Its a new architecture and is capable of doing things that would be impossible on previous systems. Thats what next gen is.
Thanks for the gold. Appreciate you,
So I'm not here to bash Xbox or Microsoft or to say the XBSX is doomed.
You mean like Hellblade 2? Bloobers new game?Yet, they're only making games that must also run on the 2013 Xbox One for the foreseeable future.
They have already outlined thats its not forever and we have no idea if the versions of the games will be different code or the same code base scaled. They have proven in the past they are willing to put different teams on different versions of a game to make sure it takes full advantage of a platform. See Forza Horizon 2.Yet, they're only making games that must also run on the 2013 Xbox One for the foreseeable future.
Exactly! I remember DF covering it and being very impressedThey have already outlined thats its not forever and we have no idea if the versions of the games will be different code or the same code base scaled. They have proven in the past they are willing to put different teams on different versions of a game to make sure it takes full advantage of a platform. See Forza Horizon 2.
MS taking a pro-consumer stance? Big improvement from the DRM days huh! It's good seeing companies respect a consumers dollars especially in these tough times.Yet, they're only making games that must also run on the 2013 Xbox One for the foreseeable future.
Yup and i'm happy. As someone who's not buying any next gen console for at least a few years, i'll gladly play Halo Infinite on my XB1XMS taking a pro-consumer stance? Big improvement from the DRM days huh! It's good seeing companies respect a consumers dollars especially in these tough times.
They have already outlined thats its not forever and we have no idea if the versions of the games will be different code or the same code base scaled. They have proven in the past they are willing to put different teams on different versions of a game to make sure it takes full advantage of a platform. See Forza Horizon 2.
MS taking a pro-consumer stance? Big improvement from the DRM days huh! It's good seeing companies respect a consumers dollars especially in these tough times.
Titanfall as well.Rise of the tomb raider did a similar thing, which was a timed exclusive for Xbox 360/one
Hellblade 2 isn't next gen? Bloobers new horror game isn't next gen? How many PS5 exclusives are launching in the first year? Godfall looks cross gen.I'll take true next-gen games, but it's nice to know someone is offering a lower quality, but cheaper option as well.
Just like we can appreciate both Porche and Kia, we can enjoy PlayStation games and Xbox games.
Neither Titanfall nor Tomb Raider were Microsoft studios, so I'm not sure what point you guys are trying to make.
Titanfall was a console exclusive. ROTR was console exclusive for 1 year. They do apply here. And noticed you left out Forza Horizon 2Neither Titanfall nor Tomb Raider were Microsoft studios, so I'm not sure what point you guys are trying to make.
Who says its lower quality? You think every PS5 game shown will be better than Halo Infinite? Is Breath of the Wild a low quality game because it is on hardware that is weaker than PS4? What are you on? Are you even a gamer?I'll take true next-gen games, but it's nice to know someone is offering a lower quality, but cheaper option as well.
Just like we can appreciate both Porche and Kia, we can enjoy PlayStation games and Xbox games.
Titanfall was funded by Microsoft
Source?
Does anyone actually cares about games anymore? The whole point of making games is so people'll play them, and MS is taking an approach that allows these games to be accessible to as many people as possible, which is good. And its not like their console is vastly inferior to the PS5 as some people seem to immediately assume, it'll handle next gen just fine.
https://gameranx.com/updates/id/214...development-was-turbulent-saved-by-microsoft/
"EA did the work of shuffling around for funding, and finally found it in Microsoft. As a result, Titanfall became a Microsoft exclusive. "
I just get the feeling that the PS5 is more well-though-out in terms of doing more with less, more optimized, etc. Whereas the XSX feels like Microsoft just went with brute force and called it a day. Both have their positives and negatives. Anyways, we'll see how it all turns out.
It backfired? Without Microsoft Titanfall wouldn't exist...along with Apex Legends.Well, that backfired lol. Luckily, EA made sure Respawn didn't repeat that mistake with Titanfall 2.
Actually, i think Titanfall sold better than Titanfall 2. Clearly Titanfall 2 didn't do so well with PS4 in the equation given that Titanfall 3 is not even in the worksWell, that backfired lol. Luckily, EA made sure Respawn didn't repeat that mistake with Titanfall 2.
the PC upgrade model to the console space which Microsoft has admitted they are trying to do on multiple occasions. That is new to the console space and unproven so I'm curious and anxious to see how it turns out. The points I mentioned about it being "next gen" was in comparison to discussion the PC model or enhanced console model in the past
Wrong. If you actually read my post you would see that I mentioned more than once that it's the fact that Xbox Series X will not have any exclusive titles designed to take sole advantage of it's unique hardware that would make it similar to the PC upgrade model. Once Xbox Series X has exclusives, then the point is moot since there will be Series X games that will leverage the unique capabilities of the system. Sony has already said they will have PS5 exclusives so there will be software to take advantage of it's capabilities that were not possible on any prior PlayStation console. So the fact that it could play every game dating back to PS1 is completely irrelevant to my pointBy his logic, if PS5 was fully BC with all PS systems then it would not be a next-gen console eitherBut it is not so it must be a truly full next-gen console despite both systems using same Architecture,, GPU, CPU, etc...
Wrong. If you actually read my post you would see that I mentioned more than once that it's the fact that Xbox Series X will not have any exclusive titles designed to take sole advantage of it's unique hardware that would make it similar to the PC upgrade model.
Once Xbox Series X has exclusives, then the point is moot since there will be Series X games that will leverage the unique capabilities of the system.
Wrong. If you actually read my post you would see that I mentioned more than once that it's the fact that Xbox Series X will not have any exclusive titles designed to take sole advantage of it's unique hardware that would make it similar to the PC upgrade model. Once Xbox Series X has exclusives, then the point is moot since there will be Series X games that will leverage the unique capabilities of the system. Sony has already said they will have PS5 exclusives so there will be software to take advantage of it's capabilities that were not possible on any prior PlayStation console. So the fact that it could play every game dating back to PS1 is completely irrelevant to my point
What backfired was an attempt to spin a narrative that MS was just taking something from PS and you turned out to be wrong. Hmmm I wonder if you are wrong about the stuff about XBOX's pro-consumer choice being a problem?Well, that backfired lol. Luckily, EA made sure Respawn didn't repeat that mistake with Titanfall 2.
What backfired was an attempt to spin a narrative that MS was just taking something from PS and you turned out to be wrong. Hmmm I wonder if you are wrong about the stuff about XBOX's pro-consumer choice being a problem?
MS taking a pro-consumer stance? Big improvement from the DRM days huh! It's good seeing companies respect a consumers dollars especially in these tough times.
It takes years for a console to reach its full potential. Was there any improvement the launch PS4 games and the games that came out this year? If yes your whole argument falls apart because A) there is no evidence currently that the XSX games that will also run on XB1 won't take advantage of XSX hardware features and B)By the time the 2 year or less period is over XSX will really shine because they platform will be that much more mature.Which consumers? The ones who don't want to buy a next-gen console or those that do and want games that are made to take full advantage of that hardware.
Both Sony and Microsoft are pro-consumer. They're just focusing on two separate groups.
So, if i understood correctly you're comparing models where:Lol, wow guys. It's amazing how quickly you guys can rush to judgement without even reading a post. Ok, so some interesting posts....let me offer some responses the some key takeaways:
The point was to discuss the philosophy of bring the PC upgrade model to the console space which Microsoft has admitted they are trying to do on multiple occasions. That is new to the console space and unproven so I'm curious and anxious to see how it turns out. The points I mentioned about it being "next gen" was in comparison to discussion the PC model or enhanced console model in the past. That's all.
- Seriously if you didnt' even bother to read my post, then please don't comment. You haven't even tried to make the effort to hear my point so you couldn't possibly have anything relevant or constructive to say
- So many people talking about PS5....if you read or even skim my post you will not see a single mention of PS5. Hell, even do a word search...no PS5 mentioned at all. So again, completely irrelevant. I was solely talking about Microsoft side of things and frankly don't have time for console flame war discussions
- My point wasn't to make conjecture or throw some off the cuff accusation at Microsoft. The idea that Microsoft has actually said that they want to move away from the concept of a "console generation" is not new and well documented (one example dating back 4 years: LINK). I'm just observing how we are finally seeing the culmination of that philosophy in action. It is a different concept in the console space in particular so my point was to have some discussion to see where people stand on that philosophy. How do you think it will map to the console space? Would you prefer it to the traditional console model etc?
- I never once bashed the Xbox One hardware. In fact i started by saying it will offer a high end PC experience to the living room. I never compared it to any competitor or said that it was lacking anything at a hardware level!
- I also specifically mentioned several times that my point was only relevant while the Xbox Series X does not have any exclusive titles developed for it's hardware. Which BTW is the analogy I made to the Xbox One X and the PC. Neither has "exclusive" game made to target their unique hardware (or in the PC space, the "top tier" hardware)
If you don't want to hear it or read it or discuss it, that's fine. But keep that flame war, fanboy stuff away from here please.
I was speaking about the Don Mattrick XBOX always needing to be online fiasco than accompanied the XB1 launch announcement. People rightfully attacked MS for being heavy handed with DRM. DRM with regards to downloadable games is unavoidable. There has to be someway of determining that a person legally owns a game and with no DRM its not possible for digital games. Physical games are different matter because he disc itself is the license. Most of the moves MS has made with regards to the XBOX have been pro-consumer and I will give credit where it is due.Improvement from the DRM days?
Have you tried to play a PS4 or XBO game online without the newest console update? Wake up, Sony and Microsoft are constantly updating their DRM systems. But funny how people didn't notice that 100% of what MS planned has been implemented by Sony and Microsoft. A second pillar of the DRM strategy are digital licenses, works great if you take a look at the digital sales. The next pillar We got all the things announced by Microsoft, on every platform but without the benefits which were announced back there by Microsoft. They won the DRM fight by the biggest margin possible.
Been saying it for a long time.The side effects of too much free time.
Solution: Buy a PC and only buy stuff from GOG and Itch.o. Steam too if you don't mind using cracks in some cases.Improvement from the DRM days?
Have you tried to play a PS4 or XBO game online without the newest console update? Wake up, Sony and Microsoft are constantly updating their DRM systems. But funny how people didn't notice that 100% of what MS planned has been implemented by Sony and Microsoft. A second pillar of the DRM strategy are digital licenses, works great if you take a look at the digital sales. The next pillar We got all the things announced by Microsoft, on every platform but without the benefits which were announced back there by Microsoft. They won the DRM fight by the biggest margin possible.
The next step is to tie a consumer to a subscription. Games With Gold and PlayStation Plus worked out really well because. Oh, I can't play the great free games if I don't have a subscription.So I have to keep the subscription. That's how you convince offline gamers. But you also can't play online without a subscription either (Remember on PS3, it was still possible to play online without a subscription, and the subscription was even cheaper). So I have to keep the subscription. That's how you convince offline gamers. But you can't play online without a subscription either (Remember on PS3? It was still possible to play online without a subscription, and the subscription was even cheaper).
An improvement of the concept is the streaming of games, well, gaming industry is one step behind the music and video industry, it's just a game subscription service(thanks to the poor ISPs). But works great if you take a look at the 10 million people at Game Pass and that's only the beginning. Streaming will follow in the future and in ten years around this time it may well be that digital sales are still the best option because a lot of the games are only available as part of a subscription or streaming service. You don't need a crystal ball for this, anyone with the slightest business sense would do it. Microsoft and Sony do not make billions in sales because they are charities. By the way, Sony is the company of the two, which is trying to get a piece of the cake here. Microsoft has already shown that they know how to sell subscriptions with Office 365/Microsoft 365 and many other license services.
Meanwhile gamers throw dirt on each other for no reason, because they are defending a company that sees them only as a cash cow. So we never get to the important issues, of course, is right for both sides.
It's a ninth generation game console.
Just like we can appreciate both Stephen Hawking and Alex Jones, we can enjoy people having sensical non-warring opinions and Vawn posts.I'll take true next-gen games, but it's nice to know someone is offering a lower quality, but cheaper option as well.
Just like we can appreciate both Porche and Kia, we can enjoy PlayStation games and Xbox games.
The Medium would like to have a word with you. Scorn as well.Wrong. If you actually read my post you would see that I mentioned more than once that it's the fact that Xbox Series X will not have any exclusive titles designed to take sole advantage of it's unique hardware that would make it similar to the PC upgrade model. Once Xbox Series X has exclusives, then the point is moot since there will be Series X games that will leverage the unique capabilities of the system. Sony has already said they will have PS5 exclusives so there will be software to take advantage of it's capabilities that were not possible on any prior PlayStation console. So the fact that it could play every game dating back to PS1 is completely irrelevant to my point