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Media Create Sales: Week 37, 2012 (Sep 10 - Sep 16)
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DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
Monster Hunter sales following TGS and in the run up to the Wii U should be interesting.
As long as it's confirmed that the existing MH game is the one that is usable with MH3G U (assuming so ~ patched maybe?) then i can see a potential big jump.
Especially now the game has hit 2980 yen new in a fair few places.
... that 800k gets wronger and wronger!
As long as it's confirmed that the existing MH game is the one that is usable with MH3G U (assuming so ~ patched maybe?) then i can see a potential big jump.
Especially now the game has hit 2980 yen new in a fair few places.
... that 800k gets wronger and wronger!
Monster Hunter sales following TGS and in the run up to the Wii U should be interesting.
As long as it's confirmed that the existing MH game is the one that is usable with MH3G U (assuming so ~ patched maybe?) then i can see a potential big jump.
Especially now the game has hit 2980 yen new in a fair few places.
... that 800k gets wronger and wronger!
The Wii U version is the same game with an added online mode. Given the seamless connectivity between Nintendo consoles and handhelds, I'm pretty sure the game the Japanese fans have on their 3DS now is the exact same game they'll use for cross-play.
grimshawish
Banned
Its not ridiculous and its not trolling. Its opinion based on evidence. Sometimes people might be missing some information ofc, but based on current evidence the Vita is in big trouble.
It'll have to be a first party title though (no third parties interested, why would they come to Vita? Not even Capcom came to Vita; third parties don't benefit from being a system seller) and Sony are not announcing anything.
Also, coming out with another set of new colours is really quite desperate, especially when your copying the colour scheme of your new big screen competitor as if to suck off of confused customers or because you have no idea why something is or isn't selling.
So what your saying is that Sony are 'hiding' a game (their not) that will sell the Vita. Thats madness, plus any 'big selling' software will go to the PS4 (interestingly Nintendo dodged this problem by making the 3DS 3D as it opens oppurtinites for games that wouldn't work as well on the WiiU) - or it should.
Meanwhile the PS3 only survived through MASSIVE losses; thats unsustainable and Sony have big debts to pay.
Greece would like to pay peoples pensions, but they can't. Sony can't pay for Vita at the current level of sales.
I'm here to talk about what's going to happen as well. The Vita is not going to be discontinued no matter how bad it gets. Anyone thinking that, by comparing the Vita to the Dreamcast and other failed platforms, are fooling themselves.
Sony giving up right now would be like a footy club, that made it to the World Cup, giving up because they're 2 goals down in the first 20 minutes of play. The road to the world cup for Sony started back in 1994. The upcoming generation is the one that truly matters, and they all know it because technology has finally caught up with ambition.
Come on now I'm not even a huge Sony fan and I could recognize that some of those replies were straight up trolling. There are those who are disappointed and upset, and who are expressing that disappointment (every week), and then there are those who are just making fun of the situation. I think I can tell the difference.
Sony giving up right now would be like a footy club, that made it to the World Cup, giving up because they're 2 goals down in the first 20 minutes of play. The road to the world cup for Sony started back in 1994. The upcoming generation is the one that truly matters, and they all know it because technology has finally caught up with ambition.
Come on now I'm not even a huge Sony fan and I could recognize that some of those replies were straight up trolling. There are those who are disappointed and upset, and who are expressing that disappointment (every week), and then there are those who are just making fun of the situation. I think I can tell the difference.
Despite your logical and realistic analysis, I still cling to the hope that the Vita will rise to be a successful and fruitful platform. I don't think it will challenge the 3DS, but I still hope that it will be a respectful platform with games that become classics that deserve nostalgia-think N64 or GameCube.
test_account
XP-39C²
It is reality. Right now it is selling maybe 120-130K a month worldwide. Worldwide.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Why do you think this?
The Vita is selling as much as the Dreamcast. The comparison is apt. Sony is not immune to retailers getting miffed and dropping their product. It is selling so poorly that this is a possibility. This is not hyperbole. This is not trolling. This is not bias. This is what is happening.
Unless you can actually make a reasonable argument that this perspective is wrong based on the evidence, then all you're doing is plugging your ears and trying to appeal with "but but but but!"
Gallows humor based on the bleak reality of the situation. Getting emotionally invested in the Vita at this point is just asking for trouble.
ThatObviousUser
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Monster Hunter sales following TGS and in the run up to the Wii U should be interesting.
As long as it's confirmed that the existing MH game is the one that is usable with MH3G U (assuming so ~ patched maybe?) then i can see a potential big jump.
Especially now the game has hit 2980 yen new in a fair few places.
... that 800k gets wronger and wronger!
The Japanese site says it's getting some kind of (eShop) app for save syncing I think, while Sven said it wouldn't be able to sync... who to trust.
I explained why.
me said:
Becoming emotionally invested in any platform is asking for trouble eventually. I am certainly not emotionally invested in the Vita if that is what you are implying.
Sven said it would have anything between the Japanese and US versions, nor from Wii to Wii U.
The eshop app would allow transfer between the already released 3DS game and the new Wii U game.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
A very poor simile is not self-explainable, nor evidence for your perspective.
Then why does the trolling bother you?
not_so_special
Banned
I see you invested emotionally in every "vita is doomed" thread ,but just on the other side of the fence.
dont worry son,the thing is not selling,you can sleep well tonight
The fact is that they're basically under 25 goals after the first 30 minutes. And many of their team quitted, and there's just three people playing. With the coach not giving a flying fuck about what to do.
ThatObviousUser
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3DS Ultimate will have save syncing built in, that's a difference from the Japanese 3DS version (which was already released.)
"There are some subtle differences in feature set of Ultimate (like the ability to transfer saves from 3DS to Wii U) from the original Japan release of 3G, but game content should be identical."
He also said this:
"Since MH3G will not be able to sync a save file with MH3G HD (the Japanese Wii U release), this is also not possible."
However the website says this:
"セーブデータの共有には、専用アプリのダウンロードが必要です。" (you have to download an application to sync save data.)
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
I'm very disappointed in you. You can do better than that.
not_so_special
Banned
maybe,who knows?
the whole mainline/gaiden bs that comes out of every non-multiplat game suddenly switching platforms, even if only for a brief period. Platform confusion or the idea that there may be a "complete edition" somewhere down the road, even if they insist one's only a spinoff. It may very well pay off (esp. since it'll be releasing during/immediately after the anime), but it seems to me like they're not taking care of what's becoming a reasonably profitable IP.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Not me, I'm part of the anti-Sony conspiracy on GAF. Don't tell anybody.
Last I saw it was October, could have been pushed though which would make me very sad. My KH 3DS and I are so fucking ready for Ultimate X throwing some Shinku Hadokens.
It's very, very hard to believe that when you're ignoring the objective evidence in favor of a nigh-religious conviction that things will improve.
You don't feel bad when someone keeps kicking something when its down even though it did something to accost them?
At first I had this feeling like "Who cares if your stuff gets kicked. You kicked our stuff even harder not that long ago." But now the kicking is so bad that I just want all of the kicking to stop lol.
I know that's impossible and I honestly don't expect anything to change. That doesn't mean I can't say how I feel.
This made me chuckle. I can see how some may think that it's this bad. I'm usually pretty decent at predicting trends in the industry. All I'm saying is that Sony will not give up on Vita for reasons that make sense to me. We shall see what happens.
Lol yeah I'm totally in shambles right now trying to hold back the tears. Oh Vita why have thou forsaken me!
with four people ejected the match is forfieted right?
God Eater 2, maybe, but when that's also slated for PSP, it's very debatable.
milanbaros
Member?
The vita is a massive failure despite what anyone might protest. The market has changed and there is no place for it. The only reason there is a place for the 3DS (albeit reduced) is because Nintendo has the biggest franchise names in gaming, by far.
electroplankton
Banned
As it is (i.e. with such line-up), Vita is barely alive. It's not a matter of competing anymore, but surviving in the market; the fact that just 3 weeks after Hatsune Miku, Vita already came back to its sales before the game had been released, is an indicator of how the market cares about the product: close to zero. It simply doesn't have games that might drive sales in a relevant way; it doesn't have the appeal to broaden the audience, or to being an healthy platform. Developers don't wanna take any risk on it (look how many multi with PSP and PS3!). That's tragic. Even more tragic than Dreamcast or GameCube, which actually had games, also from the hardeare house itself.
Father_Brain
Banned
These points keep getting (rightly) made again and again, and they just don't seem to get through to some people. I'm convinced that a certain contingent here will continue claiming that a turnaround is possible, if not inevitable, until the day Sony permanently ends production.
Colors, PS+ support and ports. That is it, nothing new and exclusive and the biggest title this fall was pushed to 2013.
So no, not unless Japan was holding out for Red or Blue.
We need to turn this topic into "how bad is Vita losing" sport analogies. At least then we can all laugh at the situation no matter how bad it becomes for Vita.
Vita is like a washed up Strikeforce mma champion going in against UFC LHW champ, getting hurt 7 days before the bout and being replaced by the PSP.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
I know SF isnt as popular in Japan as it us here, but was SFxT as poorly received there as it was here? I recall comments made during EVO about how thevJapanese players were the only ones who had bothered learning how to play the game.
Does the Vita sales pattern remind anybody of the 360? Acceptable hardware sales whenever a big exclusive got released, complete shit otherwise.
grimshawish
Banned
In terms of being discontinued, this isn't the dreamcast era. Sony could engage with the userbase online with some releases here and there. Then maybe a retail relaunch in a few years.
It would take a lot of effort, but I do still think Kaz is looking to make a central development house like Nintendo's EAD. Which would make this easier and more affordable than putting individual developers on projects.
Retailers could drop Vita. Over new year they might see low sales but still be selling the product. For many the question will be raised - "Will my next batch sell?" and so they will eventually stop ordering any more.
People can make fun of things and theres galow's humour someone else mentioned.
This is not trolling though. Someone trolling has to be looking to flip a thread, get replies because of something they've said but don't actually believe.
Basically someone looking for trouble. Many of the replies in these threads are just jokes between users and silliness. Trolling is a very different thing and is usually done to annoy/hurt others/cause trouble.
It would take a lot of effort, but I do still think Kaz is looking to make a central development house like Nintendo's EAD. Which would make this easier and more affordable than putting individual developers on projects.
Retailers could drop Vita. Over new year they might see low sales but still be selling the product. For many the question will be raised - "Will my next batch sell?" and so they will eventually stop ordering any more.
People can make fun of things and theres galow's humour someone else mentioned.
This is not trolling though. Someone trolling has to be looking to flip a thread, get replies because of something they've said but don't actually believe.
Basically someone looking for trouble. Many of the replies in these threads are just jokes between users and silliness. Trolling is a very different thing and is usually done to annoy/hurt others/cause trouble.
Thanks ... Vita sales are gonna be absymal this Q then :\
not_so_special
Banned
stop man,I'll die laughing
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
On a serious note, what on earth do you expect to happen when you publicly try to paint someone as biased? I mean, did you think I'm going to say, "ouch you got me!" without sarcasm?
It's stupid because it shuts down discussion entirely. The only response I have is "no I'm not" or "prove it," both of which are pointless. If you think I'm full of it, break down my rhetoric and discount my evidence instead of trying to make it seem like I'm on a particular side of the fence.
I personally think that the Vita (like PSP and the HD twins) will have a second wind a few years after launch.
The masses have proven that price needs to be at an acceptable level. As does power; the Wii and DS were initially successes because they were not noticeably horrendous to the public at large. When prices came down and power standards rose over time the HD twins had success as did the PSP in Japan. The Vita could well follow this pattern. Sure - it isn't ideal; but it looks like a very plausible scenario.
The masses have proven that price needs to be at an acceptable level. As does power; the Wii and DS were initially successes because they were not noticeably horrendous to the public at large. When prices came down and power standards rose over time the HD twins had success as did the PSP in Japan. The Vita could well follow this pattern. Sure - it isn't ideal; but it looks like a very plausible scenario.
i think it's doubtful it will have meaningful support a few years after launch.
the hd twins benefited from needing each other after the ps3's disastrous start when developers had already banked hard on the successor to the ps2 being the obvious winner of the generation before it even started.
the psp was dead in america after 2007, and never recovered. like the ps3/360 situation, there were a lot of games that had been in the making for a while though, and the crisis core + 2000 bumped sales in japan to reasonable levels again. then monster hunter did something no one ever expected.
it's possible the vita could have success off something people aren't expecting to do well, like a brain age sort of thing, but it's clear now that there was no one banking on this thing to do well. there's no long-in-production big-name franchise on its way (in japan at least). if the machine doesn't have a good holiday, then it's pretty much done.
Sammy Samusu
Member
@Andrex - Isn't he (Sven) talking about imported copies?
I agree it's possible to make a comeback, but PSP and PS3 are not similar to Vita.
Notto disu shitto agen.
I agree it's possible to make a comeback, but PSP and PS3 are not similar to Vita.
Lord_Byron28
Member
Why is Pokemon Mystery Dungeon at 40%? The past two iterations sold 1.5 million, 2 million if you count the 3rd iteration released.
Well the "trolling" in sales topics are usually a catch 22. If you speak the truth then you aren't trolling. Saying that the Vita is more than likely doomed, does appear to be true given it's performance so far. But some of the people who post in here know that the way in which they are expressing the truth is hurting the feelings of those who are "emotionally invested in the Vita". In fact that is what some of them are probably hoping for. That's fine.
Just like I know how some members sit in these topics just waiting for someone to say something, about the Vita's performance, that is anything other than "It's most likely doomed" so that they can write a dissertation of why it is doomed. Sony fans did the same thing to 3DS buyers last year, when 3DS was doing badly. Had they known that 1 year later the Vita would be selling much worse, they might have been a little more understanding lol.
Again, I'm not trying to stop this cycle, and maybe I'm wrong for even pointing these things out.
Lord_Byron28
Member
Not too mention PSP/HD twins already had comitted support before it launched. Developers already had engines, games and money invested in the platform from GTA to MGS and FF at launch. This time things are different and developers haven't even comitted basic/minimal support. Developer reception just wasn't there. Japanese 3rd party developers are already spread thin enough they can't afford to take risks developing and investing in a platform with poor support.
The thing is the Dreamcast at least had Sonic and Resident Evil. The Vita doesn't have or has had anything with that selling power.
However, if you're correct and Sony is investing a lot into internal development the Vita could be a GCN with lots of great niche 1st party developers.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
We're in this thread to talk about sales and make conclusions about those sales. It's not about the conclusions themselves, it's about whether or not your conclusions make sense with what we know. If it doesn't, you'll get the dissertation, especially if you ignore the data outright.
And rightfully so! Nintendo's actions make perfect sense in retrospect, but 3DS' situation in 2011 wasn't great. Vita's is even worse, because it doesn't have an equivalent to Nintendo's first party games. There was a prolonged discussion in last weeks' SalesAge thread about how the entire industry isn't so hot, and that is something nobody wants, but it's happening.