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Gaikai Streaming Service: Either Sony or Microsoft Will Bow out of the console race

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enzo_gt

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TBH is rumour smells just as bullshit as the one proclaiming MS will bow out. The games division of Xbox is going nowhere, still profitable, and the brand is still majorly fixed in games. Straight up, it would be illogical for either to bow out of the race, and neither is closer to it really.

tl;dr if that PGR5 rumour doesn't come to fruition ima have to choke a bitch.
 
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TheOddOne

Member
enzo_gt said:
TBH is rumour smells just as bullshit as the one proclaiming MS will bow out. The games division of Xbox is going nowhere, still profitable, and the brand is still majorly fixed in games. Straight up, it would be illogical for either to bow out of the race, and neither is closer to it really.

tl;dr if that PGR5 rumour doesn't come to fruition ima have to choke a bitch.
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Kung Fu Grip

Banned
4K says sony isn't going anywhere. They will use PS4, just like PS3 with bluray, to push the new 4K formal in a few years.

And what about that PSM rumor that said PS4 is more powerful than 720? While the rumor is most likely false, point is both consoles exist in some form for them (or any other rumor so far about PS4720) to even start it.
 
yurinka

yurinka

Member
gofreak said:
Sony's commented on cloud streaming very recently wrt next-gen. It's not going to be on the cards in a central way.:
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Remember that Sony patended a lot of years ago PlayStation Cloud.
I don't remember what it was, but maybe it also included streamed games in addition to videos or music.

But right now, what these Gaiwhatever say is just bullshit. It doesn't make sense, with the Internet available at the 99% of the houses you can't play decently using a service like OnLive or similar.

At work we have a cool 100MB or 1GB connection and it plays ok, almost like a console but with some slowdowns and a bit compressed image quality. But at home using wifi it isn't playable.

Maybe they are talking about Nintendo because they are joining the HD gen this year, because it's 100% confirmed we will see post-HD gen with 720 and PS4.

And not sure if in 2020, when PS5 and Xbox4 or similar will be next to be released, we will have proper internet conection to play lagless 4K@3D@120fps or whatever this future PS5 console gen will move.
 
Nealand Liquor

Nealand Liquor

Member
Download caps are the greatest barrier to cloud gaming that can't be overcome by a vast segment of the gaming population. I'd be more likely to believe cloud gaming will cease to exist before MS, N & Sony do (even if Sony is in huge financial troubles). Besides I'd be quite fearful of a MS only core console.
 
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To Far Away Times

Member
Despite Sony's financial struggles, we'll most likely see a PS4. Though I could also see a future were the Vita is the Playstation 4, with all of Sony's gaming resources going towards it. I'd have to assume the PSP was a lot more profitable than the PS3, especially in Japan.
 
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Ptaaty

Member
Any truth to this rumor may lie in Sony pushing out PS4 out to the point it isn't the 2012-2013 gen and into 2015 or so to push a new tech. Sony would be the most likely IMO...not completely out, but to break into a separate cycle not joined with MS. They were late on this gen, and there isn't any tech platform to push (that I know of)...if they are going to push 4k, they need to wait a couple years.

Another less likely scenario where the rumor had a grain of truth would be MS working a collaboration with Sony...transition XBLA/XBL with an agreement to use an MS based frontend/SW platform, Sony hardware. Not sure how this would look - but ideally it would leverage Sony on the hardware side and "core" gaming, with MS cloud/crossplatform integration, social, and front end.

Where I see MS: MS is the last to arrive, and had an initial financial failure xbox1, and a real rough patch on xbox360 1st gen reliability. But has since completely turned around...dominating during the profit phase of a console life, then having a hugely successful launch of Kinect. Also they are finally integrating efforts and the home box is huge to pull it off....think Windows8/Mobile8/Xbox. Couple this with a clear focus on XBLA/integration/casual gaming....and dumping of first party IP and dev (other than to support casual), and I could see them partnering with Sony in some way (again assuming there is some truth in the rumor)
 
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Respawn

Banned
Syphon Filter said:
It's possible that Microsoft will do the Same thing to Sony that Sony did to sega with dreamcast. Company is financially in trouble everywhere and with vita not doing well along with more money needed for a ps4.
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lol me and my friends laugh at these post. Keep em coming.
 
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I H8 Memes

Member
Maybe she means that one of these companies is going the streaming route with a small discreet box for the home. If either MS or Sony was going this route then i can see how she would have some inside info on something like that.
 
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AzaK

Member
wsippel said:
I could certainly see this happening. Maybe the next "Xbox" is actually just a service, not a piece of hardware (except for a set-top box, possibly). Maybe Sony won't take the risk to create a new console considering their current situation. Maybe neither, maybe both. Not that I'd take any bets either way, but I wouldn't be all that surprised, either.
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Likewise I wouldn't take bets, but would not be surprised. With smart TV's getting some of the streaming services like OnLive and Gaikai now, maybe Sony will look to integrate into their TV's and offer a settop box for other TV's.
 
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specialguy

Banned
Nanea Reeves, chief product officer for Gaikai, predicted, "Not all of the current console makers will have one more generation. That will be the big news at E3."
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Sigh. Sounds like just a opinion. Obviously.

These next gen rumors are out of control. Maybe because they're most of the threads I visit on GAF, but still.

It shows me first, there's a lot of demand for next gen, many getting restless.

But, it's entirely possible except for the Wii U, it's all way too early. We have all these threads now, and we may well not see PS4/720 until Fall 2014, or almost 3 years away.

BTW, I dont know that the R&D costs for a console need to be "huge". If you use mostly off the shelf stuff, or off the shelf with minor changes. I mean think of slapping together a 399 PC and you get the idea. RSX was basically an off the shelf GPU, and it's held up well. Of course there will have to be some engineering done to move off the shelf parts to a console, but I'm speaking basically of avoiding wild things like Cell, and you'll save a ton right there, and it's probably for the best anyway as programmers didn't love Cell.

Any "huge" costs come more from selling at a loss in the typical console model the first couple years. But even that I dont think has to be unavoidable or cant be minimized, and I expect both players to be more conservative next time with costs. Lets say instead of losing $100 per console at launch, they only lose 50 this time. I think that's reasonable.
 
Agent X

Agent X

Member
specialguy said:
Sigh. Sounds like just a opinion. Obviously.
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That's what I think.

I also don't believe for a second that this is a serious assurance that either Sony or Microsoft would abandon the video game console market. Rather, this is a ploy to get people to chatter about Gaikai, to get Gaikai's name back in the news.

Let's face it, we haven't really heard much about Gaikai or their developments for the longest time. I think a lot of people forgot Gaikai even existed (if they were aware of Gaikai to begin with). Stirring up the pot with a controversial comment is Gaikai's way of saying, "Yoo-hoo, we're still here, don't forget about us!"
 
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GaryD

Member
I see steaming happening from a central box in the house whether thats a pc or a console I don't know. Then your games device becomes a tablet, phone, connected tv etc which streams from a central server which houses and processes the games. To me microsoft are the most likely to be able to pull this off with windows 8 being the trojan to get it in the home. I wonder if MS have the cash to buy valve to acquire steam.

The only other company who could pull this off is apple imo.
 
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watershed

Banned
Sounds like wishful thinking more than informed prediction. Seeing as how Gaikai is a cloud streaming service he'd probably be happy if there was one less console on the market but I don't see it happening any time soon.
 
Mikey Jr.

Mikey Jr.

Member
Didn't Sony lose a fuckton of money because of bluray being in the PS3?

Now you can buy them for like $100.

So PS4 should be more profitable than PS3 for Sony right out of the gate.

Plus you know MS is going to use blu-ray, so thats some extra royalties right there.
 
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careful

Member
Sony is definitely not doing too hot the past few years.. I don't expect they'll bow out this early, but IF this rumour has any truth to it, then I wouldn't be completely shocked either.

I'm all for competition, but I'd be cool with a one console future (+ Nintendo). I'm tired of exclusives.. Bring it on Dyack.
 
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Globox_82

Banned
no one is bowing out just yet. Nintendo was really close after Gamecube, but Wii saved them. If wiiU flops then maybe, other wise no.

MS will keep on growing in next gen. They seem to get it. Not just gaming part.

Sony will keep on going down, because they seem not to get it. Mostly because SCEJ runs things and those guys have no clue-
 
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Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
Gaikai is being entirely stupid on this one. There will be 3 consoles next generation.

ON THE RIDICULOUSLY SMALL CHANCE THAT GAIKAI IS CORRECT HERE:

It should be fairly obvious who is dropping out. HINT: It's the one company who has recently shown that they're totally willing to get out of specific electronics markets if they can't make it work.
 
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manueldelalas

Time Traveler
Vice said:
Where are you getting your information from. I remember reading a year ago that the 360 generation had begun to make a profit for MS.
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I get the information from the financial results every company posts every quarter, it's not hard information to come by, there's a really illustrative chart somewhere in GAF that I can't find, where the big three earnings are posted cumulative (even though it's not entirely accurate, because MSFT and SNY's gaming divisions are coupled with other divisions, but the data is accurate until 2008 I think).

Someone post that ASAP so we can have some perspective and not talk shit from our asses.
bigtroyjon said:
What's the old saying? It's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are a fool than to open it and let everyone know you are.

360 gen has almost certainly been profitable and the 360 is currently making more money per year than the best year Sony ever had with the Playstation.
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You should look at your own advises; it's true that MSFT has been profitable year on year, but in the start of this generation they lost a lot of money because of expensive hardware, faulty hardware and extended warranty, and they haven't been able to recover from that loss of money; next generation starting soon won't help them.

Here is an old image (I hope I can hot link from here...)
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ULTROS!

ULTROS!

People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
I honestly thought game streaming was dead last year. :p
 
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Averon

Member
careful said:
Sony is definitely not doing too hot the past few years.. I don't expect they'll bow out this early, but IF this rumour has any truth to it, then I wouldn't be completely shocked either.

I'm all for competition, but I'd be cool with a one console future (+ Nintendo). I'm tired of exclusives.. Bring it on Dyack.
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It's not even a rumor. It's just some rep from another company predicting what might happen in the future.
 
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magash

Member
GDGF said:
Nowhere near close, actually. They were still cash rich as fuck from the profits made by releasing their games on their own hardware.
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Someone correct me if I am wrong but I think Nintendo made more money in gaming during the GameCube days than Sony did with the PlayStation 2.
 
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Globox_82

Banned
magash said:
Someone correct me if I am wrong but I think Nintendo made more money in gaming during the GameCube days than Sony did with the PlayStation 2.
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Gamecube + whatever handheld they had back then made more money, way more money then PS2, yes that's true.

However Nintnedo considered leaving console industry because they couldn't take market share from Sony (PS1 and PS2 gen). That is how Wii got born.
 
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magash

Member
Globox_82 said:
Gamecube + whatever handheld they had back then made more money, way more money then PS2, yes that's true.

However Nintnedo considered leaving console industry because they couldn't take market share from Sony (PS1 and PS2 gen). That is how Wii got born.
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Can I please get a quote indicating Nintendo wanted to leave the Industry? I think the reason why Nintendo came out with the Wii was because there wasn't much money to be made in only catering to the so called 'hardcore gamers'.
 
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Ravage

Member
It's obviously nothing more than speculations, but lol at anyone suggesting Sony. Judging from their recent actions and long term plan, MS would leave the gaming hardware market first before either Ninty or Sony.
 
Fredrik

Fredrik

Member
Added some stuff to my former post, quoting it instead of writing everything again
Fredrik said:
If anyone is going to back down it's Microsoft. They're the one with few first party devs left and the one who could transform everything to Windows if they wanted to. They've already done it with the controller, Xbox Live and soon with Kinect and Metro-dashboard too and most of their own games comes to the PC anyway so. It's all set and it's all moving along just fine according to plan if you think about it that way.

I hope I'm wrong though... :(
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Just think about it.

On PC we'll soon have:
Xbox Live
Avatars
Metro-dashboard
New Kinect
360 controllers

And Xbox is essentially a PC, hardware-wise.
So what do we have on Xbox that sets it apart from it's PC-version?
 
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bigtroyjon

Member
manueldelalas said:
You should look at your own advises; it's true that MSFT has been profitable year on year, but in the start of this generation they lost a lot of money because of expensive hardware, faulty hardware and extended warranty, and they haven't been able to recover from that loss of money; next generation starting soon won't help them.

Here is an old image (I hope I can hot link from here...)
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Unless you just awoke out of a coma and don't realize it's 2012, I don't know what you think you are proving showing a graph that ends with the 2009 FY. The 360 has made an overall profit here in the year 2012.
 
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herod

Member
bigtroyjon said:
Unless you just awoke out of a coma and don't realize it's 2012, I don't know what you think you are proving showing a graph that ends with the 2009 FY. The 360 has made an overall profit here in the year 2012.
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It also did in 2007, 2008 and 2009 according to that graph.
 
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def sim

Member
First party PS3 games are at the point where I'm happy enough with the graphic fidelity it provides. It could be the affordable system that stays the course, I'm down with that.

That said, that's probably not happening.
 
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manueldelalas

Time Traveler
bigtroyjon said:
I mean overall as in the entire lifespan of the 360 has been profitable and they have made up all the losses.
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Nope, not true.
Unless you just awoke out of a coma and don't realize it's 2012, I don't know what you think you are proving showing a graph that ends with the 2009 FY. The 360 has made an overall profit here in the year 2012.
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I wanted to show the BIG decline on the graph, when the 360 was released (2005, the decline of that year compared to the previous can only be explained by the release of the 360); I've already said that they've been earning money from 2008 on-wards, no point discussing that.

What I'm saying is that in this generation, overall, they've lost money, it's not been a profitable generation for MSFT. They've been reporting earnings of a third of half billion dollars, and that doesn't recover the damage of more than 3 billions early this generation.

Even if it was profitable for them (which isn't), it isn't a big business, the numbers pale in comparison to MSFT's other divisions and are laughable compared to numbers from Nintendo.

There's a better graph somewhere but I just can't find it...
 
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Eusis

Member
Actually, even if the 360 turned a pretty big profit? Look at the Playstation 2 and Playstation 3, Sony managed to burn off a lot of the profit they made with the predecessors as I recall, and the PS3 still hasn't really recovered from that IIRC. That big investment necessary for the generational leap alone could make Microsoft preferring a similarly powered multimedia box, perhaps one that focused on the Kinect. Kind of take the Wii strategy, except rather than being an affordable gaming machine with a neat novelty it's a multimedia box with a neat novelty that can play games if you care to. Whether or not it's successful, if they don't make the jumps and pushes to remain seriously competing with Sony/Nintendo that could be "stepping out" despite having an Xbox remain prolific.
 
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manueldelalas

Time Traveler
Haunted said:
Do we have a current version of that?

Just for curiosity's sake.
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I've been trying to search it all morning, but haven't found it.

It should be noted that this is the last accurate chart, because after this, Sony and MSFT put their gaming divisions with other divisions, so new numbers are not that conclusive.
 
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bigtroyjon

Member
manueldelalas said:
I've been trying to search it all morning, but haven't found it.

It should be noted that this is the last accurate chart, because after this, Sony and MSFT put their gaming divisions with other divisions, so new numbers are not that conclusive.
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MS hasn't changed the 360 division and the info for the EDD is easily found on their investor relations site. 360 has been overall profitable factoring in the recent holiday quarter. You should do a little research before you keep making these silly statements.
 
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Dynoro

Member
manueldelalas said:
I've been trying to search it all morning, but haven't found it.

It should be noted that this is the last accurate chart, because after this, Sony and MSFT put their gaming divisions with other divisions, so new numbers are not that conclusive.
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It also does not include a complete change in the sales demographic of the current generation in the last year and a half. That chart concluded while the Wii was still outselling the PS3 and 360 and before the release of Kinect. Its like showing a picture of US economic growth that ends in 2006.
 
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monome

Member
Once you consider it's okay for one of the big playr to exit the game, then it's probably true for all of them.

Nintendo could only produce accesories and games.
MS would brand XBOX as a Steam competitor with the addition of hardware requirements as to bz able to brand a PC Xbox compatible.

Sony has already tried something with Google and they failed miserably. I hardly how a Gaikai-Sony partnership is profitable to them.
Still, they could probably hollywoodise their game studios and make money out of releasing big "tentpole" games.
I'm afraid Sony will pursue what's probably gonna be Apple's strategy and get owned.

Nintendo and Sony should make peace and work together once more. The dynamic of such an alliance would shake things up positively in the game industry.
 
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Micerider

Member
Well I would not put my trust in Gaikai for such rumor but if any of the current player is going to drop the console world, it would be MS.

Sony is too much of an hardware company to drop it like that, and I would not see them out of game before a major Loss (PS3 is certainly a disapointment, revenue-wise, but it's still afloat). The shock would be greater than the "Sega Crisis" back then, and much less understandable.

Nintendo is the only one who try to make a penny out of hardware and they have the Wii U in the pipes anyway.

MS on the other end...could stay in the business...but shifting it's perspective to an "XBOX service" for Windows 8 tablets/Topboxes/PC with accessories to get along to enhance the gaming orientation (Kinect 2, gamepads etc...).

That's the closest I could think of. But even so, I would not believe it yet.
 
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