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Did Microsoft Design Xbox Series X To Be A True Next Gen System?
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Vawn
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Yet, they're only making games that must also run on the 2013 Xbox One for the foreseeable future.
eastwood333
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12 TF, Zen 2 CPU, RDNA 2(more powerful than the competitors console)hardware Ray Tracing, etc.... NO, not at all.
MS just wants to be more consumer friendly and realize many gamers can't afford 500 bucks at launch. So they'll get there game sells from current gen. Having cross gen games at the start of a new gen is nothing new or unsurprising.
MS just wants to be more consumer friendly and realize many gamers can't afford 500 bucks at launch. So they'll get there game sells from current gen. Having cross gen games at the start of a new gen is nothing new or unsurprising.
Kagey K
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Thanks for the gold. Appreciate you,
MasterCornholio
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This is just silly.
eastwood333
Banned
You mean like Hellblade 2? Bloobers new game?
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
They have already outlined thats its not forever and we have no idea if the versions of the games will be different code or the same code base scaled. They have proven in the past they are willing to put different teams on different versions of a game to make sure it takes full advantage of a platform. See Forza Horizon 2.
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eastwood333
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Exactly! I remember DF covering it and being very impressed
DarkMage619
$MSFT
MS taking a pro-consumer stance? Big improvement from the DRM days huh! It's good seeing companies respect a consumers dollars especially in these tough times.
eastwood333
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Yup and i'm happy. As someone who's not buying any next gen console for at least a few years, i'll gladly play Halo Infinite on my XB1X
Andodalf
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Rise of the tomb raider did a similar thing, which was a timed exclusive for Xbox 360/one
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Lol look at hellblade 2. Most Xbox exclusives will approach that level of fidelity.
Its got a gpu as powerful as a $700 gpu. It's got a cpu as powerful as a $300 cpu and a top of the line ssd. I'm no ms shill but it's literally the most powerful console ever made.
Its got a gpu as powerful as a $700 gpu. It's got a cpu as powerful as a $300 cpu and a top of the line ssd. I'm no ms shill but it's literally the most powerful console ever made.
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Vawn
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I'll take true next-gen games, but it's nice to know someone is offering a lower quality, but cheaper option as well.
Just like we can appreciate both Porche and Kia, we can enjoy PlayStation games and Xbox games.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Titanfall as well.
eastwood333
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Hellblade 2 isn't next gen? Bloobers new horror game isn't next gen? How many PS5 exclusives are launching in the first year? Godfall looks cross gen.
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Titanfall was funded by Microsoft as well as Forza Horizon 2. So again, the point I am trying to make is that until we see the games and know what they are doing in terms of development, saying your cute little analogies is ignorant.
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eastwood333
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Titanfall was a console exclusive. ROTR was console exclusive for 1 year. They do apply here. And noticed you left out Forza Horizon 2
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Who says its lower quality? You think every PS5 game shown will be better than Halo Infinite? Is Breath of the Wild a low quality game because it is on hardware that is weaker than PS4? What are you on? Are you even a gamer?
Vawn
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Source?
Nikana
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https://gameranx.com/updates/id/214...development-was-turbulent-saved-by-microsoft/
"EA did the work of shuffling around for funding, and finally found it in Microsoft. As a result, Titanfall became a Microsoft exclusive. "
Guilty_AI
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Does anyone actually cares about games anymore? The whole point of making games is so people'll play them, and MS is taking an approach that allows these games to be accessible to as many people as possible, which is good. And its not like their console is vastly inferior to the PS5 as some people seem to immediately assume, it'll handle next gen just fine.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
its a stronger system contrary to what some people are trying push around here.
Mister Wolf
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The Series X has a better CPU and GPU than the PS5. In all my time gaming on PC those have been the two components that always mattered the most for me gaining greater performance.
Vawn
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Well, that backfired lol. Luckily, EA made sure Respawn didn't repeat that mistake with Titanfall 2.
Tqaulity
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Lol, wow guys. It's amazing how quickly you guys can rush to judgement without even reading a post. Ok, so some interesting posts....let me offer some responses the some key takeaways:
If you don't want to hear it or read it or discuss it, that's fine. But keep that flame war, fanboy stuff away from here please.
- Seriously if you didnt' even bother to read my post, then please don't comment. You haven't even tried to make the effort to hear my point so you couldn't possibly have anything relevant or constructive to say
- So many people talking about PS5....if you read or even skim my post you will not see a single mention of PS5. Hell, even do a word search...no PS5 mentioned at all. So again, completely irrelevant. I was solely talking about Microsoft side of things and frankly don't have time for console flame war discussions
- My point wasn't to make conjecture or throw some off the cuff accusation at Microsoft. The idea that Microsoft has actually said that they want to move away from the concept of a "console generation" is not new and well documented (one example dating back 4 years: LINK). I'm just observing how we are finally seeing the culmination of that philosophy in action. It is a different concept in the console space in particular so my point was to have some discussion to see where people stand on that philosophy. How do you think it will map to the console space? Would you prefer it to the traditional console model etc?
- I never once bashed the Xbox One hardware. In fact i started by saying it will offer a high end PC experience to the living room. I never compared it to any competitor or said that it was lacking anything at a hardware level!
- I also specifically mentioned several times that my point was only relevant while the Xbox Series X does not have any exclusive titles developed for it's hardware. Which BTW is the analogy I made to the Xbox One X and the PC. Neither has "exclusive" game made to target their unique hardware (or in the PC space, the "top tier" hardware)
If you don't want to hear it or read it or discuss it, that's fine. But keep that flame war, fanboy stuff away from here please.
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Steve.1981
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I read the whole op & didn't find anything troubling.
What Xbox are doing with Series X is exactly what I want from a new console. It's more powerful & faster. I can transfer my stuff straight from the old hardware to the new, no issues. There will be new software taking full advantage of the new hardware.
What's the downside.
What Xbox are doing with Series X is exactly what I want from a new console. It's more powerful & faster. I can transfer my stuff straight from the old hardware to the new, no issues. There will be new software taking full advantage of the new hardware.
What's the downside.
Trueblakjedi
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Its the opposite in many ways. At least for parts of the systems.
Ps5 is end to end brute force i/O.
The XSX i/o is more about optimization and efficiency.
For example.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
eastwood333
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Actually, i think Titanfall sold better than Titanfall 2. Clearly Titanfall 2 didn't do so well with PS4 in the equation given that Titanfall 3 is not even in the works
No backfire
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JareBear: Remastered
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If the XsX is styled after a PC upgrade then it’s one hell of an upgrade. It’s a next gen console. It’s a generation leap, just like PS5.
Tqaulity
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Wrong. If you actually read my post you would see that I mentioned more than once that it's the fact that Xbox Series X will not have any exclusive titles designed to take sole advantage of it's unique hardware that would make it similar to the PC upgrade model. Once Xbox Series X has exclusives, then the point is moot since there will be Series X games that will leverage the unique capabilities of the system. Sony has already said they will have PS5 exclusives so there will be software to take advantage of it's capabilities that were not possible on any prior PlayStation console. So the fact that it could play every game dating back to PS1 is completely irrelevant to my pointBy his logic, if PS5 was fully BC with all PS systems then it would not be a next-gen console either
JareBear: Remastered
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You’re just repeating this now.
Uh. So you invalidate your own point? Or are you gonna say it’s not a next gen console for two years, then becomes one overnight?
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
This is not proven. Its possible but this approach has been taken before and Microsoft put different teams on different versions of the game to take full advantage of each machine. Microsoft might take this approach again but we don't know yet.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
What backfired was an attempt to spin a narrative that MS was just taking something from PS and you turned out to be wrong. Hmmm I wonder if you are wrong about the stuff about XBOX's pro-consumer choice being a problem?
Vawn
Banned
Which consumers? The ones who don't want to buy a next-gen console or those that do and want games that are made to take full advantage of that hardware.
Both Sony and Microsoft are pro-consumer. They're just focusing on two separate groups.
Improvement from the DRM days?
Have you tried to play a PS4 or XBO game online without the newest console update? Wake up, Sony and Microsoft are constantly updating their DRM systems. But funny how people didn't notice that 100% of what MS planned has been implemented by Sony and Microsoft. A second pillar of the DRM strategy are digital licenses, works great if you take a look at the digital sales. The next pillar We got all the things announced by Microsoft, on every platform but without the benefits which were announced back there by Microsoft. They won the DRM fight by the biggest margin possible.
The next step is to tie a consumer to a subscription. Games With Gold and PlayStation Plus worked out really well because. Oh, I can't play the great free games if I don't have a subscription.So I have to keep the subscription. That's how you convince offline gamers. But you also can't play online without a subscription either (Remember on PS3, it was still possible to play online without a subscription, and the subscription was even cheaper). So I have to keep the subscription. That's how you convince offline gamers. But you can't play online without a subscription either (Remember on PS3? It was still possible to play online without a subscription, and the subscription was even cheaper).
An improvement of the concept is the streaming of games, well, gaming industry is one step behind the music and video industry, it's just a game subscription service(thanks to the poor ISPs). But works great if you take a look at the 10 million people at Game Pass and that's only the beginning. Streaming will follow in the future and in ten years around this time it may well be that digital sales are still the best option because a lot of the games are only available as part of a subscription or streaming service. You don't need a crystal ball for this, anyone with the slightest business sense would do it. Microsoft and Sony do not make billions in sales because they are charities. By the way, Sony is the company of the two, which is trying to get a piece of the cake here. Microsoft has already shown that they know how to sell subscriptions with Office 365/Microsoft 365 and many other license services.
Meanwhile gamers throw dirt on each other for no reason, because they are defending a company that sees them only as a cash cow. So we never get to the important issues, of course, is right for both sides.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
It takes years for a console to reach its full potential. Was there any improvement the launch PS4 games and the games that came out this year? If yes your whole argument falls apart because A) there is no evidence currently that the XSX games that will also run on XB1 won't take advantage of XSX hardware features and B)By the time the 2 year or less period is over XSX will really shine because they platform will be that much more mature.
MS is catering to all Xbox gamers. Sony is catering to PS5 gamers. If those are the 2 groups you are talking about I agree. One final point. Why do you even care? Unless you are planning on buying an XSX and you for some reason are upset that the XSX games can run on older hardware it doesn't affect you in the slightest. I can have issues with MS but them taking care of all of their customers isn't one of them. Weird that you have an issue with that.
Guilty_AI
Member
So, if i understood correctly you're comparing models where:
"Every new console is backwards compatible with previous ones" x "New consoles are a hardware of their own that won't run previous games"
Obviously the first one is better. Even if hardware constraints could appear 10 or 20 years down the line, emulating old hardware is still possible.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
I was speaking about the Don Mattrick XBOX always needing to be online fiasco than accompanied the XB1 launch announcement. People rightfully attacked MS for being heavy handed with DRM. DRM with regards to downloadable games is unavoidable. There has to be someway of determining that a person legally owns a game and with no DRM its not possible for digital games. Physical games are different matter because he disc itself is the license. Most of the moves MS has made with regards to the XBOX have been pro-consumer and I will give credit where it is due.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Been saying it for a long time.
There has to be limits to who can create threads. We have people creating threads for fucking meme's. Can you believe that.
I want to log onto Neogaf in the morning to read news about games, services, consoles etc.
I don't want to be logging on and seeing threads about a meme, some twitter console warrior's nonsense tweets, or rumours of next gen content from fucking Reddit.
The quality of threads in this part of the forum has nosedived off a cliff into a steaming pile of hot cow dung.
Guilty_AI
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Solution: Buy a PC and only buy stuff from GOG and Itch.o. Steam too if you don't mind using cracks in some cases.
BurnCoalMeltPole
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This is quite clear with its advanced CPU, GPU, and SSD. There is no question that both XSX and the rumored XSS platforms will offer a massive leap over PS4/XB1/Switch when software is optimized around their capabilities.
SleepDoctor
Banned
Post history checks out. Warriors of the past are looking at this post proudly lol.
DrScissorsMD
Banned
Just like we can appreciate both Stephen Hawking and Alex Jones, we can enjoy people having sensical non-warring opinions and Vawn posts.
Kagey K
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The Medium would like to have a word with you. Scorn as well.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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I vote we temp ban thread making privileges.
I'm half joking, maybe we should make that permanent.
Potato Chip PRO
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SX has good tech powered inside. Should last a good 8 years in its lifespan.
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