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[Tiago Rodrigues]

phew i thought is cory.

For a second there i was worried as well. Good to see it was just this guy

 

[TerribleAtThisGame]

Is...that the tweet the actual title is referring to? Because that is not someone calling the game bland.

 

[keraj37]

davidjaffe explain yourself

 

[Skull-Knight]

He said nothing wrong

 

[Cert.in.Death]

Jaffe is a borderline madman, which is why this was the only era he could thrive in the way that he has.

Touché to him.

 

[Yoboman]

I can't take Jaffe seriously since he became a clickbait Youtuber

 

[Liamario]

This visuals are poor, but so is the hardware it's on.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Hes not wrong. Pokemon fans and Zelda fans are generally blind and highly ignorant of these issues. If Sony or MS made a game that looked like this, people would lose their shit.

 

[Lasha]

Hes not wrong. Pokemon fans and Zelda fans are generally blind and highly ignorant of these issues. If Sony or MS made a game that looked like this, people would lose their shit.

The word you are looking for is indifferent.

 

[Esppiral]

He is right thought

 

[TerribleAtThisGame]

Next gen Sony and Microsoft will release purposely underpowered hardware to lower expectations and therefore reaping 10/10s where scores were previously dinged for graphics.

 

[Represent.]

And yeah.. He never called it bland.

He just said its kind of shocking it didn't get any points taken away for looking outdated.

As good as the game may be, it would be even better had Nintendo given these clearly talented devs real hardware to work with. We'll never know what a Zelda game not limited to sub-iPhone level hardware could be. Highly frustrating.

Even as a diehard Zelda fan you have to be curious of the what-if.

 

[Bond007]

I think Nintendo gets a pass because they are doing this on their current hardware- which obviously isnt exactly new.
So, given that- it's actually impressive with what they have been able to accomplish.

 

[GigaBowser]

Is...that the tweet the actual title is referring to? Because that is not someone calling the game bland.

OP completely made up the title quote

 

[Shifty1897]

A Jaffe thread... You know this guy makes money by saying outlandish shit, right?

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

I mean theres a screenshot circulating of Link standing on the exact same location as in BOTW and it's literally 0.01 changes after 5 years and game gets 10/10. Im not saying TOTK is a bad game but AAAAANY other franchise would be slammed for looking the same and having same locations 5 years later.

Far Cry games look absolutely different from each other but since the last 3 used the same mechanic of climbing towers for viewpoint, that was a negative. TOTK reuses so much stuff its not even funny.

 

[AlteredForms]

Is he wrong though?

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

I kinda agree that some art choices in gamma/palette in general are debatable. Same with BOTW. In the end I'm playing TOTK on PC with reshade LUT because it's so much vibrant and fun to play with actual colours on my OLED.

Initially I've played BOTW on Wii U and my second run on CEMU was heck of a surprise, because LUTs made the game insanely more pretty. And I'm not talking about some acidic grading. Just saturation +30 and less yellowish-white haze all around.

(I own both a Switch and a catridge, don't beat me plz).

 

[Mr Moose]

If that's what it actually looks like then yeah I agree with him.

 

[hemo memo]

Where do people get those ugly screens? This and BotW are like a Studio Ghibli movie. It looks fantastic in both portable and docked.

 

[ungalo]

Next gen Sony and Microsoft will release purposely underpowered hardware to lower expectations and therefore reaping 10/10s where scores were previously dinged for graphics.

It doesn't work like that. Maybe if they can make a game that can do what this game can do in terms of systemic events, level of interaction, sense of detail, seamless vertical connection from the highest sky island to the lowest point of the undergrounds, we'll see what scores they get. Because i don't know if this game deserves every bit of praise it gets but at least it seems way more impressive to me than anything Microsoft put out, especially when you can hold it in your hands.

All of this seems completely off topic to me. Except for the framerate and dynamic resolution that are technical flaws. The debates surrounding this game in particular shouldn't be about that in my opinion.

 

[Captain Toad]

Games like this feel like they were made for a platform like PS5/XSX and then later got a Switch version. While it's amazing the game can run at all on Switch, it's clearly not the ideal way to play with the lesser graphics, framerate and loading screens.

The problem here is, unlike something like Witcher 3, there is no "proper" version to play, so we have to make due with the Switch version.

 

[lh032]

The headline sounds like a PR nightmare for Sony

"Jaffe ex-sony staff, GOW creator, GOW = PS first party IP !!!!???????..........................Playstation X Sony bad!!!" - fanboy on twitter

 

[Just_one]

Game looks like a PS3 game

 

[Lokaum D+]

"David Jaffe believes that people have a double standard for certain video games, depending on the console they are released on..."

https://en.as.com/meristation/news/...r-calling-zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom-bland-n/

 

[Gp1]

The game looks bland and that's why we have day one emulation.

Keep it this way Nintendo.

Ps. He's not wrong though

 

[AGRacing]

Jaffe needs attention.

He's also made jokes about black people just recently. We should stop posting his incendiary diatribes.

Man I'm having so much trouble deciding what "side of history" davidjaffe is on?! Is he "part of the problem" or "part of the solution"? Can you be both?

Can you link the jokes? Was he just repeating a Patrice O'Neal joke or was this original material? Was it a flattering joke about giant penises? I can't condemn a man based on your word alone, sir.

 

[SlimySnake]

1. It's Jaffe... no surprise here.
2. He is not lying considering the visuals... then again, what did anyone expect? it's on the Switch.
3. It's Jaffe, so one would think that being he is/was a developer he should be firmly away of what shoud be capable visually considering the hardware.
4. Have I mentioned its Jaffe?

I honestly wouldn't be able to make a better looking game on the Switch hardware lol.

So that leaves the question. What can the developers do to make the game look better besides delaying it to the next console?

"depending on the console they're released on"

Well, yeah. I don't think it's realistic to expect a Switch to have PS5 or even PS4 visuals. BOTW already maxed out its capabilities back in 2016. Pokemon rightfully got shat on because the Switch proved it could do more. Xenoblade Chronicles 3 and BOTW is as good as the Switch can do.

Windwaker on GameCube and the hd version on the wii u looked better.

 

[Doctor Hades]

To be honest, I think if Nintendo had released the Switch only as a handheld that people would be a lot more forgiving of the system's technical shortcomings.

The problem for me is that I actually prefer to play my games on a large screen TV and this is where the Switch really suffers unless you are lucky enough to still be using a smaller 1080p LCD TV or even a CRT monitor. That said, even the 7" 720p OLED screen can only do so much to make the games look good when they are mostly sub-native and lack anti-aliasing and texture filtering.

Nintendo absolutely need to address this for the next Switch unless they go for a 1080p handheld unit only and abandon the hybrid console/handheld thing. I hope that they do a dock with additional upscaling and GPU hardware so that Switch 2 games can look good on handheld and TV screens.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Nintendo Switch could release a new AAA game that looks like Life of Black Tiger and get away with it in reviews.

Have Xbox Series X or PS5 release a game looking like that and it's another story. Can almost see the sensationalist headlines across all forms of media.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Guess what? The world doesn't care that much about graphics. See GTAV, Minecraft, CoD, The Sims, PUBG, WoW, LoL, DotA, CS, Pokemon, Mario Kart, Fortnite...

 

[Agent_4Seven]

"David Jaffe believes that people have a double standard for certain video games, depending on the console they are released on..."

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Where do people get those ugly screens? This and BotW are like a Studio Ghibli movie. It looks fantastic in both portable and docked.

Dunno about TOTK (I'm still fiddling with reshade), but BOTW looks so much better just after simple and very moderate colour bump.

Stock TOTK screenshots are kinda plain, let's be perfectly honest about it.

 

[FUBARx89]

I mean theres a screenshot circulating of Link standing on the exact same location as in BOTW and it's literally 0.01 changes after 5 years and game gets 10/10. Im not saying TOTK is a bad game but AAAAANY other franchise would be slammed for looking the same and having same locations 5 years later.

My brother, let me introduce you to the Yakuza series.

 

[RoboFu]

Games a 15 / 10 in gameplay.
5 / 10 in graphics

So 15 - 5 = 10 / 10

That better?

 

[Porticus]

He didn't set Twitter on fire and didn't called it bland.

Wtf is the name of this thread?

 

[TerribleAtThisGame]

It doesn't work like that. Maybe if they can make a game that can do what this game can do in terms of systemic events, level of interaction, sense of detail, seamless vertical connection from the highest sky island to the lowest point of the undergrounds, we'll see what scores they get. Because i don't know if this game deserves every bit of praise it gets but at least it seems way more impressive to me than anything Microsoft put out, especially when you can hold it in your hands.

All of this seems completely off topic to me. Except for the framerate and dynamic resolution that are technical flaws. The debates surrounding this game in particular shouldn't be about that in my opinion.

That was a joke post...

Do you really think anyone with a half-functioning brain would think what I wrote!?

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

To all those saying "It's on the Switch", or "the hardware is shit"... that's complete horseshit and you know it!

I agree totally with SlimySnake , Windwaker on the WiiU with its fully cell-shaded graphics looks way better. They could have and should have gone with fully cell-shaded graphics.

The current visuals, together with BOTW, are horribly muddy and low quality. It's not a hardware limitation at all, but rather technical artistic choices that clearly don't work.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Funny with how bland I felt Ragnarok was

 

[GHG]

There's a solution to this but we don't talk about it.

 

[ungalo]

That was a joke post...

Do you really think anyone with a half-functioning brain would think what I wrote!?

I know your post was a joke but i wasn't sure if it was sarcastic or not. Because yes some people actually think that media will dismiss any criticism about technical aspects because of the hardware the game is released on and that in that sense (perhaps not only in that sense though) there is a "double standard" like some people on this thread said.

 

[mansoor1980]

There's a solution to this but we don't talk about it.

 

[Jack Package]

I hope no one takes Jade seriously.
I mean this is the guy who pioneered mashing X to fuck in his games.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

I feel like sometimes people forget that the Switch hardware has a very limited output when it comes to graphical fidelity. If this was an Xbox, PC or PlayStation title then absolutely it should be pulled up for looking like this, because they are capable of so much more in terms of graphical prowess.

The Switch just isn’t capable of that though, so why should the game be knocked for not pushing better graphics when it’s already taxing the switch as much it probably can?

Bottom line for me is if you’re doing as much as you can with the hardware, fine that’s kind of outside of your control. Could they have done more here? I don’t know but I feel like the game looks good enough in almost all cases in the limited time I’ve played it.

 

[geary]

What clickbait title....Is this Neogaf or Kotaku?

 

[Rush2112]

nintendo is immune to criticism because they are japanese. We all know it, he knows it. He juts cant say it.

 

[ungalo]

To all those saying "It's on the Switch", or "the hardware is shit"... that's complete horseshit and you know it!

I agree totally with SlimySnake , Windwaker on the WiiU with its fully cell-shaded graphics looks way better. They could have and should have gone with fully cell-shaded graphics.

The current visuals, together with BOTW, are horribly muddy and low quality. It's not a hardware limitation at all, but rather technical artistic choices that clearly don't work.

I does work though. It worked with BoTW, everybody praised the artstyle at the time.

Wind Waker is small in comparison, not only in size but in the variety of atmosphere it can offer. You could not capture the subtelty of all the systemic and real time effects of BoTW/TotK with something as extreme as the cel shading of Wind Waker. It does look better for the eye but it's very one dimensional and rough.

 

[TerribleAtThisGame]

I know your post was a joke but i wasn't sure if it was sarcastic or not. Because yes some people actually think that media will dismiss any criticism about technical aspects because of the hardware the game is released on and that in that sense (perhaps not only in that sense though) there is a "double standard" like some people on this thread said.

I'm firmly in the "indifferent" category someone brought up some posts above us. In my opinion, reviewers actually for once are doing it right when valuing mechanics, overall gameplay fun and art direction over sheer graphics. And I don't even own a Switch (yet). The Order 1886 wasn't a better game because the graphics were incredible.

 

[rodrigolfp]

BOTW already maxed out its capabilities back in 2016.

Being port of a Wii U game? Doubt. Nintendo just didn't care to change/improve the visuals.

 

[TerribleAtThisGame]

nintendo is immune to criticism because they are japanese. We all know it, he knows it. He juts cant say it.

Alright Luke Plunkett, cool it.