisitions last night didn't you?"

"Of Course".................

Bill Gates - " That makes 17 new first Party Studios. What are we going to do with them?"

Phil Spencer - "I dunno"

You joined Monday and you're already trying too hard

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

..............Meanwhile at Microsoft Headquarters

"Boy this AI derived Phil Spencer is something special, look's and sounds like the real thing Don't you Think Phil?"

"Yes Mr. Gates"

.................."And you made those other developer acquisitions last night didn't you?"

"Of Course".................

Bill Gates - " That makes 17 new first Party Studios. What are we going to do with them?"

Phil Spencer - "I dunno"

Imagine pretending to be a "cOmPuTeR sCiEnTiSt" and typing shit like this.

I'll give you a week before the mods figure out who you really are.

 

[Onocromin]

Imagine pretending to be a "cOmPuTeR sCiEnTiSt" and typing shit like this.

I'll give you a week before the mods figure out who you really are.

I'll ignore this due to the utter irrelevance presented therein.

And also, where have you in fact figured out anything about me other than the fact that I'll call BS when I see it as I am just a gamer.

HEY LOOK A NEW SSD! I HEEEEARD IT RUUUNS GAMES ALL BY ITSELF!

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

I'll ignore this due to the utter irrelevance presented therein.

And also, where have you in fact figured out anything about me other than the fact that I'll call BS when I see it as I am just a gamer.

HEY LOOK A NEW SSD! I HEEEEARD IT RUUUNS GAMES ALL BY ITSELF!

This fucking guy, man

 

[sneas78]

Don’t people who’s battery controller die , just use the usb cable? That’s what I do.. sure at some point I replace the controller with a new one, because something breaks..

 

[Phase]

Phase , is this your brother who lives a few hours away from you?

If only my brother cared enough about video games to use forums.

 

[Phase]

Sony's goal is to evolve the physical act of playing a video game. This why they spent so much time on their audio processor. This is why they expanded the functionality of their controller and renamed it DualSense. This is why they are so proud of their solid state drive and associated chip set. All of their choices point to a long term plan to expand the capabilities of 'play'. Of course they could have skipped all this and shelled out for a bigger GPU, but when we're talking about this much processing capability anyway what's a few pixels here or there, really?

MiyazakiHatesKojima I just noticed

A George, divided against itself, cannot stand!

 

[CaptainClaw]

Imagine pretending to be a "cOmPuTeR sCiEnTiSt" and typing shit like this.

I'll give you a week before the mods figure out who you really are.

You've mentioned this quite a few times, so if anyone challenges your opinions the first thing you assume is they're using a fake account?...sounds like projecting to me

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

You've mentioned this quite a few times, so if anyone challenges your opinions the first thing you assume is they're using a fake account?...sounds like projecting to me

First of all, have you read his posts?

Second of all, have you read the Ban Page for the past several weeks?

Third of all, I'm not projecting. I've actually agreed with some posts here that went against what I said on the OP.

 

[NoMoChokeSJ]

A couple of questions, because I feel like I've missed a lot of news here:

1. If PlayStation didn't go down the power route, why do they need a "lavish and expensive cooling system"? Microsoft's cooling overkill is because they've packed their box to the rafters with as much power as they can. If Sony had a deliberate focus-shift away from power, like the Gamecube before it, wouldn't that also come with lesser cooling requirements, not more? Why would Sony spend money on something they don't need, only driving up the cost of the console?
2. Do the controllers buttons actually light up? I haven't read that anywhere? I also kinda doubt it, because it's pointless - your fingers sit over the buttons, blocking the light?
3. Link for the world record on their SSD please.
4. Is the controller's haptics state-of-the-art? General opinion so far seems to place it somewhere around Valve's discontinued Steam controller? I'd appreciate some further information.
5. Maybe I've misunderstood - in built PSU doesn't mitigate cooling. That's why Microsoft used power bricks on their previous consoles - to get the heat out of the console. In the case of the Xbox 360, that still wasn't enough to stop the console overheating.
6. Sony have not announced any backward compatibility plans for functionality that "
   
   encompasses all previous generations of their library​
   ". In fact, even as of today, Sony haven't clarified if we're getting more than 100 PS4 titles at launch. Did I miss a press release?
7. Which respected "Audio Industry" personality has described the Tempest Engine as a rival to the "crème of the crop"? Because the audio industry has some seriously lavish shit that's worth millions of dollars that goes well beyond my technical understanding. All I've seen it compared to is the implementation of binaural audio in Resident Evil 2... which was done in software with Dolby Atmos. The Tempest Engine is also limited to heaphones… and they're hoping to one day make it work with TV Speakers, but they can't provide a timeline on that.

That's not really how this works, and I believe you've misunderstood the point that that image makes. Firstly, the image can paint an incorrect view of the concept of diminishing returns, if you don't understand what it's actually saying. Taken correctly, it's highlighting that if you wasted a x10 triangle count on improving ancillary details of only existing objects, you're an idiot who has no place in asset design. Luckily, most development companies are staffed by really smart and talented people. So, that's not how games work in the real world. In fact, one of the major contributing factors in the overall visual improvements we see from generation to generation is a huge bump in renderable triangle counts. While a good amount of this is used to provide higher quality hero assets, most of it is actually used to provide bigger levels with fewer compromises, and more NPCs, and at further distances, all to create not just the sense of bigger worlds, but actually bigger worlds. We went from box castles in Quake to the open road of Los Santos in GTA5 because of bigger triangle counts. Past the raw geometry, it means more NPCs on a battle field, more cars on the road, more trees in the forest - even more effects and sprite billboarding - it all comes from higher triangle counts. I'd go as far as to say that this generation's fixation with open world games is almost entirely facilitated by the ability to render hundreds and hundreds of millions of triangles.
To break it down a little further and provide context, the PS2 could render somewhere in the ballpark of 15-44 million triangles, depending a lot on what you were trying to do. The PS4 is closer to 1.5 billion.
To bring it home, with a 20% power differential, that would mean the Xbox Series X can render more on-screen triangles. For the sake of discussion, let's call it 20% more triangles (it's really not, but whatever at this point). At the PS4's power level, that would be 300,000,000 more triangles - somewhere around 10 or 15 PlayStation 2's worth of triangles more. And the PS5 and XSX can render a whole lot more than 1.5 billion triangles. So, that's... actually a pretty big difference when you look at what it all means.
Also, last correction - the PS5 won't "load" it's triangles in half the time as the XSX. It'll load the raw models into RAM faster, sure. Getting from RAM to the GPU, the XSX has a distinct advantage, and getting from the GPU to your TV screen, the XSX also has an advantage. If the PS5 will load its levels in 4 seconds, the Xbox Series X will load it in 7... and then render the game at higher resolutions and higher frame rates.

MiyazakiHK.. seems like you ignored the quoted post. Curious what you have to say in response to it.

 

[Self]

Going for higher quality and QoL changes is a valid approach. Apple does it all the time.

If Sony is actually heading that route I would definitely welcome it. It's not all about graphics you know...

 

[Onocromin]

Pay close attention to where he accused me of being a fake account, in comments BEFORE i had said anything inflammatory! I'm just a gamer calling it like it is, never been a fanboy, never will be - it leads to mindless accusations and look at how I'm being set up now - as a flame starter - opposed to his previous accusation attacking me and claiming I must be a fake account for simply stating the Series X is a more powerful capable console graphically.

He negated to mention his accusations made at me before I had actually done anything but state facts. Then I make jokes and he's like yeah but look at what I'm complaining about here, don't dare look at where I'm accusing him of being a fake account BEFORE HE MADE JOKES!

And the fact is, SSDS SOOO FAST IT MAKES FOR BETTER GRAPHICS DUUUH. I just looked at multiple threads trying to push this agenda!

No, sorry - the Series X is the most powerful console on the market upon release.

 

[Tamy]

A more lavish and expensive cooling system, according to Bloomberg back in early 2020.

They needed that cooling system, because they overclocked their system to hell. And why did they needed this? because they cheap out on the CU count.

• A more expensive, durable, and luxurious controller which includes translucent buttons to light up accompanied with a noise-cancelling mic and possibly back triggers.

Buttons light up? False. This is not true. They do not light up.

• A state-of-the-art SSD with a world record speed of 9GB/s and an SSD meticulously designed for ease of development.

XSX SSD is also very fast, and will also ease of development. Also, for Multiplatform Games the SSD will not make any difference, than slightly less loading times on PS5. A dev will not built their game around a single SSD.

• A console design that will incorporate sleek metallic/higher quality materials for manufacturing.

Metallic? Higher Quality Materials? How do you know? Any proof?

• A controller with state-of-the-art haptic feedback and adaptive trigger systems.

Nothing new, and this is like the third point about controller.

• A more powerful built-in PSU to help mitigate cooling issues further.

XSX also has built-in PSU.

• An expansive Backwards Compatibility functionality that encompasses all previous generations of their library.

What? Only PS4 BC is confirmed and PS1-3 is not confirmed and won't be there.

• A state-of-the-art Audio Engine that rivals the cremè of the crop in the Audio Industry.

How is it better than Dolby Atmos? Maybe Sony cheaped out here to and didn't want to spend on Dolby Licensing ?


To sum up: a lot of fake news and just plain FALSE information, like lighting up buttons, metallic materials, PS1-PS3 BC...

Let's keep it to FACTS and not wishful thinking please.

 

[LostDonkey]

I enter MHK threads with all the glee and excitement of my 10 year old self on Christmas morning running down the stairs to see what gifts are awaiting me.



I leave feeling like I've stuck my hand down the toilet without flushing.

 

[Pallas]

Sorry Pallas , but your post has too many contradictions and false assumptions that I'm not gonna bother explaining my reasons for a second time.

We can agree to disagree my friend, but I respect your opinion.

 

[Neo_game]

In the PS5 reveal Cerny mentioned they could have gone with 48CU and still get same result but 36CU with faster clock was more efficient and I guess that saved them a bit $ as well. It was clear they wanted the best SSD option as he said that was one of biggest bottleneck and also wanted to get audio right this time. Controller upgrade was probably on cards anyways but they are going for overall experience rather than just having gpu power. They missed out on RAM though. I would say that is the only disappointment.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

We can agree to disagree my friend, but I respect your opinion.

Likewise

 

[Cleared_Hot]

I knew, from the moment I played Silent Hill 2 back in 2016 on an LCD TV, graphics are somewhat an overrated factor when it comes to delivering exceptional gaming experiences.

While graphics have always been a mainstay when it comes to the discussion of a game's quality. It's usually undermined by the fact that gameplay and the overall experience of playing the game (loading times, controls, audio fidelity, etc) play a big role as well.

Ive always believed artistry is more important than raw numbers when it comes to graphics.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Ive always believed artistry is more important than raw numbers when it comes to graphics.

Indeed, and it goes to show that games shouldn't be solely judged on graphics alone.

It should be judged by the sum of its parts and Cerny realized this early on during this gen and decided to approach next-gen in a more cost-efficient way that improved on neglected aspects of console gaming.

1.87 teraflops difference won't make PS5 games any less compelling overall, even multiplatform games.

 

[NoMoChokeSJ]

In the PS5 reveal Cerny mentioned they could have gone with 48CU and still get same result but 36CU with faster clock was more efficient and I guess that saved them a bit $ as well. It was clear they wanted the best SSD option as he said that was one of biggest bottleneck and also wanted to get audio right this time. Controller upgrade was probably on cards anyways but they are going for overall experience rather than just having gpu power. They missed out on RAM though. I would say that is the only disappointment.

So you're telling me that by overclocking my rtx 2080 it is now more efficient than a 2080ti? Sorry, but that's just dumb. It will make it run hotter and more unstable though.

 

[Zannegan]

They certainly seem to be chasing certain features as core to the console, but I don't think it's related to the console's power at all.

Is there anything on that list that would eat into the budget enough that they would have to skimp on the CPU/GPU? Even the cost of the super-fast SSD would be offset by not having to go for more RAM, no? In fact, the lavish cooling system, the PSU, and possibly the case should all go in the "raw power" column, because that's what they're there to enable. I will say that any premium materials they use in the case would be wasted money for me. It sits under my TV and plays games. I couldn't care less how "premium" it feels when I turn it off and on, lol, only if it also helps disperse heat.

I think it's more likely that they aimed for a certain power-target, and hit it. They also chose to make certain features core to the console, and they have nailed those down as well. Until I go hands-on with the controller and ears-on with the audio, I can't really say whether their R&D/focus in those areas has paid-off, but I'm excited to find out.