Count Dookkake
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Saudi Athlete to Withdraw If Not Allowed to Wear Hijab.
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you want to start this debate? First of all, hijab doesn't literally mean veil in arabic. second, the ayah is specific to the wives of the prophet. third, there's no historical record of women wearing them at the time of the prophet. They were first introduced by Omar and for no reason other than to differentiate free women from slaves.
Meus Renaissance
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These are things more to which you should aspire to, not what is immediately expected of you. In secondary school, there was an incredibly devout Muslim girl in my class who would rarely look at another boy in the eyes when speaking to him. But people are human and do obviously look/stare; the point is to discourage you from doing so.
I've had this debate many times before and I'm aware of the counter arguments. I'm not interested in debating it again. What is evident, however, is to - either through cultural tradition or religious upbringing, the majority of Muslim women cover their hair in response to the "awrah" command. Others go further in covering themselves entirely whereas a minority do neither. Without going into a theological debate, it is more than fair to surmise that the Hijab is considered mandatory in the majority of the Muslim world
Making women wear certain clothing is way easier then not looking at stuff that makes you hot.
It's a part that is difficult to practice...but one should endeavour to follow.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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This makes TDKR worth it. Thank you.
RubxQub
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It is optional, no matter what you say. Just because it isn't optional TO HER doesn't mean it isn't optional in general. She chooses to be muslim...and with that decision comes consequences. In this case, she can't participate in the Olympic judo competition.
Tough cookies...she knew the rules before and went anyways.
No one should be forced to change their rules because of religion.
Dreams-Visions
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Very poor precedent.
K
kittens
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Awesome. I can't believe how many people in this thread are shitting on her for standing up to a bullshit, racist policy.
Sho_Nuff82
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Now do the gif of Bane dropping Batman's broken cowl, only with her head shopped on Bane's and her dropping a sports hijab instead.
Yeah, I'm going to hell.
Oh Pft racist, I think Christians are just a stupid about their shitty dogma.
soul creator
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LOOK AT HER SPEED! HER FEROCITY!
Ah, so it's a suggestion, not an order. Wouldn't that stand for the hijab too?
1: Read the OP (She hasn't stood up to anything).
2: Look up the definition of 'racist'
3: Reconsider your viewpoint.
The policy isn't racist, no jewelery, no head coverings, etc. It's like that so he opponent doesn't accidentally kill her. If she was allowed to wear it her competitors would need to be more careful than usual when fighting her putting them at a disadvantage. If they weren't then she might die. A blue belt has no place at the Olympics anyway.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
I think there is an alternative, the sport hijab, but I also think she is going to get his ass kicked.
Phoenician_Viking
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That was the first thing that came to my mind. She has no say in this whatsoever.
Withdraw. Rules are rules. There's a safety concern, so that's the end of it. If she wants to compete bad enough, she can take it off. Religion is religion, and sports are sports. If your god won't let you briefly bend a rule in order to accomplish a life-long goal, then...sucks for you. PEACE.
QuicheFontaine
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What?
No. The Niqab was worn by the wives of of the prophet (saw) and sahaba.
In terms of clothing the Quran never says 'tell your wives'. It says 'believing women'.
Ones that are in effect now, maybe. Christianity has fucked up traditions when it comes to women, as well.
RubxQub
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Racist? What the hell?! :lol
It's not racist...
The IOC have their rules...if it goes against their rules she should withdraw.
Now if later the IOC want to introduce a headgear allowance to allow muslim women to compete in Judo that's their own discussion to be had but it's not the time now to have such discussions as it's just not practical.
I would think that even if she said it directly, she still has no say in it because she would fear the repercussions of doing anything else. Lets not pretend if she fought without the Hijab everyone in Saudi Arabia would just casually shrug their shoulders.
Meus Renaissance
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Although those verses specifically refer to women, they are also used to require both genders to wear loose, baggy clothing that are not form fitting. A popular example of this are some Muslim soccer players who wear leg pants as it is Muslim tradition for them to cover to at least their knee.
Hell yeah, this is Saudi Arabia that we're talking about. She'd probably be stoned to death or something once people stop paying attention to her.
True enough, but Muslim men are not required to cover up their hair.
Daydream Sequence
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Which race is being targeted here? Don't throw around words you don't comprehend.
The Muslim race...oh wait
soul creator
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Islam is anti-skinny jeans?
Even a hardcore atheist like me can find common ground with that!
Metroid Killer
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The... Islamic race?
Wait, I'm confused about who I'm suppose to be racist against and it's only making my ignorance fuel rage against them turn deadly!
Count Dookkake
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lol.
So what if she shaved her head bald? Boom Problem fixed. No hair => No Hijab needed. Everybody is happy.
DragonSworne
Banned
Could she hide something underneath the headwrap that would harm the opponent, like spikes?
It's dangerous
It's dangerous
I raise you
Oh god... I'm dying here :lol
shadowsdarknes
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Heavyweight (+78 kg)
Saudi royalty is probably spitting out cognac from their noses out of laughter over this mismatch.
Meus Renaissance
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The reasoning behind it being hair is considered to be a defining element of a woman's "beauty" or attractiveness in many cultures, more so than it is for men. It is similar to the Jewish Tznit; married women being required to cover their hair. Look at paintings of Mary; she is always depicted in wearing a head scarf. The entire theme of these restrictions is to promote humility and modesty by lessening desires based on physical attraction.
There is nothing specific about the hair itself in the Quran admittedly, but at some point in history (possibly originating from Judaism) the covering of the hair became the main way women fulfilled this. Islam continued this theme of a "veil" and its connotations. Coincidentally, I believe the wedding veil originated from this theme.
What if I find hijab sexier than the hair it's covering?
Technosteve
Banned
Why don't they respect Japanese culture?
Yeah, they're the real racists in all this.
Count Dookkake
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Good question.
Metroid Killer
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What!? Do they not realize this is bigger than that!!
This is the SPIRIT OF A NINJA!!!
Dark Octave
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aren't the olympics in London?
Metroid Killer
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They aren't allowed to bring umbrellas into a fight.
Don't think I'm accusing just Islam of being sexist in it's dogma, but specifically restricting a woman from showing her hair regardless of excuse is sexist. You are forcing a woman to be modest in her beauty.
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