FunkMiller
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Izalith is crap, but you’re right on the rest of it. It’s just that pre lord vessel it’s so damn perfect, and the second half suffers a bit in comparison.
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Dark Souls 1 in the biggest drop in quality in the series
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Izalith is crap, but you’re right on the rest of it. It’s just that pre lord vessel it’s so damn perfect, and the second half suffers a bit in comparison.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
You can't say "biggest drop" if you're comparing it to games that came later.
IMO it's the biggest leap the series made. Huge improvement over DeS. None of the later games have as big improvements (except maybe BB, but that's a different series).
IMO it's the biggest leap the series made. Huge improvement over DeS. None of the later games have as big improvements (except maybe BB, but that's a different series).
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Soodanim
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Demon's had too much obscure shit and systems that work against you to be the series GOAT. Character and world tendency resetting to the worldwide average after a boot was a choice that just kept the worldwide average smack bang in the middle. It was a self-perpetuating cycle that was only broken by events choosing to do so. It also suffered in comparison by lacking the needed refinements of future titles, such as the carry limit.
1 was fantastic. Shame about the end. But solid.
2 was fundamentally busted because it went out of its way to fuck up the movement. Everything else is irrelevant when it controls like shit.
3 was "What happens when you forget 2 existed, even the few good things, and throw back to 1 but make it more like Bloodborne with some Demon's throwback for good measure". Just behind 1, for me.
I've yet to play Bloodborne and Sekiro, but they both interest me greatly.
1 was fantastic. Shame about the end. But solid.
2 was fundamentally busted because it went out of its way to fuck up the movement. Everything else is irrelevant when it controls like shit.
3 was "What happens when you forget 2 existed, even the few good things, and throw back to 1 but make it more like Bloodborne with some Demon's throwback for good measure". Just behind 1, for me.
I've yet to play Bloodborne and Sekiro, but they both interest me greatly.
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sublimit
Banned
Why am i not surprised in the slightest that you of all people would hate on an iconic Sony exclusive game?
Blond
Banned
Bloodborne > Demon's Souls > the entire "Dark" series.
You know it's true, I couldn't do more than about 10-15 hours of DS 1-3 because they just never grabbed me and like Demon's Souls: and to be fair, Demon's Souls was played at a time where I wasn't very well off financially and put about 500 hours into it over the course of 2 years so my opinion is EXTREMELY biased.
Bloodborne I felt changed the combat loop enough to feel like an actual sequel not just "isolate, fight one on one and you'll be fine for the entire series!" And the change of scenery felt very, very fresh.
You know it's true, I couldn't do more than about 10-15 hours of DS 1-3 because they just never grabbed me and like Demon's Souls: and to be fair, Demon's Souls was played at a time where I wasn't very well off financially and put about 500 hours into it over the course of 2 years so my opinion is EXTREMELY biased.
Bloodborne I felt changed the combat loop enough to feel like an actual sequel not just "isolate, fight one on one and you'll be fine for the entire series!" And the change of scenery felt very, very fresh.
Paracelsus
Member
I swear I should've typed it down.
I was expecting it as soon as the remake was announced.
"They will act like DeS is the best thing ever and DaS sucked".
The same will happen to every series that reverts back to being a PS timed or total exclusive. Final Fantasy is next.
I was expecting it as soon as the remake was announced.
"They will act like DeS is the best thing ever and DaS sucked".
The same will happen to every series that reverts back to being a PS timed or total exclusive. Final Fantasy is next.
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LittleBigGamer
Banned
demons souls was better but ''biggest drop in quality'' for DS1 is a hot take.
rofif
Banned
Obviously the best !
Soodanim
Gold Member
To be fair, Demon's has had its die hard fans for years. Either they're just speaking up more because of the remake or they've been joined by the fanboy.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
1. Bloodborne 9.5/10
2. Dark Souls 9/10
3. Demon’s Souls 8.5/10
4. Dark Souls 3 8/10
5. Sekiro 8/10
6. Dark Souls 2 7.5/10
This is the correct order, and correct scores. If you disagree, please seek professional help at your earliest convenience.
2. Dark Souls 9/10
3. Demon’s Souls 8.5/10
4. Dark Souls 3 8/10
5. Sekiro 8/10
6. Dark Souls 2 7.5/10
This is the correct order, and correct scores. If you disagree, please seek professional help at your earliest convenience.
Lux R7
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The Bloody-Nine
Member
Demon's > DS1 > BB > DS3 > DS2. Two, while still a good game, is the worst by far. Nonsensical level design, too many forgettable bosses, and artificial difficulty, with gank squads everywhere. The Shrine of Amana is probably the worst area in any of the games. I'm replaying it at the minute. The DLC is a pretty big improvement over the base game generally.
rofif
Banned
Lol completely opposite order for me
Touch fuzZy. get BizZay
Member
Obviously the best reason to never let bandai namco direct the series
oh we can do this?
1. Dark Souls 3/Bloodborne/Dark Souls/Demon's Souls 10/10 Based, Miyazaki's infinite benevolence
2. Sekiro 9/10 cool combat but no multiplayer = short lifespan
3. Dark Souls 2 6.8/10 clunky movement/control/animation hold it back
Lux R7
Member
this is a good opinion
The Bloody-Nine
Member
Opinions, eh? At least we agree Bloodborne is in the middle.
Astral Dog
Member
Whaaaaa 
And Dark Souls 3 being the worst when 2 exists
Double Whaaaa
And Dark Souls 3 being the worst when 2 exists
Double Whaaaa
Mondai
Member
is it really that hard to understand? I when I say drop in quality I mean the game drops in quality the more you play it especially the later levels which are badly designed.
Edit: my bad I should have worded the title better, I mean drop in quality when it comes to playing each individual game , I acknowledge my mistake lol.
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#Phonepunk#
Banned
DS2 is the worst
“it tried to do new things” is also the worst argument for anything usually used for the crappiest part of a franchise
“it tried to do new things” is also the worst argument for anything usually used for the crappiest part of a franchise
Mondai
Member
I respectfully disagree , at least ds2 feels like they tried to do something different. I’m not saying DS2 is perfect(far from it I can admit it has many flaws), but at lea at it’s not a lazy homage game like DS3.
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FunkMiller
Gold Member
Gotta be said, I don't disagree with this much. DS2 has a lot wrong with it, but it was ambitious. I admire that. As I played DS3 I just sat there going through a check list of Dark Souls stuff I'd seen before.
Mind you, let's face it, they're all bastard good games, when you get right down to it.
Touch fuzZy. get BizZay
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Mondai
Member
I actually dont mind them much lol , I critize Tomb of Giants, Lost Izalith and DLC levels as being bad (DLC bosses are great though).
gamerguywashere
Neophyte
playing my first playthrough of a souls game on switch
first, i think the trial/error gameplay is great for this type of game, but i think people are confusing a harsh death run with actual difficulty...
there are ways to kill things that take a certain number of tries to learn, that all take long runs every try, but once you know, is it really difficult anymore?
the world is fantastic, i love the depth of the weapon design, and i think the art direction is great...
but part of me wonders if anyone would have bothered with so much trial and error if there was much to play on PS3 back in the day...you can see it in the bitterness of sonyfans in this thread. "you dont get to say cause you didn't suffer with us"....rofl wut?
it's like sony asked FROM for a giant timesink and souls was the result
still, great game...goat?...yeah, i dunno bro
first, i think the trial/error gameplay is great for this type of game, but i think people are confusing a harsh death run with actual difficulty...
there are ways to kill things that take a certain number of tries to learn, that all take long runs every try, but once you know, is it really difficult anymore?
the world is fantastic, i love the depth of the weapon design, and i think the art direction is great...
but part of me wonders if anyone would have bothered with so much trial and error if there was much to play on PS3 back in the day...you can see it in the bitterness of sonyfans in this thread. "you dont get to say cause you didn't suffer with us"....rofl wut?
it's like sony asked FROM for a giant timesink and souls was the result
still, great game...goat?...yeah, i dunno bro
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DelireMan7
Member
You're wrong sorry.
Joke aside, I see what you mean and I also feel a little down after Anor Londo. Still the best of all Soulborne for me.
Joke aside, I see what you mean and I also feel a little down after Anor Londo. Still the best of all Soulborne for me.
Touch fuzZy. get BizZay
Member
Those are still good areas/bosses to me but if you're laying off critiquing my beloved bounding demons I'll back off.
But if u come at my firey dino chikk'ns, I'd be all like "git gud...at taste"
Chiggs
Gold Member
gamerguywashere
Neophyte
oh yeah....well fucking done on the encumbrance system, people say the game feels clunky....well no shit full plate
half my gear choice is stats, the other half is how cool i look and can i move decent lol
also the limited equip slots made some cool compromise with magic, and i like the scaling math on some weapons
half my gear choice is stats, the other half is how cool i look and can i move decent lol
also the limited equip slots made some cool compromise with magic, and i like the scaling math on some weapons
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
I still believe that the way all the good ideas that DS2 brought to the table being rejected effectively killed the franchise.
DS2 really tried to add stuff to the formula, but after the response to it was so negative by a certain portion of the fandom, FROM realized that they had literally nowhere to go creatively, and the result was the unambitious and stale DS3.
People need to stop demanding "more of the same", its just not worth it in the long run.
DS2 really tried to add stuff to the formula, but after the response to it was so negative by a certain portion of the fandom, FROM realized that they had literally nowhere to go creatively, and the result was the unambitious and stale DS3.
People need to stop demanding "more of the same", its just not worth it in the long run.
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Naked Lunch
Member
Ive never read a more wrong topic title.
The entire series is top class - but Dark Souls 1 still stands at the top of the franchise.
The entire series is top class - but Dark Souls 1 still stands at the top of the franchise.
MisterBrimstone
Member
If this post it was for fishing out retarded opinion like yours OP I commend you. If it was real I hope I never see a post from you again.
GermanZepp
Member
Werewolf Jones
Gold Member
Dark Souls 3 has about as much variety in direction as your average beat em up or FF XIII. If you take out the "epic" boss battles you're just walking forward.
iHaunter
Member
While you may be correct in Demon's Souls not being the best in terms of mechanics and pacing. Demon's Souls has BY FAR the best Atmosphere of any Souls game outside of Bloodborne.
V4skunk
Banned
I disagree. Demons Souls is the worst in the Series.
The Bloody-Nine
Member
If you take out "something" you're just walking forward. Congrats, you just described pretty much every third person game, ever.
cireza
Member
OP is right. The first Dark Souls, while having a good connectivity for its world, also has many incredibly poor areas. Dark Souls 3 plays like a corridor with two small branches, as well as recycling many areas.
Dark Souls II is the most balanced effort overall in terms of level-design. And I don't care about the fact that, if you zoom out on a 3D model of the entire world, two areas overlay each other. Who cares honestly ? You might not even realize it.
Demons' Souls has a great level-design without having a big interconnected world. I rank it up there with Dark Souls II.
Dark Souls II is the most balanced effort overall in terms of level-design. And I don't care about the fact that, if you zoom out on a 3D model of the entire world, two areas overlay each other. Who cares honestly ? You might not even realize it.
Demons' Souls has a great level-design without having a big interconnected world. I rank it up there with Dark Souls II.
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Explosive Zombie
Banned
I'm not 100% on your side but Dark Souls II > III, for sure, Dark Souls II is pleb filter.
iHaunter
Member
I don't think you read my post.